A dose of reality from a pro.

[DOGGCRAPP]

Nelson Montana::: As I'm sure you know, just because someone has experience, or even if they're big and strong, or even if they're pros, doesn't mean they know anything about the most efficaceous use of anabolics.

Doggcrapp:: and just because someone (Nelson Montana)writes articles in Musclemag Intl yet has been lifting over 20 years yet still weighs (what is it Nelson?) 158lbs? that sure as hell doesnt mean he is the man to go to for answers on how to build muscle. Nelson do you know Ive gained (160lbs) from 137lbs at 19 to 297lbs at 34 years old today--that muscle gain is more than you weigh in bodyweight!!! As this is the third time Ive seen you put me down online with no reply from me--sorry this time your going to get one. If you weigh a buck 58 or so today what the hell did you weigh when you started lifting long ago? 145?

Nelson Montana::Some of the comments made in the original thread are capricious while others are just plain dumb.

Doggcrapp:: this coming from a "know it all" writer who pens articles like "Buddy Training" and other useless trash filler articles. Many years ago you submitted articles to me to print and I wouldnt print them because your articles are trash.
I know of two other muscle magazines who wont print your articles because they find them useless drivel also. Jason at AE will not print your articles anymore because they have no merit as far as gaining muscle and he had to stop the nonsense of you throwing him 3 "buddy training" articles a week.
Because Im 300lbs doesnt make me the all knowing guru and I would never be foolish enough to think that ever(as a true worker of this game is continually learning)-and I will learn from many other profound thinkers in this sport and by doing my own research----but I would never sit back on my throne like you continually do and bash others if you cant even make yourself at least the best bodybuilder in the step class section of your gym.

Nelson Montana::If you really knew how to build the ultimate body in less than six months time, would you keep paying for more? More supplements? More personal training? More courses? More magazines? What if you knew the truth? What if someone were to blow the whistle on the con artists within the bodybuilding world and at the same time, share with you the secrets for packing on thick, dense muscle - fast! And burning off every last ounce of your bodyfat! Sounds unthinkable right? Well, the unthinkable has just happened. Read more...

Doggcrapp:: well if you cant change yourself and I see nobody else yelling Nelson Montana's name as someone who dramatically made them bigger---I think I will do the same thing I do when I come across one of your articles in Musclemag---look at the photos and go on to the next article. Im not cocky of who I am as a bodybuilder and Im not cocky on what I know but I am extremely confident that I can dramatically change people and I have a list of trainees on Animals post and in real life to prove it.......its getting late and I suppose I should let you get back to writing about "Mowing lawns for huge calf growth" for your next musclemag article..............for this forum Im sorry you have seen me post as less a gentleman than I am but this guy has had a bug up his ass for me for a long time and I felt it was time to reply "WITH THE TRUTH"[email protected]

 

[panerai]

Doggcrapp, I have to desagree with you about your way of cycling being any healthier for HPTA then just keep increasing dosages through the whole year.
It's a time factor, not dosage what is important for HPTA recovery, your cruising theory doesn't make any sense. As soon as feedback mechanism tells your body that it doesn't need to produce testosteron anymore the process of athrophy triggered, and it doesn't matter for your body how much testosteron you inject, 300mg/week or 3000mg/week. Recovery will depend on how long your body stays fooled, not on how high with dosages you went.
I thought it's pretty obvious...

 

[Nelson Montana]

DOGGCRAP: First off, I don't know who you are, and don't recall putting you down. If you wrote that original article I agree with some points and not others. (This is alsothe first time I recall seeing your name ) Why the stick up your ass?

You obviously don't know what you're talking about in regard to my work. Buddy training? When did I do an article on that?

This isn't any of your business but since you brought up Jason at AE, here's the scoop. He hired me to write for him, but a few weeks into the agreement, his budget wasnt what he had hoped so he asked me to take a cut in pay -- which I refused. No hard feelings. We went our seperate ways. Yet you decide it's okay to concoct a story and present it to the members of the forum, which says something about your credibility no doubt.

I submitted articles to you and you turned them down??? PM me and refresh my memory.
I weigh 190 with 9% bf year round and that's exactly where I want to be. I'm sure you're proud of the fact that you weigh 295 pounds, as if mega-juicing and eating were some great talents. You must think I'm jealous of you. As hard to accept as it may be, I would never want to weigh that much. Most guys that weight just look stupid IMO.

I don't write for guys like you so you don't have to read my material. (Which you haven't obviously.) I write for hardgainer guys -- guys who want to make the most of their natural ability and to use steroids in the safest manner possible. If that doesn't suit you, fine. But get your facts straight before mouthing off on something in which you're completely clueless.

 

[Frackal]

Welcome Doggrap - It is very good to see you on board. I hope it is not a fleeting glimpse

 

[Axe]

Welcome Doggrap - It is very good to see you on board. I hope it is not a fleeting glimpse

No doubt !!! I hope you stick around.

 

[champion]

yes to above

 

[Dr.Equinstein]

Likewise

 

[DOGGCRAPP]

In Reply

Panerai:oggcrapp, I have to desagree with you about your way of cycling being any healthier for HPTA then just keep increasing dosages through the whole year.
It's a time factor, not dosage what is important for HPTA recovery, your cruising theory doesn't make any sense. As soon as feedback mechanism tells your body that it doesn't need to produce testosteron anymore the process of athrophy triggered, and it doesn't matter for your body how much testosteron you inject, 300mg/week or 3000mg/week. Recovery will depend on how long your body stays fooled, not on how high with dosages you went.
I thought it's pretty obvious...

Doggcrapp:: panerai you are suggesting that because someone has 200mg of testosterone coursing thru their body the result will be rendering Arimidex, Clomid, Hcg, and Nolvadex completely useless and inert? Then someone better tell every HRT patient and Aids patient in the country that unless they have absolutely zero testosterone in the body that any ancillary meds will not work. Do I believe that if your natural testosterone levels are at 750 before cycle that after 2 weeks of cruising it will be 750 again? hell no. But Im working with signals to the hypothalamus, testes, lower estrogen feedback loops here to make sure the HPTA remains functioning to an extent. I will tell you this---16-24 weeks of continuous blasting of "super supplements" like alot of people do (but lie about the length) will create such a lag time---that the standard 2 weeks of clomid and accompanying antiestrogen will be nothing but a delay to the inevitable---which is extreme lethargy, emotional, high estrogen, appetite loss, fat gain, colds and sickness, joint pains, injuries, and extreme muscle mass loss. Im trying to come up with a reasonable plan to counteract that huge problem. Sadly alot of people are staying on year round now and the majority of top amateurs and pros have been doing that for years. No one fesses up to it though. When is the last time you saw a competitive pro or top amateur show up someplace during the year and look small soft or out of shape? Fifteen to twentyfive guest appearances a year, 10 guest posings, 2 competitions, photo shoots, being in a supplement companies booth at contests---you tell me when these guys are getting off--because in my mind thats at least 37 weekends right there spread out over the year. The bottom line is - Ive seen the Minto studies and know that exog compounds shut down the HPTA pronto--but I dont believe that that you must have absolute zero testosterone levels for ancillary drugs to work or small amounts of testosterone will render arimidex nolvadex hcg and clomid completely useless in HPTA impairment.

 

[DOGGCRAPP]

In Reply

Nelson Montana::This isn't any of your business but since you brought up Jason at AE, here's the scoop. He hired me to write for him, but a few weeks into the agreement, his budget wasnt what he had hoped so he asked me to take a cut in pay -- which I refused. No hard feelings. We went our seperate ways. Yet you decide it's okay to concoct a story and present it to the members of the forum, which says something about your credibility no doubt.

Doggcrapp::well Jason is a good freind of mine so you might want to try again on this one. HIs budget was fine, the problem was that you were throwing him 3 articles a week that were completely ridiculous.

Nelson Montana:: I weigh 190 with 9% bf year round and that's exactly where I want to be. I'm sure you're proud of the fact that you weigh 295 pounds, as if mega-juicing and eating were some great talents. You must think I'm jealous of you. As hard to accept as it may be, I would never want to weigh that much. Most guys that weight just look stupid IMO.

Doggcrapp:: Nope there was no mega-juicing at all in there (not even close) but you do have me on the mega eating part. I use food as my chief anabolic. I dont think your jealous of me at all and I wouldnt want you to be. Im no pro and I dont put myself over anyone on this planet in any context. I surely dont look down on someone for not being a bodybuilder or not being overly large. I WILL reply to someone who repeatedly puts down others in the same field yet looks upon himself as the "all knowing god of muscle".....(which he isnt even close)

Nelson Montana::I don't write for guys like you so you don't have to read my material. (Which you haven't obviously.) I write for hardgainer guys -- guys who want to make the most of their natural ability and to use steroids in the safest manner possible. If that doesn't suit you, fine. But get your facts straight before mouthing off on something in which you're completely clueless

Doggcrapp:: Ive skimmed your articles and since you find it easy to critique my writings Ill let you know where I disagree on yours. Ive seen you repeatedly state that strength has nothing to do with size. ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT. The largest bodybuilders on this planet are also the most brutally training bodybuilders using the heaviest weights. Francois, Yates, Coleman, Nassir, etc etc etc....The only times you will see that strength isnt size is in cases of elite superior muscle building genetics like Wheeler and Dillett (who if they trained heavy would be even larger) and in powerlifters who curb back food intake to stay in weight classes. So unless someone is on par with Dillett genetically (probaly 50 people on this earth) you better put your nose to the grindstone and use progressively heavier weights to go to your genetic size limits. You seem to have forgotten the whole concept of muscle size adaption Nelson....If heavier and progressive weights meant nothing Ronnie Coleman and Dorian Yates could of stayed at that 135lb bench and 185lb squat and never lifted heavier---and won Olympias.
As far as writing for hardgainers who the hell do you think Im training? mesomorphs? Ive been training people online since August--400 dollars for two months with me...I havent trained one person yet online since August that hasnt gained at least 15lbs to 28lbs in 2 months with me (at roughly the same bodyfat or lower bodyfat)--this includes both natural and enhanced bodybuilders...about a 50/50 mix so far. In real life I havent trained one person who hasnt gained 50lbs with me. And in doing that unlike you I dont have to put down other trainers, writers or other concepts to make myself look better. I have my own definite opinions on what works and a slew of people that IM turning into the best bodybuilders in their [email protected]

 

[Dr.Equinstein]

read the entire article all the answers to questions are in there....... you can tune the cycle as you wish 6weeks on 8,12 weeks whatever then you can also tune your "cruising" 2 off 4 off 3 months off whatever. AND he is NOT trying to "recover" he is trying to stay as close to normal as one who is always on can.........

Is this correct Doggcrap? Can you tune the cycle and "cruising" period to your own personalized version?