A disturbing DNP myth

[overrx]

Just wanted to clarify one thing up. Ive been skimming a few dnp posts about people not getting any results and I think, except for a certain few (perhaps sonny and lewd) that half of these people complaining arent getting any results cause of their diet. I hear comments like "you have to eat for dnp to work" and "get tons of carbs" popping up left and right. If you're not getting any results while on dnp the first place you should look is your diet -- oh suprise suprise, yes you should be on a diet. You shouldnt eat more than maintence calories, and I would recommend eating less, closer to the equivalent of the first 2 weeks on any diet you would normally be on. Yes you can use dnp while not on a diet but you will see minimal results if any...why? cause it all comes back to calories in = calories out. Now taking only 200 mg a day you cant expect your metabolic rate to avarage out at more than 4000 cals a day...if that much. That means if your like one user i read who claimed to be eating 3000+ calories a day...your not gonna be losing jack.
dont use dnp as an execuse to get sloppy, stick with a good diet and see results. you shouldnt be using dnp if you dont have enough will power to be using it with a good diet.
a note, when people say take in more carbs, thats percantage wise of your total calories, not take in more carbs and more calories.

just my 2cents

 

[Hbone]

Great Save. Needed to be said.

 

[FarBeyondDriven]

Although I despise DNP greatly I believe you have a point. The diet is key to everything. Put in crap, going to get crap.
Question though, When I was reaching and contemplating doing DNP there was talk of front-loading carbs in the beginning. For others information do you think that this is effective?

 

[overrx]

i think you should be on a normal maintenence diet before starting dnp. Carb-loading isnt necessary. I stress maintenence cause i think it would be beneficial to start of a dnp cycle with normal t3 levels (instead of lower ones that result from dieting). I dont think a keto diet prior to a dnp cycle would make any real difference either (however I have not used keto diets myself so I'm just using others experiences on that assumption)

 

[serge]

you hold alot of water while on dnp, you dont get to see the true progress you have made untill about a week after you stoped taking dnp, thats when the water falls off, and only then you will get a true picture of the progress you have made

 

[Hbone]

If you are already dieting the carb loading can help to optimize t-3 levels.

 

[overrx]

If you are already dieting the carb loading can help to optimize t-3 levels.

good point...however it must not only be carb loading but also excess calories....just make sure its not too excess, probably no more than 200 over maintence

 

[Hbone]

Karma karma karma karma chameleon...

 

[Hbone]

Sorry dude wont let me send it yourway twice in a row. Oh well back to the thead.

 

[Hbone]

BUMP DESERVING MORE ATTN.

 

[Superfrk]

Carb loading IMHO, I have done 3 cycles of crystal DNP, is a waste of time and counter productive, you should try and stick with complex carbs like a baked potato etc..., plz If I see another DNP diary where the guy eats like Ice cream the whole time and then bitchs about how DNP sucks or is not worth what you have to go through then I will go on a killing spree, Cereal is o.k., and actualy helps your stomach to feel better, I am not talking about fruit loops ether, corn flakes, sp k, etc... and skim milk. - Superfrk

 

[Adaptek]

Part I

Carb loading IMHO, I have done 3 cycles of crystal DNP, is a waste of time and counter productive, you should try and stick with complex carbs like a baked potato etc..., plz If I see another DNP diary where the guy eats like Ice cream the whole time and then bitchs about how DNP sucks or is not worth what you have to go through then I will go on a killing spree, Cereal is o.k., and actualy helps your stomach to feel better, I am not talking about fruit loops ether, corn flakes, sp k, etc... and skim milk. - Superfrk

I did a couple DNP cycles. DNP has a way of speaking to me. It said "eat the pizza". The DNP made me eat shit, it told me to eat as much crap as I could. I ate whole pizzas and sweated like a pig after them. I ate tubs of icecream, butter, lard whatever I could get my hands on (the butter and lard part is an exaggeration) . I thought I had a hole in my stomach.

One night while on 1000mgs of DNP I thought I was going to die. I made it through the night and prompty discontinued my cycle. At the end of all that binging I did not put on any BF, however the BF loss was questionable. If I was not using DNP I know I would have looked like a stuff pig.

 

[overrx]

then why bother going on dnp in the first place, besides to give yourself a very dangerous execuse to allow yourself to binge....if you dont have enough willpower to eat healthy for 7 days then you shouldnt be on dnp in the first place. i bet you kept upping the dosage the more shit food you ate to counteract it --that leads to a very dangerous situation.

 

[Hbone]

Adaptek that is alot more common then anybody admits.

 

[overrx]

i agree, many people just use dnp and find themselves uncontrollably eating, ive done it myself. But if your eating more than maintence calories dont expect to get results.
btw adaptek - same thing happened to me on one cycle, i ate a ton, no bf gain but no bf lost.

 

[Hbone]

On the lower doses. 200 a day. The Ala with complex carbs seem to cut the cravings.

 

[overrx]

and lots of eca which is synergistic as well

 

[Hbone]

Yup yup This is working out to be nice thread.

 

[11/2in22g5ccfilled]

dnp

what the fuck is dnp?

 

[Punschkrapfen]

Re: dnp

what the fuck is dnp?

"DNP [2,4 dinitrophenol] is what’s known as a classic uncoupler of oxidative phosphorylation, which is the mitochondrial process that takes adenosine diphosphate (ADP) and converts it into adenosine triphosphate (ATP), the high-energy molecule that the body uses for energy."

read
http://www.ironmanmagazine.com/ironman/nutrition/fatburning_firestorm.htm
http://www.fortunecity.com/olympia/shoemaker/31/id99.htm

"The compound 2,4-dinitrophenol (DNP) acts as a proton ionophore, that is, it binds protons on one side of a membrane, and being fat-soluble it drifts to the opposite side where it loses the protons. Actually, the associations/dissociations are random, but the probability of binding is greatest on the side of the membrane with greatest proton concentration, and least on the side with the lesser concentration. Thus, it is impossible to maintain a proton gradient with sufficient DNP in the system. DNP does have other effects in addition to uncoupling, thus we frequently observe initial uncoupling followed by a direct effect on respiration. Rarely, the uncoupling effect is completely masked by other actions of DNP.
Back in the 1930s DNP was touted as an effective diet pill. Indeed, the uncoupling of electron transport from ATP synthesis allows rapid oxidation of Krebs substrates, promoting the mobilization of carbohydrates and fats, since regulatory pathways are programmed to maintain concentrations of those substrates at set levels. Since the energy is lost as heat, biosynthesis is not promoted, and weight loss is dramatic. However, to quote Efraim Racker (A New Look at Mechanisms in Bioenergetics, Academic Press, 1976, p. 155), ..."the treatment eliminated not only the fat but also the patients,...This discouraged physicians for awhile..."
http://www.ruf.rice.edu/~bioslabs/studies/mitochondria/mitopoisons.html

 

[Dai Kaioushin]

Well, I've finished my first DNP cycle 2 weeks ago, and have lost only 2 pounds!!!!!! I think everything was ideal, I ate 2600 Kcals per day, lots of minerals, vitamins, did DNP at 200mgs for 3 days, 400mgs for 6 days and 1 day at 600mgs. The strange thing was that I wasn't hubgry at all, no carb cravings. I hate eating while on DNP, but I think it's not that bad as carb cravings can be. But I did a revise. I've been dieting since June. I haven't lost anything since the beginning of September, thats why I've choosen the DNP. But I think my body adapted to this long diet and refused burning more fat. That is my idea, I'm going to do bulking for 3 months, after that I'll give an other try to DNP. Any thoughts on it bros?

 

[Fonz]

The carb-up/no carb-up debate happenned
already a couple of months ago. This is old news. Search
the archives.
And LOL Adaptek....... a whole pizza?? You must have been a
geiser of sweat,

Next, sure diet counts, but you guys still don't manage to grasp
just how much DNP increases your metabolism, or as I like
to say "dissipates your calories"

200mg/day 20% increase in BMR
400mg/day 40% increase in BMR
800mg/day 50-70% increase in BMR

There is much, much more and the best advice I can give is to read
more.

Fonz

 

[overrx]

a) your t3 levels were low to begin with due to dieting
b) need to drop your calories to 2000 (depending on how much you weigh)
c) you need to consume less fat/ more of the calories as protein and carbs

 

[the kidd]

Very nice. PEACE

 

[Adaptek]

Part II

Okay guys so I binged on the first cycle, thats why I did another one about a month later. This time I tried to eat as clean as possible. I did pretty well, I think I only ate one bad meal out of 10 days on.

Dose:

4 days @ 400mg
6 days @ 800mgs

I did not train weights or cardio and I used ECA stack most days.

Well I would have stayed on longer but it probably would have killed me. I did loose a little BF, but for some reason not as much as I thought I would.

Now after coming off the DNP cycle, I found that my appetite went through the roof again. So I ate badly for about a month. Needless to say I am at square one again.

I am trying to lose as much BF without DNP because I cannot control the sides. The cravings are way too much for me. Plus I got really weak on the cycle so naturally afterwoods one would want to pack in calories to gain strength.

I hate feeling that weak, I don't feel confident walking down the street.

 

[Hbone]

overx's A. B. C. excelent points. Yes everything here has been said before and could be searched, as is with 90% of threads on the board.

 

[mlomker]

Re: Part I

One night while on 1000mgs of DNP I thought I was going to die. I made it through the night and prompty discontinued my cycle.

I admit that I ate small amounts of yogurt ice cream and one pizza while on for three weeks. I think it is really dose dependent. I found that 400mg/day powdered was tolerable but at 800mg all I could think about was cool swimming pools, fans, and that yogurt ice cream.

Needless to say, I'm going with 400mg next time.

 

[Dai Kaioushin]

a) your t3 levels were low to begin with due to dieting
b) need to drop your calories to 2000 (depending on how much you weigh)
c) you need to consume less fat/ more of the calories as protein and carbs

a.) My thyroid levels have been checked. My doctor said that it is a little low but within the normal range.
b.) My bodyweight was 225lbs with 16% bf before cycle. 2600 KCals is correct in my view.
c.)55%Carbs/30%protein/15%fat

 

[overrx]

were your thyroid levels checked prior to dnp?
what is your calorie intake when you diet -- drop it to that level
drop fat <10 if you can

 

[Hbone]

Lower level of normal range is still low. Overx is dead on, pull all fat possible. You either need to optimize thyriod level prior to start or add t-3.

 

[serge]

many Guyz on here still do not understand how dnp works, all dnp does (in plain english) is takes the energy you put in (calories) and prevents your body from turning it into mechanical energy that can be used for your daily activities, instead it expands that energy as bodyheat, that is the more you eat the more you sweat.

 

[O'Stanozol]

I am doing the theory on what Andy13 posted some weeks ago

I am using fina test, winny 1cc per day
Train 5 days week ( m, t, w,t,f ) and I take 400mg of dnp on friday, sat and sunday
first week so far and I love it. I lost 3lbs in a week end of dnp uses, the side effects
are very low.

Peoples that say DNP doesnt work are jerks, I started using DNP after I saw the results
of my best buddy.

 

[Hbone]

Same here with a little slin to boot. in place of winny I got susp.
By the way on third week and seem to be working nicely.

 

[Dai Kaioushin]

were your thyroid levels checked prior to dnp?
what is your calorie intake when you diet -- drop it to that level
drop fat <10 if you can

No, it weren't But maybe it was normal-low before the cycle, but it is just estimation.
I ussually eat between 2400 to 2600 normally when I'm on a normal diet(without DNP ) but next, I'll try to drop it below 2400 with less than 10% fat

 

[Dai Kaioushin]

Peoples that say DNP doesnt work are jerks......

That was a great statement!! Apperciate it. Keep it up!

 

[Lita2]

DNP Cycle

Well, this is my second cycle of DNP, and the first one I did use as an excuse to eat everything I saw. And I never went to the gym.

This time, I am on a 300 mg DNP/20 mg yohimbine cap cycle, taking 1 cap per day (not sure how long I will do this for yet- any suggestions would be appreciated).

Now, I am on day 4, and I am sweating like crazy. I am hot when other people tell me it is so cold in the room you could hang meat.

Anyway, I want someone who has had a very successful results with DNP to maybe give me a sample diet.

Prior to the DNP cycle, I had been watching my carb intake (I had done a month with no carbs and another month with low carbs-- however, I cheated a few days prior to starting DNP so I think my body was around a normal level).

Since I have started, I have eaten, for example today:

Granola and raisin cereal with skim milk
Scrambled eggs
4 meatballs
A 6 inch turkey/cheese/lettuce/mayo hoagie on wheat
Fat free strawberry yogurt
Protein shake
And a gallon of water
(It's almost 5 p.m. so I will be having dinner soon)

I don't know how many carbs are essential to the cycle.....any help would be good.

I have lifted everyday and managed to do around 25 minutes of cardio before I either throw up or feel so dizzy I have to stop.

I just want to make sure I maximize the results. BTW, I am 188 lbs.....and 22% BF currently.

Thanks a bunch!

 

[overrx]

Next, sure diet counts, but you guys still don't manage to grasp
just how much DNP increases your metabolism, or as I like
to say "dissipates your calories"

200mg/day 20% increase in BMR
400mg/day 40% increase in BMR
800mg/day 50-70% increase in BMR

let say an average bmr is 1800 cal
200 mg/day -> bmr is 2160
400 mg/day -> brm is 2520

remember im talking about bmr not total calories expended in a day which accounts for exercise and any sort of movement

its a big increase but not enough to make up for not dieting
people claim to be eating 3000+ calories and not getting results, the point is theyr not getting results because theyr eating too much. whoever invented the phrase "you have to eat a lot while your on dnp" was possibly tripping balls on acid , diet like any other diet only parition your total caloric intake to have more carbs/protein and least fat possible.