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strongchick

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Great flick.

Russell Crowe proves himself versatile and talented, again.

The film reminded me of my appreciation of genius and why most of my male 'friends' are geeks who have little or no social abilities. I'm a sucker for brilliance.

The film also made me feel, at least for two hours, that one can be successful if you apply yourself to something you truly love.

Brilliant people have always fascinated me and attracted me. Unfortunately, most of them do suffer from being ostracized by the world and never reach their true calling. Such a waste.

I was moved by a message in the film: that a schizophrenic's ailment can be compared to our dreams. Most of us learn to ignore our dreams so we can 'fit'. Seems like schizophrenic's just can't ignore theirs.


Any psycho authorities out there want to tell me if it is really possible to beat schizophrenia by simply ignoring the voices?
 
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strongchick said:

Any psycho authorities out there want to tell me if it is really possible to beat schizophrenia by simply ignoring the voices?
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as far as I know - never had it myself - but you don't know that they aren't really there.
the person with it doesn't see themselves as delusional or deranged (sp?) - they see themselves as normal - which they are - but their brain is experiencing hallucinations, usually auditory, but sometimes visually as well. sort of short circuiting the neurons.
in order to ignore things in life, you need to make a decision as to which is the one to pay heed to, and what is in your head - it is hard to tell if you hear it and see it right in front of you.

I spent time in the hospital in a psych ward and there was a woman there that would *only* converse with the piano and would only discuss Nixon era politics - loudly. She saw and heard something that she was convinced was the other end of her arguement, even though we couldn't see it - so most of the debates one heard were rather one sided.

There was another woman, she was older than the other. She heard God... must be nice to have god directly talking to you. He mostly told her who was good and who was bad - but occasionally she'd see fire in the hallways and then run around screaming about it.

Out of all of the people there, not a single one thought they were "crazy" or had anything wrong with them. It is hard to understand unless you go through it - but it is hard to see that what you are experiencing isn't real when your senses are telling you it is.



might be good for nordstrum to step in here - I think he might have more to say on this
 
found that an interesting question so I read in some newsgroups that are for the most part doctors discussing various things - in this case schizophrenia.

that movie was based on a real guy - nobel laureate John Nash, and he was in Princeton - an area where someone really smart but weird is pretty standard (no wonder my dad enjoyed it thre) - so he could get away with being weird there, and it was a good environment to retrain himself to recognize the incongrous (sp?) thoughts - whereas were he in a more uptight arrangement, the pressure to know what was really there and not would have more dire consequences (but he was in a place where it would largely be ignored if he was different).
so it worked for him.

there were others in the group that say it worked for them as well - but it takes time and generally the more likely scenerio is you can see when it is getting worse and then get on your meds again, or up them.

then there were a few docs that said that if one "recovers" from schizophrenia, then you were misdiagnosed and you had something else since there are so many maladies with similar side effects...

don't know, but the book sounds good - the movie looks very painful since hollywood had to add the love story, or at least weight it, and his accent is embarassing. saw several previews while waiting for Vanilla Sky, and the were two with Australian dudes doing Southern accents... poorly. Mel Giboson, and Russel Crowe. Tis the season.
 
HamsterHider said:
I THOUGHT YOU WERE A LESBIAN. WHY WOULD YOU WANT A PICTURE OF MY PECKER?
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hmmmm...........:dodgy:
 
Russell Crowe is an asshole in real life. I know this because most of the movie was filmed at my school. He was kicked out of Princeton cause he punched some student in the face...
 
BuggyWhips said:
Russell Crowe is an asshole in real life. I know this because most of the movie was filmed at my school. He was kicked out of Princeton cause he punched some student in the face...
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you go to princeton? I have some friends there and the dinner halls always amuse me.

a guy I work with (well, he recently left and moved to NJ), his wife is best friends with Mary MacCormick (sp?), she was in some movie with him (ressule crowe) - I think it was the hockey on mystery alaska - anyway, she HATED him. sounded like she had some fling with her and he was abusive and mean.

whatever - don't know - the info is far removed from me. he's a good actor though
 
strongchick said:
Great flick.

Russell Crowe proves himself versatile and talented, again.

The film reminded me of my appreciation of genius and why most of my male 'friends' are geeks who have little or no social abilities. I'm a sucker for brilliance.

The film also made me feel, at least for two hours, that one can be successful if you apply yourself to something you truly love.

Brilliant people have always fascinated me and attracted me. Unfortunately, most of them do suffer from being ostracized by the world and never reach their true calling. Such a waste.

I was moved by a message in the film: that a schizophrenic's ailment can be compared to our dreams. Most of us learn to ignore our dreams so we can 'fit'. Seems like schizophrenic's just can't ignore theirs.


Any psycho authorities out there want to tell me if it is really possible to beat schizophrenia by simply ignoring the voices?
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The damn movie was sold out, so I had to see Amelie instead -- pleasant, slightly goofy story.

R.D. Lang said schizophrenics were the most sensible people on the planet -- that the appropriate response to modern life is madness.

Thomas Szasz has written at length about the way mental illness is basically manufactured by the same people who undertake to treat it. His book, "The Manufacture of Madness," compares modern psychiatry to the Inquisition. One of his interesting chapters is to show how closely the situation of the homosexual (prior to 1970, anyway) fits that of the 15th century jew as scapegoat of the priesthood of psychiatry.

One interesting thing about the diagnosis and treatment of schizophrenia: It was blamed for years on insufficient mothering. Psychiatry has been famous (as I think Szasz notes) for continuing the misogyny that resulted in the Salem witchcraft trials. This misogyny pervades much of Freud's work and, via him, most of modern psychology. Anyway, we now know beyond any doubt that shizophrenia has nothing to do with mothering at all.

An interesting aspect of the movie I saw tonight, Amelie, is that the title character basically suffers something like mild schizophrenia but she is "healed" largely through her relationship to an artist (not too different from the film "Shakespeare in Love"). Artists have to be somewhat crazy to function in modern society and my own work has been to help people, especially creative types, cultivate "madness" rather than attempt to normalize themselves. I have been invited recently to begin working in a private school with gifted children who have this same problem of feeling pressured to become productive consumers/capitalists, when their intellects and passions call them to rather renegade destinies.

There are cases of full-blown schizophrenia where the patient has learned to recognize his own hallucinatory states, but they are rare. This is a good metaphor for the isolated state of the soul or psyche in many people, but a full-blown case of the disorder is something unique and mainly treated most effectively through drugs.
 
No i go to Fairleigh Dickinson University in Madison NJ. He wasnt allowed to film at Princeton anymore so they did a majority of the filming at my school cause I guess our main building- which is an old mansion from the 1800's looks the same.
I didnt see the movie as of yet, but their is a scene i saw in the commercial it looks like a ceremoney in a back yard of a large mansion of some sort- that was from our school. The were there last may finishing it up. One of the kids from our school actually found Russell's hotel room and begged him to let him have a part in it. I heard its good tho
 
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musclebrains said:


The damn movie was sold out, so I had to see Amelie instead -- pleasant, slightly goofy story.

R.D. Lang said schizophrenics were the most sensible people on the planet -- that the appropriate response to modern life is madness.

Thomas Szasz has written at length about the way mental illness is basically manufactured by the same people who undertake to treat it. His book, "The Manufacture of Madness," compares modern psychiatry to the Inquisition. One of his interesting chapters is to show how closely the situation of the homosexual (prior to 1970, anyway) fits that of the 15th century jew as scapegoat of the priesthood of psychiatry.

One interesting thing about the diagnosis and treatment of schizophrenia: It was blamed for years on insufficient mothering. Psychiatry has been famous (as I think Szasz notes) for continuing the misogyny that resulted in the Salem witchcraft trials. This misogyny pervades much of Freud's work and, via him, most of modern psychology. Anyway, we now know beyond any doubt that shizophrenia has nothing to do with mothering at all.

An interesting aspect of the movie I saw tonight, Amelie, is that the title character basically suffers something like mild schizophrenia but she is "healed" largely through her relationship to an artist (not too different from the film "Shakespeare in Love"). Artists have to be somewhat crazy to function in modern society and my own work has been to help people, especially creative types, cultivate "madness" rather than attempt to normalize themselves. I have been invited recently to begin working in a private school with gifted children who have this same problem of feeling pressured to become productive consumers/capitalists, when their intellects and passions call them to rather renegade destinies.

There are cases of full-blown schizophrenia where the patient has learned to recognize his own hallucinatory states, but they are rare. This is a good metaphor for the isolated state of the soul or psyche in many people, but a full-blown case of the disorder is something unique and mainly treated most effectively through drugs.
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Interesting....psych major....it's a great field....that's why i'm in it:)

Strongchick....haven't done a lot of research on that yet.....let me get my "big" book out and i'll do that......
 
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HappyScrappy said:



as far as I know - never had it myself - but you don't know that they aren't really there.
the person with it doesn't see themselves as delusional or deranged (sp?) - they see themselves as normal - which they are - but their brain is experiencing hallucinations, usually auditory, but sometimes visually as well. sort of short circuiting the neurons.
in order to ignore things in life, you need to make a decision as to which is the one to pay heed to, and what is in your head - it is hard to tell if you hear it and see it right in front of you.

I spent time in the hospital in a psych ward and there was a woman there that would *only* converse with the piano and would only discuss Nixon era politics - loudly. She saw and heard something that she was convinced was the other end of her arguement, even though we couldn't see it - so most of the debates one heard were rather one sided.

There was another woman, she was older than the other. She heard God... must be nice to have god directly talking to you. He mostly told her who was good and who was bad - but occasionally she'd see fire in the hallways and then run around screaming about it.

Out of all of the people there, not a single one thought they were "crazy" or had anything wrong with them. It is hard to understand unless you go through it - but it is hard to see that what you are experiencing isn't real when your senses are telling you it is.



might be good for nordstrum to step in here - I think he might have more to say on this
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Sad isn't it.....the ironic thing is that many mentally ill patients, especially chronic mentally ill, are very intelligent.
 
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