A thread about the TSUNAMI (a different kind of thread though)

[Maverick]

why should we donate money when there are homeless and starving people in our own countries ? lets clean up our own country before helping anybody else

also, if this happened in the USA or Canada these same countries would probably celebrating....... they would not give money to us or trying to raise money either.

Why do we have always have to help out other countries just because we are successful, enough with the guilt !!!

I feel for the children and women but enough already !!! This is getting out of hand, just another media frenzy !!!

 

[H_T_]

i'm sure you're right about the celebrating, but our country set a precedence a long time ago as far as our aid policies go.

 

[HumorMe]

Look at it from their view and then decide....

 

[Maverick]

I could use any bad photo and say that........... all im saying that if the table were turned, it would be a different story.

and that photo looks photoshopped

 

[Spartacus]

the hopeless,er homeless in this country are generally the victims of thier own poor decisions,and/or poor work effort
yes they are poor
and should remain so
we should concern ourselves with preventing them from urinating where they wish
much like a dog
and lest you jump my case
my family has owned a business for a dozen years
employed at least as many "hardship" cases
nary a one has been worth a coin
and we're quite kind
theft,lying,trouble with other employees,not to mention "work" not worthy of even minimum wage

 

[Spartacus]

and not long after,the unemployment bureau will be sending me mail
and child support questionaires
and court mandated garnishment
they plead their "i need a job,please give me a job,I work good" case
work well for a week
figure out how to jerk off and steal and fuck off
get away with as much as they can
then they don't care when you let em' go,because the paperwork is gonna catch up to them

 

[Razorguns]

what he's saying is:

They're DEAD.

What use is the money now. Not to mention, they were homeless to begin with. So what are all these billions going to do?

It's going to do directly into the pockets of the governments, middle-class so they can build their resorts, and the rich and foreigners who lost relatives.

how much did the world give to the 9/11 fund may i ask? What country donated $200 million to us? Oh yeah, we're rich and no need to give us money.

 

[Maverick]

exactly, so nice to hear somepeople not afraid to speak thier minds....... I am tired of hearing spineless saps just going along with what they are fed in the media, politically correct bullshit.

 

[Maverick]

originally posted by 4everhung

the hopeless,er homeless in this country are generally the victims of thier own poor decisions,and/or poor work effort

AMEEEEEEENNNNNNN

 

[danielson]

dont pretend you even give a shit about the people starving in your own country as in the same breath you would probably bemoan those who survive on welfare. This is a way of justifying to yourself why you will not help people when the appeals come on. even $1 would help

using the 'they would be celebrating arguement' is just another way of dehumanising them so your opinion on them is more acceptable to you. The people of Iran held a candlelight vigil all through the night mere hours after 9-11. they were in their thousands

the media chose to show library footage of palestinian women dancing in the street. can you really say that every country afflicted (some of whom are your allies and industrialised) would be celebrating?

ultimatley you dont want to give them anything because they come from south-east asian countries. too far away...

 

[Deterass]

what he's saying is:

They're DEAD.

What use is the money now. Not to mention, they were homeless to begin with. So what are all these billions going to do?

.

Uh.......how about rebuild hospitals,schools and their homes maybe.Help the millions injured.Restore clean drinking water.
BTW most of them weren't homeless to begin with.

 

[gymrat]

how dare we think about hleping others in countries that are in terms of economics, decades behind north america.

To say we should donate money to the homless in our own countries almost sounds like a cliche(sp). There are countless governmental and NOG groups working around the clock to help the poor and homeless. The fact of the matter is, there is always going to be homeless people as long as we have currency.

 

[Deterass]

why should we donate money when there are homeless and starving people in our own countries ? lets clean up our own country before helping anybody else

!!!

Starving people??


When is the last time you heard or saw on the news that an American or Canadian actually starved to death.I'm not sure about Canada but it definatley doesn't happen in America.

As far as the homeless goes,I agree with 4everhung's post.

 

[Gambino]

using the 'they would be celebrating arguement' is just another way of dehumanising them so your opinion on them is more acceptable to you. The people of Iran held a candlelight vigil all through the night mere hours after 9-11. they were in their thousands

the media chose to show library footage of palestinian women dancing in the street. can you really say that every country afflicted (some of whom are your allies and industrialised) would be celebrating?

ultimatley you dont want to give them anything because they come from south-east asian countries. too far away...

Danielson you're a smart bor and I always agree with your well though out posts. I think on this issue you are a bit fogged over. You know the Iran vigil was a rarity in the middle east. I never saw much sympthay in the Arab media around 9/11, mostly jewish consipracy bullshit. The general attitude was "I told you so."

What's ironic about helping Indoneshia (sp) is how much they protest America and our way of life. Remember the Bali bombing? Just a few weeks ago this country was talking shit about us, now they are demanding money

 

[danielson]

Danielson you're a smart bor and I always agree with your well though out posts. I think on this issue you are a bit fogged over. You know the Iran vigil was a rarity in the middle east. I never saw much sympthay in the Arab media around 9/11, mostly jewish consipracy bullshit. The general attitude was "I told you so."

What's ironic about helping Indoneshia (sp) is how much they protest America and our way of life. Remember the Bali bombing? Just a few weeks ago this country was talking shit about us, now they are demanding money

yeah, i would have to agree with you in that most of the arab and muslim world either didnt express much sympathy or gave each other a high 5 post 9-11...

what i found hillarious (and yet so sad) is that on TV they were showing US marines helping out indonesians and the they cut to a shot of some dude with an Osama T-shirt on....lol what a chode. even if I only had that shirt i would do the courtesy of turning it inside out. If I were a marine i'd spit in that fucks face, but i guess they are professionals

anyway I guess I agree with you that Indonesia would have fallen into the america hating category with lots of its uneducated population. This kind of leads from another thread but even with their hate, Sri Lanka, India and the Maldives were all badly hit, yet were all allies of the US. So they dont deserve to be lumped in with the 'bad apple' which is Indonesia, which does bug me somewhat because their friendship is being unrecognised by others

I honestly have to say I feel sorry for the indonesians and especially the christians being persecuted there but it grates me that even with the US helping out SO much there they have refused assistance just because who it comes from, when they so obviously need it. its the others being lumped in that made me post though

 

[Lestat]

that picture is insane... how did the cameraman survive...

photoshop?

 

[Razorguns]

Why are we building HOSPITALS for them? Do we build hospitals for millions of africans slaughtered by rebels? What about the millions of poor indians on the other side of the country, JUST as poor, but didn't get affected by the tsunami. They don't deserve a hospital? What's the difference between the two?

Go in. Treat the injured. Help clean up some of the mess. It's not our job to build a First World INFRASTRUCTURE for them. We're not in the business of rebuilding other people's societies. They'll just be used by the elite and ethnic majorities later on anyways after the poor get pushed out. Someone must be high if they think the poor will get free medical care 15 years from now from these new facilities.

Let their government, which is usually more concerned with their elite and business community and military, take care of them. It's their damn fault anyways. Scringing out on a tsunami warning system preferring to buy presidential planes instead.

 

[Gambino]

got to be

 

[HumorMe]

that picture is insane... how did the cameraman survive...

photoshop?

I found that picture on a website and since then a disclaimer has been posted saying the picture was not the tsunami that hit that area but of something in China that happened.

Here's the website...
http://coreykoberg.com/Tsunami/

 

[NJjuice22]

Look at it from their view and then decide....

PLEASE tell me that picture is fake...look at the little girl on the dads shoulders.. ...it has to be fake, they all have smiles on their face if you look up close.

 

[danielson]

Why are we building HOSPITALS for them? Do we build hospitals for millions of africans slaughtered by rebels? What about the millions of poor indians on the other side of the country, JUST as poor, but didn't get affected by the tsunami. They don't deserve a hospital? What's the difference between the two?

Go in. Treat the injured. Help clean up some of the mess. It's not our job to build a First World INFRASTRUCTURE for them. We're not in the business of rebuilding other people's societies. They'll just be used by the elite and ethnic majorities later on anyways after the poor get pushed out. Someone must be high if they think the poor will get free medical care 15 years from now from these new facilities.

Let their government, which is usually more concerned with their elite and business community and military, take care of them. It's their damn fault anyways. Scringing out on a tsunami warning system preferring to buy presidential planes instead.

you can;t treat patients in a tent...not that many. the people there are going to be dying and suffering from disease for a long time...the whole are and all its infrastructure and crops were washed away and now they just have monsoon weather to deal with.

The hospital is a base of operation from where they can treat their patients, and actually have somewhere to put them which is warm and not infectious. So they can recooperate (remember its not like they have a home to go too)

and i think the point is by us holding our hands up and saying 'let them take care of it' wont work because its obvious it either wont happen or because they are simply incapable of doing it on their own

 

[Razorguns]

Yep. All i can say is -- if i ever get attacked by a 20-foot tsunami, i sure hope i'm as happy and giddy as those japanese tourists!!

 

[Gambino]

it looks like some of them are smiling...


chinese bullrun?

 

[Mr. Black]

, they all have smiles on their face if you look up close.

Good eye

 

[danielson]

china did get hit by a tsunami recently but not as severe

 

[manny78]

the hopeless,er homeless in this country are generally the victims of thier own poor decisions,and/or poor work effort

Same could be said about those who died in their shithole country. They took poor decisions too (and their ancestors mostly).

I have no problem with people giving money to the Red Cross for the Tsunami's victims. But I do I have big problem with my tax money being used in some foreign dump. I pay taxes to have our roads fixed, a quality healthcare system (which obviously never happened)....

 

[Spartacus]

Same could be said about those who died in their shithole country. They took poor decisions too (and their ancestors mostly).

I have no problem with people giving money to the Red Cross for the Tsunami's victims. But I do I have big problem with my tax money being used in some foreign dump. I pay taxes to have our roads fixed, a quality healthcare system (which obviously never happened)....

For this reason we gave to the Red Cross for it's conceivable that the "bulk" of the gift will actually be delivered to those in need. Never mind if in those areas afflicted, if some members of the populace were "freeloaders". So perhaps some "freeloaders" will live to "freeload" another day.If those 98% that are truly in need of assistance for an unforseeable disaster recieve some basic relief. I can live with the knowledge that a few undeserving might have gotten a cup of tea.

 

[WolfPack Charlie]

They were probably laughing out of desperation. Some times when things are gong really shitty, I find myself laughing at myself wondering how the fuck I got in that situation and how laughing is the only way to stay sane. Or in their case, fuck it, might as well laugh my out of this world, at least then everyone knows it didn't get the last laugh!