A comprehensive look at modern AAS cycling.

[Zyglamail]

The question is: Is it safer to allow your body a few weeks to adjust to the increased levels?

Well, here is kind of how I look at it. When we pop a bunch of orals or suspension with no ester...BAM! we get immediate raise in blood levels. This is really no different than a front load. And as mentioned, even in a front load of 1 single injection of triple the base cycle amount blood levels still do not reach the peak of what they will during the cycle. Even though there is a large amount in our systems, it is not usable due to the ester and our bodies can only hydrolize so much at a time as well. If raising blood levels fast was a detriment and so feared, then I would think people would be avoiding orals and no ester suspension like the plague.

It can't be wise to inject 1200mgs in one day.

Personally I kind of agree here and the reason being is it would be a HUGE depot. Even with 200mg/ml EQ thats 6ml. I personally will stick to breaking up my front load over the first week or two.

A slower increase would keep water bloat, strech marks, be safer on your heart, and not so hard on your tendons/joints.

Once again, think of orals. In addition keep in mind that even with a large amount of usable AAS it can take weeks for us to notice the effects. Take fina or prop for example. With these short ester products blood levels peak fast (faster than a front loaded long lasting ester) yet there is still a 1-3 week window for effects to be noticed. So in regards to front loading, its still less of a shock than orals or the other powerfull short estered AAS.

 

[ryker77]

Zyg, you have some great points. But try and look at it from both sides. I for one think that their is a big difference between taking 50mgs Dbol in one day and 1200mgs Deca in one day.
If you get sick, bad sides, puffy nipples, or want to decrease the dose then with the dbol all you need to do is wait one day. With deca on the other hand you would have over a week of 1200mgs of deca in your system.

Like riker29 said, your ideals should be to the more advanced user. One that has done several cycles. In no way should a newbie inject such a large amount of a long acting ester in a front load.

Again your post is great.

 

[STORM SHADOW]

In regards to water retention (bloat), on using high front loading esp with shorter esters such as Suspension or Prop.....over at
http://www.anabolicreview.com/drugprof.htm
look up Test Prop & you'll find that it is prefered over the longer esters because it does not cause the water retension & bloating that dbol & cyp/en cause. So I don't think that is an issue in this case.
So............................

I'm planning this cycle to start with Test En, Test Prop (for the beginning & end), dbol, & sust at the beginning & later bring in the Finny (Fina/Winny.....make sure when you use that word you understand I have a Copyright on it as it is now considered a STORM SHADOWism.....when you say Finny.....put the Copyright symbol on it or just a * ok I'm being funny now), and dropping out the Longer Esters.

Now I had not decided when I'll come off.....there might be some Deca in there in the middle.

After the sesation of the dbol......I'll go a period with no orals.
I'll have to question if near the end.....to throw in some Anavar.

At this time right now (as I'm waiting for some other stuff to come in), I'm collecting all the stuff to come off. NEVER START A CYCLE WITHOUT THE INGREDIENTS TO COME OFF. If something were to happen & I need to come off quick......I want to know I have the stuff within arms reach.

To date......I'm building a 6 month cycle. I'll cycle in some HCG during this just to keep my buddies from imploding.

Anadrol? hmmmmm have to think about that in there.....no decisions as of yet.

*Liver/Kidneys........I've collected from NOW at the Vitamin Cottage....Cranberry Extract and Silymarin.
*I have about 20 lbs of Gateraide.
*Mass 3/60
*wife is getting me a book this time around so that I can plan my food out....something that will give me a nutrition index so I make sure I get up to 300 grms of protien a day.
*Still have not ordered Arimidex....hmmmmm
*I see a lot of boiled chicken in my future
*She'll be buying me Egg Bagals.....you all should think about that...carbs & protien in those is awesome.
*Looking into Hydo 520 at www.proteinfactory.com to add to my Mass 3/60
*I have a huge bottle of Twin Lab Liquid Amino Fuel which will be replaced as nec.
*I have a lot of creatine (I mean a lot).....I don't know if I believe in it...but I might as well use it during the cycle.
*I have access to Insulin.......but it scares me to much so I guess that's out.
*Looking for somebody that has used the Bovine Serum at proteinfactory & wonder how they managed to get that down their throat.....don't want to add it to my Mass 3/60 & ruin the taste......maybe somebody figured a way to use it in something. It's supposed to be the best & at $22.99 a pound & you only use 2 grams per meal.......holy shit.......you can't beat it......but it's taste will beat you.........to death......muahahahahaha

Anybody want to add to this? Holy shit.......guess I felt like typing today.
This cycle is going to be my greatest experment.
*I'm looking into the internet for programs that I can load into my pc that I can keep track of nutrition....strength.....weight....size....etc, that will also graph things out for me so I can see actual results on paper.\
*Today I'm rehooking up my tanning bed........right in the dinning room.......hahahahaha
*For the last week I rearranged the garage. I have a FULL professional gym.....costed $5g's....it's been disassemble because I sunk $12g's into my basement & turned it into a full living space for my mother-in-law. So yesterday my wife & I reassemble the gym in the garage.....took the whole thing up with the pieces side by side.....that's for my days off from work......because at work we have an awesome fitness center....but don't want to spend to much time there as rumors will spread fast.....rumors spread about me last time I spent 6 mo's in there & everybody had accused me of steroid use even though I have been off at that time for 10 yrs....now it's been 15 clean.....but I grow weary of that bullshit....natural/un-natural....either way doesn't mean shit to me....I respect them both.

Did I leave anything out? Want to add to it? Protection measures? Other Gear? Nutrition? Hit me bros.

 

[Zyglamail]

Like riker29 said, your ideals should be to the more advanced user. One that has done several cycles. In no way should a newbie inject such a large amount of a long acting ester in a front load.

Ryker77, good point but I figured this was assumed. Its a very good idea to know how sensitive you are before you start.

On a side note, its the hydrolization that causes the sides for the most part. Since only so much is hydrolized at a time (as seen in the charts). the massive front load really should not bring about any more sides than you would see at the end of your cycle. But as you pointed out, its still wise to know how you react to a given product before jumping in to be on the safe side. Or have a gallon of liquidex on hand

 

[Andy13]

Zyg, you have some great points. But try and look at it from both sides. I for one think that their is a big difference between taking 50mgs Dbol in one day and 1200mgs Deca in one day.
If you get sick, bad sides, puffy nipples, or want to decrease the dose then with the dbol all you need to do is wait one day. With deca on the other hand you would have over a week of 1200mgs of deca in your system.

Like riker29 said, your ideals should be to the more advanced user. One that has done several cycles. In no way should a newbie inject such a large amount of a long acting ester in a front load.

Again your post is great.

I couldn't agree more-- only expirienced users should front end load their injectables.

However, I disagree with not being able to control your sides (such as gyno) on a front end load.

Let's take the most extreme type of front end load-- that is, taking a 3x load in one day..

The highest blood concentration will be seen within the first 24 hrs. In this time, if gyno symptoms persist, all one has to do is not inject anymore... Blood concnetrations will only reduce after the first day. Developing gyno is not usually something that happens over night. You are not "screwed" when you inject a large volume and then feel symptoms. Simply do not inject any more if you want to play it TOTALLY safe or decrease the dose.

Besided, as I mentioned previously, front end load shouldn't be done if it's the first time you have used a drug.. If you've used 500mg/week of deca before than there is nothing wrong with doing 1500mg in the first week, ie, the sides will be no worse than what you have already expirienced previously.

Andy

 

[Ulter]

No ZYG it was not assumed that you two are making a "formula" for success for VETS ONLY. Do you see the newbies on this thread saying how great this is? Do you know how many weigh 160 pounds at 15% as opposed to how many are 230 at 8%? The problem is that you can't replace a person's experience with writing cycles with a formula or graph. There is no power of reason in a graph. I have been at this 18 years and I will tell you that cycling evolves and changes as we learn more every year. I appreciate yours and andy's knowledge but this is not as smart as it looks unless you two are letting people know that this is an ideal cycle, in a prefect world, with a perfect specimen.

 

[Andy13]

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[panerai]

Andy, I don't get what that chart means?
To be accurate, it has to show the same dosage, and it is not, so it's kind of misleading. Or, may be, you meant something else, please, explaine...

 

[Andy13]

Andy, I don't get what that chart means?
To be accurate, it has to show the same dosage, and it is not, so it's kind of misleading. Or, may be, you meant something else, please, explaine...

Actually, I posted the chart last night just as a test... I suck at excel.

The chart can be seen as an "injection frequency" chart. The fact that slightly more test is used in the 500mg twice/week doesn't matter.. It still shows its deviation from mean blood concentrations.


Andy