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amazing post andy!
A comprehensive look at modern AAS cycling.
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GameBreaker
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so would shooting 250mg sust every 3-4 days be better than 500mg once a week?
I dont get the graphs... take the deca graph..
its supposed to show the blood concentration of nandrolone correct ?
What i dont get is this : graph entry, starts off -not at ground zero- like blood conc. just auto jumps from 0 to -whatever (or any other inj. day.. just jumps). Second then the conecentration seems to drop linear fromt hat time, is this what is actually released of the esterfied compound into the body ?
its supposed to show the blood concentration of nandrolone correct ?
What i dont get is this : graph entry, starts off -not at ground zero- like blood conc. just auto jumps from 0 to -whatever (or any other inj. day.. just jumps). Second then the conecentration seems to drop linear fromt hat time, is this what is actually released of the esterfied compound into the body ?
Obviously once an AAS is injected it is immediatly subjected to uptake by our system. The graphs are plotted at 24 hour increments so the reason for the jump is because the first point ploted shows the amount of hydrolized(ie released) AAS 24 hours after injection. I could just as easily ploted the first point at zero, but why, we know it starts at zero?
Not sure I understand this question. The drop at the end just shows the AAS levels trailing off after the last injection, which is the last peak.
let me refraise ... its prolly just my uneducated ass regarding roids here, but here goes anyway
.. the thing that bothers me, is the equation doesnt hold an aspect that accounts for the consuption of the steroid, lets say test.. test enan, halflife of 14 days.. u inject 250mg day1, day14 125mg will still be esterfied and remaining in some depot of ur body... my problem is this : do i then have 125mg og test floating around by body at day 14 ? No, it has been broken down by my liver(right?), but the question is, at what rate ? And as i see it, this is how the blood concentration should plot out.. its an differential equation, u got something going in, and u got something going out, at different rates.... on top of that, the larger the intake, the larger the out will be.. i cant grasp the equation right now, and my calculus books are out of the house plus its been a while since messign with them... but does this sound far off ?
im problary overlooking something, awaiting ur answer paitently
.. the thing that bothers me, is the equation doesnt hold an aspect that accounts for the consuption of the steroid, lets say test.. test enan, halflife of 14 days.. u inject 250mg day1, day14 125mg will still be esterfied and remaining in some depot of ur body... my problem is this : do i then have 125mg og test floating around by body at day 14 ? No, it has been broken down by my liver(right?), but the question is, at what rate ? And as i see it, this is how the blood concentration should plot out.. its an differential equation, u got something going in, and u got something going out, at different rates.... on top of that, the larger the intake, the larger the out will be.. i cant grasp the equation right now, and my calculus books are out of the house plus its been a while since messign with them... but does this sound far off ?
im problary overlooking something, awaiting ur answer paitently
The idea behind a half life it that at a given half life, half of the product will be metabolized. So using your above figures (ie 14 day half life and 250mg inj) 14 days after inj, 125mg would be metabolized, 14 days after that, half of whats left will be metabolized (ie 62.5mg) and then once again 14 days later half of the remaining will be metabolized (ie 31.25mg) and that is why the long trail off. Keep in mind that the chart is not just on one injection, but multiple injections. Since the injections are comming faster than the AAS metabolizes, blood concentrations build over the course of a cycle. did that answer your question? If not, sorry, im far from a math guru....or any kind of guru for that matter
BrainRoid said:let me refraise ... its prolly just my uneducated ass regarding roids here, but here goes anyway
.. the thing that bothers me, is the equation doesnt hold an aspect that accounts for the consuption of the steroid, lets say test.. test enan, halflife of 14 days.. u inject 250mg day1, day14 125mg will still be esterfied and remaining in some depot of ur body... my problem is this : do i then have 125mg og test floating around by body at day 14 ? No, it has been broken down by my liver(right?), but the question is, at what rate ? And as i see it, this is how the blood concentration should plot out.. its an differential equation, u got something going in, and u got something going out, at different rates.... on top of that, the larger the intake, the larger the out will be.. i cant grasp the equation right now, and my calculus books are out of the house plus its been a while since messign with them... but does this sound far off ?
im problary overlooking something, awaiting ur answer paitently
The graph is basically the 'rate of metabolism' of the steroid.
Keep in mind that there is a HUGE difference between a compounds duration of activity and half life. There are some papers floating around stating that TE is active in the body for 14 days. These research papers were written from a hormone replacement therapy view. TE can be injected (250mg, say), and after 14 days, the blood testosterone levels will still be at or above a normal man's. That's all '14-day activity' means.
TE's half life is closer to 4-6 days.
Andy
Xtreme2001
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Help!
Zyg/Andy, would their be any benefits for me to front load Cyp on this upcoming cycle of mine?
dbol- 35mg/day 1-3
Test cyp- 750mg/week 1-10 Frontloading the first 2 weeks at 1000 or 1250mg
Eq- 400mg/week 1-10
Winny- 5-12 50mg/ed
Fina- 75mg/EOD 7-12
armidex- .5/ed -end
I'll have an exta bit of cyp left over, I could even front load it to 1250 for the first two weeks.. I just don't want to over due it. i'm not sure how much my body can handle. I haven't seen a chart for front loading cyp, that's why i ask.
Unless Running it at a constant 1000mg/week would give me better results/mass gain.
Zyg/Andy, would their be any benefits for me to front load Cyp on this upcoming cycle of mine?
dbol- 35mg/day 1-3
Test cyp- 750mg/week 1-10 Frontloading the first 2 weeks at 1000 or 1250mg
Eq- 400mg/week 1-10
Winny- 5-12 50mg/ed
Fina- 75mg/EOD 7-12
armidex- .5/ed -end
I'll have an exta bit of cyp left over, I could even front load it to 1250 for the first two weeks.. I just don't want to over due it. i'm not sure how much my body can handle. I haven't seen a chart for front loading cyp, that's why i ask.
Unless Running it at a constant 1000mg/week would give me better results/mass gain.
Xtreme2001
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BUMP..
Could someone answer that for me.
Could someone answer that for me.
Xtreme2001
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Yeh it'll be my first time for FL anything.
Zyg.. you wouldn't happen to have a chart for Frontloading Cyp would ya???
Zyg.. you wouldn't happen to have a chart for Frontloading Cyp would ya???
strong island
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Found this writtne by Bill Roberts...the difference between enanthate and cypionate seems a bit odd.
"What are the half-lives of different esters?
Shorter chain esters have shorter half-lives, because of their lower partition coefficient. Testosterone cypionate has a half-life of 8 days, the enanthate ester has a half-life of 4 days, and nandrolone decanoate has a half-life of 8 days. These figures are only approximate. The difference between these values for cypionate and enanthate probably includes difference attributable to different measuring techniques. The actual difference is probably not more than two days.
In the rat, where half-lives of anabolic steroid esters are similar to those in humans but somewhat shorter, the half-lives of the phenylpropionate, decanoate, and laurate esters are 1, 5, and 10 days respectively. The same trend would be expected in man.
Half-life is linearly related to log partition coefficient, which is itself linearly related to the carbon chain length, the exception being if the ester is an unusual one such as phenylpropionate. This was shown by James et al. for the formate through valerate esters of testosterone in the rat. The half-life of testosterone propionate was approximately 4 days, and each carbon added to or subtracted from that chain length changed half-life by about 1.5 days."
"What are the half-lives of different esters?
Shorter chain esters have shorter half-lives, because of their lower partition coefficient. Testosterone cypionate has a half-life of 8 days, the enanthate ester has a half-life of 4 days, and nandrolone decanoate has a half-life of 8 days. These figures are only approximate. The difference between these values for cypionate and enanthate probably includes difference attributable to different measuring techniques. The actual difference is probably not more than two days.
In the rat, where half-lives of anabolic steroid esters are similar to those in humans but somewhat shorter, the half-lives of the phenylpropionate, decanoate, and laurate esters are 1, 5, and 10 days respectively. The same trend would be expected in man.
Half-life is linearly related to log partition coefficient, which is itself linearly related to the carbon chain length, the exception being if the ester is an unusual one such as phenylpropionate. This was shown by James et al. for the formate through valerate esters of testosterone in the rat. The half-life of testosterone propionate was approximately 4 days, and each carbon added to or subtracted from that chain length changed half-life by about 1.5 days."
strong island
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Heres another link with other half-life times:
http://www.anabolicextreme.com/anabolic/new_archives/anex_archive_issue46_BLOOD.htm
http://www.anabolicextreme.com/anabolic/new_archives/anex_archive_issue46_BLOOD.htm
MaxoutMike
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Great great post
but i still have one question left...
your graphs show a use of 8 weeks when front loading, but you also say switch to a short acting esther at least 4 weeks before the end of the cycle
Can i switch the deca on week 5 and continue with lets say tren until week 8 or is this only good when doing a longer cycle eg: switching from deca to tren on week 9 and continue till week 12?
the 8 week cycle would only have 4 weeks of deca then...
This probably isn't a problem, but just making sure
but i still have one question left...
your graphs show a use of 8 weeks when front loading, but you also say switch to a short acting esther at least 4 weeks before the end of the cycle
Can i switch the deca on week 5 and continue with lets say tren until week 8 or is this only good when doing a longer cycle eg: switching from deca to tren on week 9 and continue till week 12?
the 8 week cycle would only have 4 weeks of deca then...
This probably isn't a problem, but just making sure
MaxoutMike said:Great great post
but i still have one question left...
your graphs show a use of 8 weeks when front loading, but you also say switch to a short acting esther at least 4 weeks before the end of the cycle
Can i switch the deca on week 5 and continue with lets say tren until week 8 or is this only good when doing a longer cycle eg: switching from deca to tren on week 9 and continue till week 12?
the 8 week cycle would only have 4 weeks of deca then...
This probably isn't a problem, but just making sure
Deca takes FOREVER to get out of ones' system.. This idea applies to any deca use.
Stop deca AT LEAST 4 weeks before you plan to be "off."
Andy
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bicepts101
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to the top for a awsome post^^^^^
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