A Challenge To The Ef Members

[b fold the truth]

You know bfold, this sounds like something you could do from your deck chair.

I'd like to be that respected and able someday.

When I did Martial Arts the old saying was that "when you start teaching, you stop learning and progressing". For 99% of the guys out there that was 100% true. But me and my students traveled as much as possible together to train with other crews. It did wonders for my guys to actually see me, their instructor that they couldn't even touch, get beaten several times in a day. Some students saw that as a good thing and others saw it as a failure. The ones who saw it as a good thing are still progressing, even without me I'm proud to say. They learned THAT from me...to seek out knowledge no matter how good you are.

I still have so much to learn, for sure. I hope that I'll learn it I should say.

From my deck I set with my dog and watch the sea.

 

[al420]

I don't know what OMEGA has these guys doing but if I was looking at their progress and it was impressive...I'd pay. One of my worst weaknesses is my overhead press and if there was a guy on the internet charging a tiny $300 and producing amazing gains on other strongmen's overhead press...I'd have the money wired by the end of the week.

Al would probably be the first to agree with me on this...but I'd bet that if there was someone out there who could help take him to his next level...he would do it too. I know that he has spent countless hours studying (and helping others) to the inth degree.

I don't know Omega either, and that is why I question his methods. Showing me 1,2, or even 10 people you have trained is not going to mean much to me. Too many factors involved. The peridization tecniques I use in my training have been used at the Olympic level for many years, and the PL conjugates that Westside or Louie came up with work perfectly for TONS of people - not a handful.

I pay my coach over $200 a month. So yes, I would gladly pay someone 10x that much if they had some revolutionary solution to strength gains. I think Mendelvev's model is sufficient for now... I love that internet gurus can make claims that it took other actual decades to accomplish (at least to the extent they are referred to as experts)

I wouldn't pay a penny for a big bicep that can't lift shit. I would just use that arm for the numerous reach-arounds I would be preforming in the local club scene....

 

[b fold the truth]

I don't know Omega either, and that is why I question his methods. Showing me 1,2, or even 10 people you have trained is not going to mean much to me. Too many factors involved. The peridization tecniques I use in my training have been used at the Olympic level for many years, and the PL conjugates that Westside or Louie came up with work perfectly for TONS of people - not a handful.

I pay my coach over $200 a month. So yes, I would gladly pay someone 10x that much if they had some revolutionary solution to strength gains. I think Mendelvev's model is sufficient for now... I love that internet gurus can make claims that it took other actual decades to accomplish (at least to the extent they are referred to as experts)

I wouldn't pay a penny for a big bicep that can't lift shit. I would just use that arm for the numerous reach-arounds I would be preforming in the local club scene....

I've spent the past couple of months going back and forth via internet and telephone with a champion European OLY lifter and his coach WITH a paid translator for an interview I'm putting together. Their knowledge about training is amazing. No non-sense stuff...and it ain't all that hi-tech. Has made me think about how complicated I make things sometimes for sure.

 

[al420]

I've spent the past couple of months going back and forth via internet and telephone with a champion European OLY lifter and his coach WITH a paid translator for an interview I'm putting together. Their knowledge about training is amazing. No non-sense stuff...and it ain't all that hi-tech. Has made me think about how complicated I make things sometimes for sure.

Stick to compound lifts

Lift heavy adding weight to the lift weekly until you can't any longer. Then take a week off.

Re-set your lifts to 70% or the previous 5RM for 2 weeks, then 80% for 2, then go balls out for 2-3 weeks. Then you rest again, start the cycle over.

Oh yeah, and eat a ton... sleep a ton.

Did I mention to stick to COMPOUND LIFTS....

Or you can can use a 13.5 sec TUT w/ a concentration on the negative followed by drop sets and some blood volume work.

Either way....

 

[Big Rick Rock]

What are your goals bro? What are you training for?

I wouldn't pay a penny for a big bicep that can't lift shit. I would just use that arm for the numerous reach-arounds I would be preforming in the local club scene....

 

[al420]

What are your goals bro? What are you training for?

I compete in PL and WL. I fought Muay Thai for 3+ years and still train for it, but DO NOT plan on fighting MMA ever. The ju-jitsu is just not for me. Oh well....

At no point has my PL strength been a distraction to my Muay Thai abilities. I maintain my flexability, so why would 'excessive strength' be an issue? Going from PL to WL and back requires a ton of flexability work. Especially int he chest. (benching hurts your snatch, and vise versa)


My 'goal' of posting in this thread is to better understand why someone would pay a stranger w/ no acredidations any $$$ for training advice they could get out of Flex Magazine.

Where did the Glenn Pendlays of the world go? I prefer my training theory to be smothered in Russian!

 

[Big Rick Rock]

I compete in PL and WL. I fought Muay Thai for 3+ years and still train for it, but DO NOT plan on fighting MMA ever. The ju-jitsu is just not for me. Oh well....

At no point has my PL strength been a distraction to my Muay Thai abilities. I maintain my flexability, so why would 'excessive strength' be an issue? Going from PL to WL and back requires a ton of flexability work. Especially int he chest. (benching hurts your snatch, and vise versa)


My 'goal' of posting in this thread is to better understand why someone would pay a stranger w/ no acredidations any $$$ for training advice they could get out of Flex Magazine.

Where did the Glenn Pendlays of the world go? I prefer my training theory to be smothered in Russian!

People are different. You must have amazing genetics to be able to WL,PL and practice MT all in the same training program. Personally, weight training programs do have a huge effect on my martial arts training. Depending on what type of weight lifting program I'm doing at the time, it does influence my Muay Thai technique drastically... Its already awkward enough for us Westerners to try and practice MT moves, the weight training is one more factor. I mean, the average Thai fighter starts at age 7yrl and almost never grow to more than 170lbs, their speed, flexibility and footwork is almost impossible to master. Us American's start training as adults and most of us are well over 170lbs so we are less flexible and slower before we even start training. So if you can manage training specifically for WL and PL and it not being a "distraction to my Muay Thai abilities" then you should consider yourself lucky to have superhuman genetics.


Also, I think you are completely out of reason with your assumptions about what The Omega Project is. Is not just about having a weight training program designed just for you, or creating a customized diet for your lifestyle. There is that and much more, many things you can't get from a Magazine. If Flex Magazine works for you, then thats fine and I respect your taste in literature. But I would never compare The Omega Project to a magazine... At least with Omega, you can tell him just what you think about his training program after doing it for a few weeks. You have feedback and 24hrs accesss, you can't say the same about the magazines that you read.

 

[al420]

People are different. You must have amazing genetics to be able to WL,PL and practice MT all in the same training program. Personally, weight training programs do have a huge effect on my martial arts training. Depending on what type of weight lifting program I'm doing at the time, it does influence my Muay Thai technique drastically... Its already awkward enough for us Westerners to try and practice MT moves, the weight training is one more factor. I mean, the average Thai fighter starts at age 7yrl and almost never grow to more than 170lbs, their speed, flexibility and footwork is almost impossible to master. Us American's start training as adults and most of us are well over 170lbs so we are less flexible and slower before we even start training. So if you can manage training specifically for WL and PL and it not being a "distraction to my Muay Thai abilities" then you should consider yourself lucky to have superhuman genetics.


Also, I think you are completely out of reason with your assumptions about what The Omega Project is. Is not just about having a weight training program designed just for you, or creating a customized diet for your lifestyle. There is that and much more, many things you can't get from a Magazine. If Flex Magazine works for you, then thats fine and I respect your taste in literature. But I would never compare The Omega Project to a magazine... At least with Omega, you can tell him just what you think about his training program after doing it for a few weeks. You have feedback and 24hrs accesss, you can't say the same about the magazines that you read.

I have never and will never read Flex magazine. I get my training principles from Olympic athletes, and Olympic level coaches. My coach won the Arnold a few years back and was a 96 Olympian. He Clean & Jerked 201k at a BW of 74k when he won the Arnold.

My Muay Thai coach is Janjira Saekson. Very successful fighter, fighter of the year at Lumpeene, etc. (I am not spell checking this...lol). He is a flexabilty nut, and as a result of his training I am able to maintain my flexability. I am able to train for both through calories and conditioning. Same as anyone else I adapt.

One of his students, Pete Sprat, is extremely muscular, and extremely fast. He can DL over 2.5x his BW, and can squat about the same, and is a fantastic Muay THai fighter. (he was on one of the Ultimate Fighter shows... he lost b/c his JJ is dog shit, and that is even after training w/ Carlos Machado for a couple years)

I understand where EF is coming from bro - so I will step aside as I won't disrespect you or George. I just have a different opinion as to what makes someone an expert.

 

[Big Rick Rock]

I have never and will never read Flex magazine. I get my training principles from Olympic athletes, and Olympic level coaches. My coach won the Arnold a few years back and was a 96 Olympian. He Clean & Jerked 201k at a BW of 74k when he won the Arnold.

My Muay Thai coach is Janjira Saekson. Very successful fighter, fighter of the year at Lumpeene, etc. (I am not spell checking this...lol). He is a flexabilty nut, and as a result of his training I am able to maintain my flexability. I am able to train for both through calories and conditioning. Same as anyone else I adapt.

One of his students, Pete Sprat, is extremely muscular, and extremely fast. He can DL over 2.5x his BW, and can squat about the same, and is a fantastic Muay THai fighter. (he was on one of the Ultimate Fighter shows... he lost b/c his JJ is dog shit, and that is even after training w/ Carlos Machado for a couple years)

I understand where EF is coming from bro - so I will step aside as I won't disrespect you or George. I just have a different opinion as to what makes someone an expert.

I don't feel at all disrespected by you bro. You have an opinion and so do I, we just are just chitchatting among scholars. Nobody is being out of line.

I'm sorry if I misunderstood you, I only made the comment about flex since earlier you equated it to the project, I thought maybe you had experience with one of the two. I didn't think you would make a double assumption.


Its pretty cool you get your advice from top level coaches. Seem like you are very dedicated to your sport and you seek people who work with top level talent. You work with guys who work with people as dedicated to the sport as you. If they take the time to work with you it must be because you they see potential in you. By looking at your lifts and the intensity you project when you talk about your sport. I can see you live for this.

I think the point you missed was that this program is for the rest of the population. The ones who just want to be fit, healthy and look good naked. The ones who maybe are not as dedicated to a sport or looking to even compete. The guys who could use a little more motivation and forgiveness, than the average Olympic level athlete. Thats what Omega does for our members. Provide an atmosphere that keeps some otherwise unmotivated bodies WORKING!



Your MT coach must be great if Secret Weapon is seeking him for training. But again my point, look at Pete Spratt, is he training with your coach now, or did your coach make him from scratch? Any good trainer could build on his talent if they start training him after he has a base. I think that Pete would kick most guy's asses at a bar even if he had never trained. He just looks like he is built to fight... I'll be impressed the day I see a coach make a normal smart kid, into a professional fighter. Like this dude: http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?FighterID=6428





PS: I believe everything you said about your Muay Thai "coach", so please don't take this the wrong way. A lumpenee champion is to be respected, I think your Kru deserves credit for his work. I think he should contact Sherdog and have them update it on their website. Pete "Secret Weapon" Spratt fighter's page doesn't list a school. http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?FighterID=3195
They make mistakes like that some times with the events and stats so its not impossible for info to be incorrect. I think an e-mail gets the work done.

 

[al420]

Thats what Omega does for our members. Provide an atmosphere that keeps some otherwise unmotivated bodies WORKING!

That is by far the best explanation I have ever read, and I now have much more respect for what Omega is doing. I have never lacked heart or motivation but witness it daily in both gyms. These people don't lack heart in life, but training is not a 'love' for them, it is a 'thing'.

Your MT coach must be great if Secret Weapon is seeking him for training. But again my point, look at Pete Spratt, is he training with your coach now, or did your coach make him from scratch? Any good trainer could build on his talent if they start training him after he has a base. I think that Pete would kick most guy's asses at a bar even if he had never trained. He just looks like he is built to fight... I'll be impressed the day I see a coach make a normal smart kid, into a professional fighter. Like this dude: http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?FighterID=6428

Pete is Saekson 'invention' for a lack of a better term. So from scratch for sure.

http://www.saekson.com/instructors.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdlVVPFZEJc&feature=related

and our best current fighter - watch for this kid - he kicks like he wants to loose his leg - it is a baseball bat to him - you know the type!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTwxAczSz84&feature=related

Ramon Decker came to train with us 2x several years ago - I think he is the fiercest Muay Thai fighter ever. At least in recent times. He is tiny, and I was terrified of having to spar with him. I'm glad I didn't as a kid got his arm fractured blocking a kick, and Decker was wearing shin pads

I made a call and it seems like Sprat has floated around since his UFC stint, and Janjira (like most Muay Thai schools) is not a fan of his students training outside his walls. Pete went and trained w/ Master Toddy in Vegas and Janjira asked him not to return to the school. Sad, old school, but the way it is.