911 Conspiracy?

[CFZB]

quote ...I've studied and researched many of the most successful cult/religion/leader's and their "mind-control" tactic's, for the past few year's along with successful marketing/sale's method's and behavioral science's... From what I've read on his site, he just use's basic marketing and he does not use any form's of what you would call "mind control"... he just tell's the evidence/fact's... The media, on the other hand, does use "mind control" tactic's to mislead/lie and to literally instill and guide your "view" on issue's...we've all seen it with, for example, steroids and their false association with death/violence/rape/murder/etc... quote


i find this interesting.. more info please if you got it ...maybe start a thread?

 

[spongebob]

What use is a missile against a skyscraper? The plane (and fuel) impact would do far more damage than a missile strike, unless it was specially designed for it's target. One theory is that the burning jet fuel is what melted the structural beams, but the fuel would have been a flash fire and not sustainable for enough time to melt the beams. If the missile was designed to carry a substance that would sustain a fire at the temperatures long enough to melt the beams, that would explain a lot.

While those videos prove nothing, it is interesting. However, if there was something truly there then I doubt a website on the internet would be the first to notice. If something's there, someone more important would have found it by now.

there as been no findings at the site or evidence that the steel "melted". it takes very high temperatures to melt steel. the jet fuel probably burned at around 1400 degrees F. not hot enough. the failure was not due to melting of structural steel. the "structural" beams and columns were most likely just damaged by the intensity of the heat which caused deflection and eventually failure.

the jet-fuel was not a flash fire, 10,000 gallons of fuel doesnt just flash. it covered a couple of floors, each floor is an acre. the fuel was probably boiling at some points.

one of the only substances i think can burn hot enough to melt steel is aluminum or magnesium, close to 4000 degree's F. and the planes fusalage is made of aluminum and all they found was evidence of it melting, not burning. when theses two materials do burn they produce an extremely bright light, you would have seen it, so i dont know what material could have been used in the missile. assumming it was a missile.

it seems to me the planes with the fuel, along with the mechanical structure of the building were enough to bring them down without someone mounting a missile to a commercial jet airliner and somehow convincing someone into firing it right before running a plane into a building. because if we are going to believe that it was a conspiracy of this nature then it seems logical to assume that the hi-jackers were not al-queda, but one of our own.

 

[spongebob]

Hello?

Anybody else notice this?

It struck the side of the building....not the main structural support system. Almost all of the burning would have occured on one side of the main support systems.

the side of the building is the main structural support. it was made of columns place on 32" centers all around the perimiter. the inside contained no structural support other than the gravity bearing centing core. the planes intial impact damaged the structural support on two sides while the fire most likely consumed the entire floor. the structural support(the outside) experienced deflections and bulkeled. the clips(small pieces of steel holding the joises to the columns) were not strong enough for that.

 

[spongebob]

I'm sure it is.




Doesn't mean anything but I have seen tape of Goldstein saying that they ordered the pull of bldg 7 on the afternoon of 9/11. A pull is a controlled demolition.

Hard to believe at first but the man admits it on tape and after thinking about it and watching the collapse over and over again..........it is logical that bldg 7 was a controlled demolition.

Thing is........the charges had to have been planted prior to 9/11.

Also......all of the bldg collapses are identical and perfect. I believe they are all controlled demolitions for a multitude of reasons.

can you name one building that has collapsed due to any destructive force that toppled over. that is how buildings collapse, in a downward motion, controlled or not. for a building to topple over it must exceed somewhere around 50% of its base size in lateral deflection in order to lose its center of gravity. in other words engineers do not design top-heavy buildings. the WTC would have had to be vertically moved 100ft to the side in odrder to topple over instead of collapsing. gravity pulls things downward.

 

[spongebob]

"Trip"? Yup, you could say that...lol



I noticed that... think's for the link's, they are all intersting... The funny thing is, I believe this Alex Jone's guy and his so-called "conspiracie's" more-so than the stories given by the media... simply because of his use of these particular source's... and logic... I also noticed that from what little I've reviewed of his stuff, he never once contradicted himself OR contradicted one piece of evidence with another piece, something the gov. and media alway's seem to be doing and have mastered...

Now that I sit here and think about it...I feel like one of those "conspiracy nut's"...BUT, I guess I just have to accept the evidence (it is factual evidence after all)...

It's too bad that people get played into the "herd mentality", "cognitive dissonance", etc. in important issues such as this one, and will not even give this guy a chance...all because the "major-media" (and other "authority") say's he's a nut and tend to give any opossing information, the looked-down-upon "Conspiracy theory" label...when in reality, this is actually, from my overview of some of his material regarding this issue, a "Conspiracy Fact"... although, that's not to say that their is not any unknown information that can refute the exact detail's of 911... but I definantly now believe that some individual/s in our government "helped" with the 911 attack's...

I've read some other information on this guy, and people tend to accuse this guy of having a cult-like following (I guess to give him a bad name)...sorry...I've studied and researched many of the most successful cult/religion/leader's and their "mind-control" tactic's, for the past few year's along with successful marketing/sale's method's and behavioral science's... From what I've read on his site, he just use's basic marketing and he does not use any form's of what you would call "mind control"... he just tell's the evidence/fact's... The media, on the other hand, does use "mind control" tactic's to mislead/lie and to literally instill and guide your "view" on issue's...we've all seen it with, for example, steroids and their false association with death/violence/rape/murder/etc... The reason why this guy probably has a successful "following" is because the evidence he put's out there is explicit and verifiable... you cannot refute fact's...but it doesn't keep people from ignoring them and turning the other cheek if it's not what they believed or really want "it" to be...

Hopefully one day we will know the exact detail's of this situation from non-involved individual's...but I doubt it, due to mass panic/riot's, lost respect, lost trust, lost patriotism, assasination's and other thing's that you might not be able to predict...

Peace

i have yet to come across someone that is non-biased on this matter, on this side of it there always trying to sell something, books, radio time, whatever, they all have an agenda. read and re-read factual information and then try to analyze it on your own.

 

[spongebob]

"Trip"? Yup, you could say that...lol
The reason why this guy probably has a successful "following" is because the evidence he put's out there is explicit and verifiable... you cannot refute fact's...but it doesn't keep people from ignoring them and turning the other cheek if it's not what they believed or really want "it" to be...

yes but facts can have reasonable explanations and facts can also be spun.

 

[buddy28]

yes but facts can have reasonable explanations and facts can also be spun.

Hey man! Remember when we used to fight over this almost everyday a few years back??

How are you doing anyway?

 

[spongebob]

Hey man! Remember when we used to fight over this almost everyday a few years back??

How are you doing anyway?

LOL. i saw you posted on here and i laughed. man did that take up about two weeks of my life. i was going to bump that thread if i could find it. good to see you.

 

[buddy28]

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LOL. i saw you posted on here and i laughed. man did that take up about two weeks of my life. i was going to bump that thread if i could find it. good to see you.

Yea, you too It was our 'obsession' hahah

 

[Wazzup?]

i have yet to come across someone that is non-biased on this matter, on this side of it there always trying to sell something, books, radio time, whatever, they all have an agenda. read and re-read factual information and then try to analyze it on your own.

I have yet to come across anybody that is not biased or opinionated on any particualar issue... I have absolutely no problem with the guy making money with what he does, as he does what he does very good... ya gotta make a living somehow and ya might as well make it by doing something ya do well...

I have analyzed it somewhat, and what he's puzzled together with the evidence, fit's together more-so than any media/gov. report I've ever seen in the new's... But you'll notice in my post that I said "... although, that's not to say that their is not any unknown information that can refute the exact detail's of 911..." meaning, he could be a little off on puzzleing the evidence together...but I still believe, for the most part, that he is correct...

yes but facts can have reasonable explanations and facts can also be spun.

Here, try downloading this link that SlowTom gave: http://100777.com/media/911theroadtotyranny.asf?PHPSESSID=5603973926e9dbab52dbd5fb22a407a1 ...it take's an hour or 2 with DSL, but you might find it pretty interesting...I was just downloading it for a good laugh and entertainment...little did I know, that he would have a pretty good case...