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A dose of reality from a pro.
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OVRTrainer
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WHAT!!! YOU'VE GOT TO BE FUCKING KIDDING ME...
Although the theory behind what this guy is saying has some merit, namely the benefits of testosterone for building mass, as opposed to all the "designer" drugs that are available.
HOWEVER...his cycle is rediculous. First of all, he intends his cycles to only last 4 wks. Well unless he's using Test Prop or Suspension, he'd be missing out on the best part of the gains depending on the esterfication of the testosterone. Also, what kind of Equipoise does he suggest would give you quality gains in 4 wks, as the last time I checked Boldenone undecyclenate has a very long acting ester.
Secondly...you CANNOT recover your natural testosterone production while using 300-400mg of test no matter how much arimidex and clomid you use! His two weeks OFF are merely two weeks at a lower doseage, which as previously mentioned, would be the time when he would likely be making his best gains.
In actuality, you can continue to make gains on this cycle as you're never actually "coming off" during the two weeks, and the second "4 week cycle" should actually be very good. In summarily, please do not believe that this is good way to cycle. I am surprised that someone who claims to have so much "experience" with AAS would be so misinformed with regard to these rudimentary aspects of cycling. Just my .02!
Although the theory behind what this guy is saying has some merit, namely the benefits of testosterone for building mass, as opposed to all the "designer" drugs that are available.
HOWEVER...his cycle is rediculous. First of all, he intends his cycles to only last 4 wks. Well unless he's using Test Prop or Suspension, he'd be missing out on the best part of the gains depending on the esterfication of the testosterone. Also, what kind of Equipoise does he suggest would give you quality gains in 4 wks, as the last time I checked Boldenone undecyclenate has a very long acting ester.
Secondly...you CANNOT recover your natural testosterone production while using 300-400mg of test no matter how much arimidex and clomid you use! His two weeks OFF are merely two weeks at a lower doseage, which as previously mentioned, would be the time when he would likely be making his best gains.
In actuality, you can continue to make gains on this cycle as you're never actually "coming off" during the two weeks, and the second "4 week cycle" should actually be very good. In summarily, please do not believe that this is good way to cycle. I am surprised that someone who claims to have so much "experience" with AAS would be so misinformed with regard to these rudimentary aspects of cycling. Just my .02!
Overtrainer: As I'm sure you know, just because someone has experience, or even if they're big and strong, or even if they're pros, doesn't mean they know anything about the most efficaceous use of anabolics.
Some of the comments made in the original thread are capricious while others are just plain dumb.
But he does make one excellent point:
All this exotic stacking is complete nonsense. That's why I lose my patience sometimes when guys want to know if 1400mgs of cyp with 700mgs of deca and 400mgs of EQ with 100mgs of d-bol a day is better than 1300mgs of enanthate with 800mgs of Primo and 400mgs of EQ with 100mgs of Anadrol a day. It's so fucking ridiculous. What's even more ridiculous is the fact that you have people debating the difference.
It comes down to this:
All steroids are based on the testosterone molecule.
If you want a more favorable anabolic/androgen ratio all you need to do is add another drug which is more anabolic. That's it. There are no "Deca" receptors and no "Cypionate" receptors. Most stacks are just a bunch of the same stuff.
And GH sucks.
Some of the comments made in the original thread are capricious while others are just plain dumb.
But he does make one excellent point:
All this exotic stacking is complete nonsense. That's why I lose my patience sometimes when guys want to know if 1400mgs of cyp with 700mgs of deca and 400mgs of EQ with 100mgs of d-bol a day is better than 1300mgs of enanthate with 800mgs of Primo and 400mgs of EQ with 100mgs of Anadrol a day. It's so fucking ridiculous. What's even more ridiculous is the fact that you have people debating the difference.
It comes down to this:
All steroids are based on the testosterone molecule.
If you want a more favorable anabolic/androgen ratio all you need to do is add another drug which is more anabolic. That's it. There are no "Deca" receptors and no "Cypionate" receptors. Most stacks are just a bunch of the same stuff.
And GH sucks.
Dr.Equinstein
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Bump..for those that can shed light into this. I was over on Animals site and read till page 23-25 i believe of this thread. What I don't understand is why can't someone cycle regularly 8-12 weeks, use test in their cycle and just lower the dose for a "break" of 2-4 weeks after the cycle and then start back again with something else. That is a lot of damn test to buy IMO.
Or what about using one compound say fina for example..run it 6,8,10 weeks whatever. A week before its finished say of a scheduled 10 weeker..start at week 8/9 on test and continue with it during the "break". Would it be ok to start on fina again after the break or does test have to be used nonstop??
Or what about using one compound say fina for example..run it 6,8,10 weeks whatever. A week before its finished say of a scheduled 10 weeker..start at week 8/9 on test and continue with it during the "break". Would it be ok to start on fina again after the break or does test have to be used nonstop??
read the entire article all the answers to questions are in there....... you can tune the cycle as you wish 6weeks on 8,12 weeks whatever then you can also tune your "cruising" 2 off 4 off 3 months off whatever. AND he is NOT trying to "recover" he is trying to stay as close to normal as one who is always on can.........
and OVRTrainer the long acting esters would work...think about it you use say enth at 800 for 4 weeks tehn cruise with it at 300 your still using it reaping benefits just not continous high dose.......as for eq or deca or what not you can always extend your on time......The main thing stressed with his cycle thoery is it is not a cycle it is a form of continous use while trying to stay somewhat normal in your own functions.
Thanks for the information. Very good post, there are so many different outlooks on this subject. What I have seen in terms of usage, time on/off has had a lot to do with ones individual goals.
I personally watched a very successful pro transform his body from 185 lbs, good shape, to 250 lbs of hugeness while staying fairly lean, then cutting down to 235, getting ripped and winning several top bb awards. The first major hurdle took him one year, I know that he did not cycle off during that year. He just continued to improve, it was amazing to watch. Then there are those of us that are having fun, enjoying the effects of the AS, cycling on then off as needed or as personal preference or health concerns dictate. Some of us will compete, some of us may not. Again, another perspective on gaining a massive physique.
I personally watched a very successful pro transform his body from 185 lbs, good shape, to 250 lbs of hugeness while staying fairly lean, then cutting down to 235, getting ripped and winning several top bb awards. The first major hurdle took him one year, I know that he did not cycle off during that year. He just continued to improve, it was amazing to watch. Then there are those of us that are having fun, enjoying the effects of the AS, cycling on then off as needed or as personal preference or health concerns dictate. Some of us will compete, some of us may not. Again, another perspective on gaining a massive physique.
In Response
panerai::Good article, although, he's not cycling, he's staying on all the time, no matter what he believes. And, he's not pro.
Doggcrapp:: no I am not a pro (I dont know how that came about)--about the cycling part you obviously didnt read the thread as its about keeping your hpta functioning as well as possible regardless of cycle length.
OVRtrainer::WHAT!!! YOU'VE GOT TO BE FUCKING KIDDING ME......his cycle is rediculous. First of all, he intends his cycles to only last 4 wks. Well unless he's using Test Prop or Suspension, he'd be missing out on the best part of the gains depending on the esterfication of the testosterone.
Doggcrapp:: actually its 4-8 weeks depending on the person and if you think it takes 4 weeks for a steroid to start working in the body you are badly misinformed. That steroid depending on various factors is by and large working within the hour. What do you think is going to happen during a 2 week cruise period? That you will lose all gains of the prior 4 weeks and go back to ground zero?!?!?! As you say: YOU'VE GOT TO BE FUCKING KIDDING ME......
OVRtrainer::Also, what kind of Equipoise does he suggest would give you quality gains in 4 wks, as the last time I checked Boldenone undecyclenate has a very long acting ester.
Doggcrapp: so it hydrolizes slowly big deal--if you go on Test and EQ for 4 weeks and then do 2 weeks of accillary meds with some low dose test to keep the hpta functioning properly and then hop back on EQ and high dose test again what do you think will happen? back to ground zero again??? Think it out man, Im trying to keep the hpta (which is the center of most peoples cycling problems) functioning which doesnt happen when people do 16 week cycles and hop off for 2-3 weeks with clomid and hcg and then hop back on again.
OVRtrainer::Secondly...you CANNOT recover your natural testosterone production while using 300-400mg of test no matter how much arimidex and clomid you use! His two weeks OFF are merely two weeks at a lower doseage, which as previously mentioned, would be the time when he would likely be making his best gains.
Doggcrapp:: really prove that to me with one freaking study and I dont want to see hpta downregulation studies with low dose test
as clomid arimidex hcg and nolvadex arent being used in those studies in conjunction with 200mg of test. I would much rather someone try to keep the HPTA axis in check my way then do 16-20 weeks of blasting juice. Welcome to the world of sickness, colds, lethargy, joint pain, loss of appetite, and rapid weight loss when they get off--(which doesnt happen with my methods)
OVRtrainer::In actuality, you can continue to make gains on this cycle as you're never actually "coming off" during the two weeks, and the second "4 week cycle" should actually be very good. In summarily, please do not believe that this is good way to cycle. I am surprised that someone who claims to have so much "experience" with AAS would be so misinformed with regard to these rudimentary aspects of cycling. Just my .02!
Doggcrapp:: and im surprised someone can sit on his high horse and spout away without thinking the whole thing out. You are lost in the notion that this is a continual 10 year cycle--ITS NOT!--its whatever length you want it to be 8 weeks 12 weeks 16 weeks etc......the only difference is my methods involve always keeping the HPTA in mind. If you take two twins and one cycles continually for one year straight and the other twin cycles my way for one year straight when they get off I have no doubt my twin will normalize HPTA wise while the other twin will be in a world of muscle loss and low testosterone levels for up to 6-8 months.
panerai::Good article, although, he's not cycling, he's staying on all the time, no matter what he believes. And, he's not pro.
Doggcrapp:: no I am not a pro (I dont know how that came about)--about the cycling part you obviously didnt read the thread as its about keeping your hpta functioning as well as possible regardless of cycle length.
OVRtrainer::WHAT!!! YOU'VE GOT TO BE FUCKING KIDDING ME......his cycle is rediculous. First of all, he intends his cycles to only last 4 wks. Well unless he's using Test Prop or Suspension, he'd be missing out on the best part of the gains depending on the esterfication of the testosterone.
Doggcrapp:: actually its 4-8 weeks depending on the person and if you think it takes 4 weeks for a steroid to start working in the body you are badly misinformed. That steroid depending on various factors is by and large working within the hour. What do you think is going to happen during a 2 week cruise period? That you will lose all gains of the prior 4 weeks and go back to ground zero?!?!?! As you say: YOU'VE GOT TO BE FUCKING KIDDING ME......
OVRtrainer::Also, what kind of Equipoise does he suggest would give you quality gains in 4 wks, as the last time I checked Boldenone undecyclenate has a very long acting ester.
Doggcrapp: so it hydrolizes slowly big deal--if you go on Test and EQ for 4 weeks and then do 2 weeks of accillary meds with some low dose test to keep the hpta functioning properly and then hop back on EQ and high dose test again what do you think will happen? back to ground zero again??? Think it out man, Im trying to keep the hpta (which is the center of most peoples cycling problems) functioning which doesnt happen when people do 16 week cycles and hop off for 2-3 weeks with clomid and hcg and then hop back on again.
OVRtrainer::Secondly...you CANNOT recover your natural testosterone production while using 300-400mg of test no matter how much arimidex and clomid you use! His two weeks OFF are merely two weeks at a lower doseage, which as previously mentioned, would be the time when he would likely be making his best gains.
Doggcrapp:: really prove that to me with one freaking study and I dont want to see hpta downregulation studies with low dose test
as clomid arimidex hcg and nolvadex arent being used in those studies in conjunction with 200mg of test. I would much rather someone try to keep the HPTA axis in check my way then do 16-20 weeks of blasting juice. Welcome to the world of sickness, colds, lethargy, joint pain, loss of appetite, and rapid weight loss when they get off--(which doesnt happen with my methods)
OVRtrainer::In actuality, you can continue to make gains on this cycle as you're never actually "coming off" during the two weeks, and the second "4 week cycle" should actually be very good. In summarily, please do not believe that this is good way to cycle. I am surprised that someone who claims to have so much "experience" with AAS would be so misinformed with regard to these rudimentary aspects of cycling. Just my .02!
Doggcrapp:: and im surprised someone can sit on his high horse and spout away without thinking the whole thing out. You are lost in the notion that this is a continual 10 year cycle--ITS NOT!--its whatever length you want it to be 8 weeks 12 weeks 16 weeks etc......the only difference is my methods involve always keeping the HPTA in mind. If you take two twins and one cycles continually for one year straight and the other twin cycles my way for one year straight when they get off I have no doubt my twin will normalize HPTA wise while the other twin will be in a world of muscle loss and low testosterone levels for up to 6-8 months.
