9/11 conspiracy movie

[spongebob]

how does an entire 757 disintegrate? no pieces of the plane left behind at the scene of the crash?

i mean nothing dude. cmon.

i already explained how in my other post, it literally will decentigrate. no questions asked.

now take this one piece of evidence and apply what i said. conspiracy thoeries rely on the fact that you do not know the reality of the situation by way of ignorance. and i do not mean that in a bad way kak. it is just how they play on peoples inability to simply know everything about physics and chemistry etc.

 

[spongebob]

Seismic graphs show the fingerprints of a controlled demolition on the twin towers...

What about the recordings of radio transmissions from firefighters that were inside the building right before it collapsed saying that there were bombs going off all around them? Almost all of those recordings were destroyed, but not all.

What about the admission of the owner of the WTC admitting they pulled building 7 ( i.e. controlled demolition) in a PBS special?? How do you demolition a practically undamaged 47 story building in a matter of a couple hours, without prior knowledge? A 47 story building would take months of preparation and calculations for that type of precision demolition, yet they do it in a matter of hours? And why did they demo a practically undamaged building? What was in there that needed to be hidden? CIA headquarters, the mayors reinforced emergency command bunker, etc...

What about the numberous phone calls, e-mails, etc to people of importance telling them not to fly on 9-11, or not to go into work at the WTC that day. They got those notices well in advance of the events...

Why did Gov. Jeb Bush declare martial law in florida 2 days before 9-11, without any reason?? Unless he knew what was about to happen...
Check the florida website, here's a link to the executive order itself:
http://www.myflorida.com/eog_new/eog/orders/2001/september/eo2001-261-09-07-01.html

I could write a damn book with all the evidence I have (several gigabytes of documents, news articles, and scientific analysis reports), but... I need to get back to my mid-term that is due tomorrow. Maybe later I'll get into this more.

1. what do the seismic graghs of uncontrolled collapse look like?

the twin towers had a very unigue design. it was structurally supported around its perimenter. the inside was mainly air. how would you know what the seismic footprint would be. the floors collapsed before the the outer perimenter did.

2. i am only assumming here. but i will tell you i have been in mock emergency drills quite a bit. and when we had debreifings, you can bet someone is going to have totally wrong information about what actually happened. even the most experienced. what they probably heard was floors collapsing.

the rest i wont touch, not worth it because none of it proves anything. its all assumptions.

 

[spongebob]

An article written by the underwriter of the WTC complex:

The collapse of the WTC
by Kevin Ryan
Underwriters Laboratories
Thursday, Nov 11, 2004

The following letter was sent today by Kevin Ryan of Underwriters Laboratories to Frank Gayle of the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST). Underwriters Laboratories is the company that certified the steel componets used in the constuction of the World Trade Center towers. The information in this letter is of great importance.

Dr. Gayle,

Having recently reviewed your team's report of 10/19/04, I felt the need to contact you directly.

As I'm sure you know, the company I work for certified the steel components used in the construction of the WTC buildings. In requesting information from both our CEO and Fire Protection business manager last year, I learned that they did not agree on the essential aspects of the story, except for one thing - that the samples we certified met all requirements. They suggested we all be patient and understand that UL was working with your team, and that tests would continue through this year. I'm aware of UL's attempts to help, including performing tests on models of the floor assemblies. But the results of these tests appear to indicate that the buildings should have easily withstood the thermal stress caused by pools of burning jet fuel.

There continues to be a number of "experts" making public claims about how the WTC buildings fell. One such person, Dr. Hyman Brown from the WTC construction crew, claims that the buildings collapsed due to fires at 2000F melting the steel (1). He states "What caused the building to collapse is the airplane fuel…burning at 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit. The steel in that five-floor area melts." Additionally, the newspaper that quotes him says "Just-released preliminary findings from a National Institute of Standards and Technology study of the World Trade Center collapse support Brown’s theory."

We know that the steel components were certified to ASTM E119. The time temperature curves for this standard require the samples to be exposed to temperatures around 2000F for several hours. And as we all agree, the steel applied met those specifications. Additionally, I think we can all agree that even un-fireproofed steel will not melt until reaching red-hot temperatures of nearly 3000F (2). Why Dr. Brown would imply that 2000F would melt the high-grade steel used in those buildings makes no sense at all.

The results of your recently published metallurgical tests seem to clear things up (3), and support your team's August 2003 update as detailed by the Associated Press (4), in which you were ready to "rule out weak steel as a contributing factor in the collapse." The evaluation of paint deformation and spheroidization seem very straightforward, and you noted that the samples available were adequate for the investigation. Your comments suggest that the steel was probably exposed to temperatures of only about 500F (250C), which is what one might expect from a thermodynamic analysis of the situation.

However the summary of the new NIST report seems to ignore your findings, as it suggests that these low temperatures caused exposed bits of the building’s steel core to "soften and buckle." (5) Additionally this summary states that the perimeter columns softened, yet your findings make clear that "most perimeter panels (157 of 160) saw no temperature above 250C." To soften steel for the purposes of forging, normally temperatures need to be above1100C (6). However, this new summary report suggests that much lower temperatures were be able to not only soften the steel in a matter of minutes, but lead to rapid structural collapse.

This story just does not add up. If steel from those buildings did soften or melt, I’m sure we can all agree that this was certainly not due to jet fuel fires of any kind, let alone the briefly burning fires in those towers. That fact should be of great concern to all Americans. Alternatively, the contention that this steel did fail at temperatures around 250C suggests that the majority of deaths on 9/11 were due to a safety-related failure. That suggestion should be of great concern to my company.

There is no question that the events of 9/11 are the emotional driving force behind the War on Terror. And the issue of the WTC collapse is at the crux of the story of 9/11. My feeling is that your metallurgical tests are at the crux of the crux of the crux. Either you can make sense of what really happened to those buildings, and communicate this quickly, or we all face the same destruction and despair that come from global decisions based on disinformation and “chatter”.

Thanks for your efforts to determine what happened on that day. You may know that there are a number of other current and former government employees that have risked a great deal to help us to know the truth. I've copied one of these people on this message as a sign of respect and support. I believe your work could also be a nucleus of fact around which the truth, and thereby global peace and justice, can grow again. Please do what you can to quickly eliminate the confusion regarding the ability of jet fuel fires to soften or melt structural steel.

1. http://www.boulderweekly.com/archive/102104/coverstory.html 2. CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics, 61st edition, pg D-187 3. http://wtc.nist.gov/media/P3MechanicalandMetAnalysisofSteel.pdf 4. http://www.voicesofsept11.org/archive/911ic/082703.php 5. http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NCSTACWTCStatusFINAL101904WEB2.pdf (pg 11) 6. http://www.forging.org/FIERF/pdf/ffaaMacSleyne.pdf

Kevin Ryan

Site Manager Environmental Health Laboratories A Division of Underwriters Laboratories

this one is a piece of cake.

why do you think this letter was written?

liability.





everyone and anyone who was involved with anything to do with those towers are trying to exonerate themselves of liability. not a shocker there.

instead of trying to assume, read some materials published by independent engineers on the matter.

one factor he is leaving out regarding the temperatures required to melt steel is the fact that we simply do not know what damage was done by the impact of the planes themselves. we do not know how that may have weakened the 'clips' that held the joices to the outside perimenter.

but again, liability is really the issue here.

 

[spongebob]

I personally dont believe in 911 being about terrorists, I believe it's too perfect to have been carried out by them.

you speak as if they are stupid. bin laden is extremely educated, formally.

he has practiced terrorist warfare for some time now.

 

[spongebob]

So a whole 757 with all its passengers crashed and there is only 1 small piece of debris? (which could have easily been carried by man)

It is the first airplane crash in civil aviation where tons and tons of iron vanished (sublimation?)

Not even a trace of the engines......

yes that is what happens.

there is a video around that ive seen showing how a plane decenigrates.

again people, if you do not know, then find out. dont assume, that is what conspiracy nuts count on.

 

[spongebob]

again, conspiracy thoerist assume, they also present unanswered questions, with no answers. but it sure sounds interesting now dont it.

 

[spongebob]

Too many inconsistencies in the "government mind control story" to be ignored. Anyone that buys the 9/11 Commision line at this point is either a blind fool or mildly retarded.

I found it interesting that the buildings at the Trade Center complex were the only buildings in human history that collapsed from fire... and building 7 just happened to collapse....lmao (while it contained vital info pertinent to the "terrorist attack" and SEC filings). Also, the molten steel at the base of the towers? Too much to explain away. I think the general public kind of knows something sinister went down, but the cognitive dissonance of believing their precious governmant was the one that did it will not allow them to believe it.

this is getting quite boring. 'the only buildings in history to collaspe from fire'.

for anyone to make such a complicated situation into such a simplistic situation obviously is not serious about learning what really went on.

THE FIRE DID NOT CAUSE THE COLLASPE OF TWC!!

read that ten times and then think to yourself, wtf is sponge talking about. eventually you will understand.

 

[spongebob]

That's fine. He declared martial law on the 7th. On this map, I circled where the hurricane was on the 7th, clearly not on a path anywhere near Florida. Not only that, it had weakend to a tropical depression....

Oh, and why didn't Gov. Jeb Bush notify the public that he declared martial law? Minor details...

what do you mean clearly not on a path towards florida? you only know that after the fact, did you know where it was headed on the 7th?


but really why argue about it, why dont you just tell us why he declared martial law, that would be a lot easier.

 

[spongebob]

Agency planned drill for plane crash last Sept. 11
Associated Press
August 22, 2002

WASHINGTON -- In what the government describes as a bizarre coincidence, one U.S. intelligence agency was planning an exercise last Sept. 11 in which an errant aircraft crashed into one of its buildings. But the cause wasn't terrorism -- it was to be a simulated accident.
Officials at the Chantilly, Va.-based National Reconnaissance Office had scheduled an exercise that morning in which a small corporate jet crashed into one of the four towers at the agency's headquarters building after experiencing a mechanical failure.
The agency is about four miles from the runways of Washington Dulles International Airport.
Agency chiefs came up with the scenario to test employees' ability to respond to a disaster, said spokesman Art Haubold. To simulate the damage from the plane, some stairwells and exits were to be closed off, forcing employees to find other ways to evacuate the building.
"It was just an incredible coincidence that this happened to involve an aircraft crashing into our facility," Haubold said. "As soon as the real world events began, we canceled the exercise."
Terrorism was to play no role in the exercise, which had been planned for several months, he said.
Adding to the coincidence, American Airlines Flight 77 -- the Boeing 767 that was hijacked and crashed into the Pentagon -- took off from Dulles at 8:10 a.m. on Sept. 11, 50 minutes before the exercise was to begin. It struck the Pentagon around 9:40 a.m., killing 64 aboard the plane and 125 on the ground.
The National Reconnaissance Office operates many of the nation's spy satellites. It draws its personnel from the military and the CIA.
After the Sept. 11 attacks, most of the 3,000 people who work at agency headquarters were sent home, save for some essential personnel, Haubold said.
An announcement for an upcoming homeland security conference in Chicago first noted the exercise.
In a promotion for speaker John Fulton, a CIA officer assigned as chief of NRO's strategic gaming division, the announcement says, "On the morning of September 11th 2001, Mr. Fulton and his team ... were running a pre-planned simulation to explore the emergency response issues that would be created if a plane were to strike a building. Little did they know that the scenario would come true in a dramatic way that day."
The conference is being run by the National Law Enforcement and Security Institute.

so what is your theory as to why this happened, if you dont believe it was mere coincidence?

 

[spongebob]

The FBI knew.

did they? who in the fbi specifically knew?