AAS: wait til gains stop naturally?

[casualbb]

The prevailing mentality, at least on the training board, is that one should wait til one hits one's genetic plateau before using AAS.

My question is, why?

Well one answer is that a lifter should be experienced and know his or her body's response to diet and training before considering use. This I wholeheartedly agree with. You need to know how to maximize your growth while on cycle, you need to know how to use responsibly, and you need enough natural growth to appreciate AAS's effects

But, given those things, who cares whether or not someone waits until they naturally plateau? This can take many many years, and bigger you get the harder it is to gain, even if you're not near the limit.

If natural training isn't fulfilling your goals, then why not use?

I get the sense that people here are worried that the sooner someone uses, the sooner they can catch up to the resident juice veterans. Kind of a "no fair, I waited a while to use and so should they" mentality. Yet at the same time there are a lot of juicers here who aren't that big; obviously they didn't wait until they hit their natural potential before using.

It strikes me as hypocritical.

Please do respond, I want to hear people's opinions.

 

[Akahpellah02]

i do not use because i am 17, people think that you need to weight til ur like around 23 so your body is fully develop... young people have enuff testerone to make great gains, and sometimes people can grow greatly from just have good diet and proper training at a young age... i am very tempted to use, but my body grows great without, and then when i feel i can't go further maybe ill run a cycle later in life... u jus need to be patient i guess...

 

[Izzman]

Well I agree with you somewhat, people shouldn't go on just for the sake of going on, one should know how their own body works before even considering a cycle. I started juicing at around 1 year and 1 month of religious training (trained on and off for 3-4 years) and I am definite I know what my body doesnt and does respond to, training and diet-wise. So, if you do know what your doing and are going to make sure you maximize growth w/AAS by spot-on diet and training, then why wait till naturally plateauing? That could take years! And the gains diminish as you get bigger naturally while AAS provide a much welcomed boost.

 

[Slyder190]

The longer you stay natural and keep striving, reading, and learining, the better you will learn to train, which will equal proper training, good gains, and a solid base of knowledge and knowing your own body. AAS can come into play after this, but bulking with AAS isn't my thin anymore. But then again, we only live once, so we go for it all as soon as we can. Let's be honest. Do what you think is right for you.

 

[dr0832]

I have no desire to go anywhere past my natural limit. The reason is A. because I am not looking to become a freak, and B. because you just shrink back down to your natural limit anywhere through the means of the set point theory, so theres no point in my opinion to do that. And C. because I am not a competeing bodybuilder. For these reasons it makes no sense to listen to what most of these guys are saying about not juicing. Its just their opinion on the matter. Since I know how to properly train, know how my body works, have my diet in check, have no underlying health concerns, and am done growing, theres no reason why someone should tell me I shouldn't juice. This is especially true because many of these guys started juicing young anyway.

 

[jerkbox]

If natural training isn't fulfilling your goals, then why not use?


basically, i see it as an individual decision.....i think you can continue gaining naturally for many years.

i wouldnt recomend anyone under 25 use.....21 at the very very earliest.


myself, I waited till I was 27.....it just seemed to be the time. i was very unhappy with my progression naturally, and i had a decent physique in my opinion, and i think it helped me make the most out of my gear use. I am having great results on low doses. (i am 28 and finishing up my second cycle)


and i would also say, learn as much as possible about gear. I read for over a year before i ever touched the stuff.

 

[majutsu]

Do it casual! Do it now! You know you want to! Why wait for slow steady gains. Slow gains are for suckers! You can put on 15 pounds of muscle in 2 months with your training knowledge+AAS and recover just fine. It's all waiting on the dark side Muhahahaha!


(That above opinion was purely facetious and from the mouth of a fictitious persona I created solely for dramatic purposes.)

 

[jago25_98]

You do need a base because they say that by training for about 5 years first that gets your receptor sites ready

 

[NJjuice22]

it all depends on the individual and their genetics and goals..i have friends at the gym with great genes that look great that ask me if they should use gear, i tell them "NOOOO"...your making awesome progress even though alot slower, those slow steady clean lean gains amount to be much better considering you dont have to worry about losing them if you were to stop gear like people who use have to . on the other hand, their are people with horrible genetics that no matter what they do cant put good amounts of muscle on..for them steroids is there only hope to temporarily look how they want to look...i say temporarily because i dont care how good your "pct" is , those gains are going bye bye eventually.

 

[psychedout]

B. because you just shrink back down to your natural limit anywhere through the means of the set point theory.

This actually is not true.

Huck wrote an article that stated that AAS can change your genetic potential.

Ill go find it.