A different kind of failure

[casualbb]

Today I started preparing to do the Mad Max training program for building aerobic capacity: http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/training/madmax.htm

I had to find my Vmax, and it went like this:

Minute 1: 7 mph, start at 0% incline.
Minute 2: 7mph, 1% incline
Minute 3: 7mph, 2% incline... You get the idea.

Minute 8: 7mph, 7% incline, I was dripping sweat, could barely focus, and despite my very best efforts, I flew off the back of the treadmill. I literally couldn't keep up.

Who else has ever experienced aerobic failure? It's a different and definitely unpleasant feeling. In two days I get to go back and try to push the envelope...I'm shooting for 1 minute at 7 mph, 9% incline. I came pretty close to losing my protein shake afterwards

-casual, who can barely type or think even 30 minutes later

 

[Backlash]

I used to, back in the days of running cross country and track. I think it had more to do with lactic acid overload, though, and we called it hitting the wall. Our bodies would literally just quit on us sometimes if we pushed too hard.

 

[PolishHammer1977]

It's that horn that you don't wantto thear and then before you know it your teammate taps you on the shoulder and says, "I'm in for you man, who you guarding". looolololololol

 

[Zander1983]

Weekly. I run myself into the ground in each indoor soccer match I play.

That's a good program. Why are you doing it? If you're "merely" wanting to look good, I'd probably look at his energy system/interval program instead. The one with 1:3 work:rest intervals...

 

[sk*]

Gym class, high school, I was pretty fat.

So anyway, the treadmill tossed me across to the wall, girls laughed.

-sk

 

[IronLion]

I used to train at a center for athletes that used a special treadmill capable of 30 miles an hour and incline of up to 25 degrees, and decline angle of ten. It was also about 2.5 times wider than a typical treadmill. Anyways they had us doing intervals of high knees for 10 hold for 10 sprint for 10 then off for 45 seconds, then they would up the incline and you would go again. After my tenth set I went running to the bathroom and got the stall door open and projectiled all over the place. That was the only time I have ever puked from anything but illness and alcohol...lol

 

[Alucard]

CasualBB, what is the goal for you in this case? I thought you were trying to gain size previously.

 

[casualbb]

I was. Right now I'm cutting, but I also want to build aerobic capacity for recreational sports in the fall. I figure this program will help me kill two birds with one stone.

 

[Alucard]

Okey dokey. Just checking. What is your weight at currently?

 

[casualbb]

It's kind of depressing actually. Last bulking cycle I ended at like 167. Now, after like maybe a week of dieting, I'm 158. It's kind of sad to think that all of my "gains" were water weight, but I guess it makes sense. I simultaneously stopped creatine and started dieting and my weight plumetted. Oh well, just more ground to recover later.

-casual

 

[Alucard]

Why didn't you stay on the creatine?

 

[sk*]

Why didn't you stay on the creatine?

I'd assume because it makes you hold water.

-sk

 

[Alucard]

I'd assume because it makes you hold water.

-sk

The only water creatine monohydrate makes you hold is intramuscular water, which is something you'd want.

 

[casualbb]

I kinda ran out, lol. Rationalizing it now I realize it's probably important to help avoid muscle loss while dieting, but I guess in the back of my mind, I wanted to cycle it. I suppose I'm trying with my next bulking cycle to recreate the conditions that led to the monster growth I saw late last year. One of those conditions was going onto creatine for the first time, so as much as can be done I'm trying to raise my sensitivity to it.

-casual

 

[Alucard]

I do something similar, even though I don't think there really is a significant sensitivity issue.

 

[ffknight84]

Ive puked a few times from practices. One was we had a pro footnall player come in and lead us in summer conditioning, shit that was horrible.

The worst are fatigue cramps in ur legs. One day i had them in both my quads and hammys. So when i would stretch one, the other would go. That was shitty.