9/11 conspiracy movie

[ass_face]

this is getting quite boring. 'the only buildings in history to collaspe from fire'.

for anyone to make such a complicated situation into such a simplistic situation obviously is not serious about learning what really went on.

THE FIRE DID NOT CAUSE THE COLLASPE OF TWC!!

Exactly ... the charges that were placed inside the buildings did. Now you are getting it.... don't give me the melted steel bullshit... that explanation never made sense. There is no way it could have been exposed to the amount of heat it would have taken to melt the hi grade steel. Also, Buiding 7 just happens to fall down...lmao. It wasn't even touched. I do not claim to know what the truth is, but it is certainly not the government line.

 

[beefcake28]

instead of trying to assume, read some materials published by independent engineers on the matter.

Easy enough...

Seismic info:

http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/guardian/WTC/Seismic/WTC_LDEO_KIM.htm#seismic

http://janedoe0911.tripod.com/Shake.html

Other analysis:

http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html

http://www.wpi.edu/News/Transformations/2002Spring/steel.html

http://911research.wtc7.net/disinfo/experts/articles/bazant_jem/bazant_zhou.html

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/wtc_ch2.htm

http://911research.wtc7.net/papers/dustvolume/volumev3_1.html

http://911research.wtc7.net/papers/trumpman/CoreAnalysisFinal.htm

http://911review.com/articles/griffin/nyc1.html

I'll post more later later...

 

[redguru]

Exactly ... the charges that were placed inside the buildings did. Now you are getting it.... don't give me the melted steel bullshit... that explanation never made sense. There is no way it could have been exposed to the amount of heat it would have taken to melt the hi grade steel. Also, Buiding 7 just happens to fall down...lmao. It wasn't even touched. I do not claim to know what the truth is, but it is certainly not the government line.

Steel exponentially decreases its tensile strength with the application of heat. Steel doesn't need to melt to weaken significantly. How many courses in metallurgy have you taken? From that statement, it seems NONE.

 

[spongebob]

Easy enough...

Seismic info:

http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/guardian/WTC/Seismic/WTC_LDEO_KIM.htm#seismic

http://janedoe0911.tripod.com/Shake.html

Other analysis:

http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html

http://www.wpi.edu/News/Transformations/2002Spring/steel.html

http://911research.wtc7.net/disinfo/experts/articles/bazant_jem/bazant_zhou.html

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/wtc_ch2.htm

http://911research.wtc7.net/papers/dustvolume/volumev3_1.html

http://911research.wtc7.net/papers/trumpman/CoreAnalysisFinal.htm

http://911review.com/articles/griffin/nyc1.html

I'll post more later later...

ill read some of that when i can, i may not even respond.

for the first year or so after 9-11 i read tons of shit, i got into a good debate about all this with another member that is no longer here. we covered a lot of material.

then we rekindled it about a year ago, maybe more. we covered all of this.

so tbh im not interested in submersing myself again the way i did. but i will read up again and refresh myself.

its interesting but really ive read tons of material and im just not gonna change my mind. that may sound close minded but its not, ive done my own research and read enough.

 

[ass_face]

Steel exponentially decreases its tensile strength with the application of heat. Steel doesn't need to melt to weaken significantly. How many courses in metallurgy have you taken? From that statement, it seems NONE.

According to what I have read... the steel used in the Trade Centers was rated for 2800 degrees and for it to melt it would have to be subjected to that for 4 hours. We are talking 2000 degrees for 50 minutes. It doesn't add up.

 

[redguru]

According to what I have read... the steel used in the Trade Centers was rated for 2800 degrees and for it to melt it would have to be subjected to that for 4 hours. We are talking 2000 degrees for 50 minutes. It doesn't add up.

It doesn't have to melt to lose it's structural integrity.

 

[ass_face]

It doesn't have to melt to lose it's structural integrity.

Ok, lets say it loses its stuctural integrity... It is still surrounded by tons of concrete... and the remaining lower floors are perfectly intact. Why would the entire building collapse? No other building hit by a plance or on fire has ever collapsed. I can see a few floors collapsing in (and even that is improbable). Clearly you can see charges going off below. Also, the molten steel at the base makes no sense unless a charge went off at the bottom.

I think people can argue this forever... those that want to believe the fairy tail will... it comforts them.

 

[redguru]

This is the stress/strain curve for structural steel even at relatively low temperatures. Notice how the increase in temperature creates an exponential decay in the steel tolerance to stress vs strain.

As the floors collapsed, each floor then had to bear the weight load of the previous floor plus the floors on top of it. The building was designed so the center supported the weight of the floors independently. This stress created the top down compression you saw in the collapse of the towers.

The smoke you saw as the towers began to fall from the bottom of the building was created as the air is compressed and it seeks an exit. The buildings were very airy at the bottom and a majority of the dust cloud would be created there just as if you squashed a pringles can straight down.

 

[spongebob]

Ok, lets say it loses its stuctural integrity... It is still surrounded by tons of concrete... and the remaining lower floors are perfectly intact. Why would the entire building collapse? No other building hit by a plance or on fire has ever collapsed. I can see a few floors collapsing in (and even that is improbable). Clearly you can see charges going off below. Also, the molten steel at the base makes no sense unless a charge went off at the bottom.

I think people can argue this forever... those that want to believe the fairy tail will... it comforts them.

look dude, you obviously have no clue. with the statements you are making. it simply does not matter what other buildings have done, TWC had a unique design, i suggest you read up about it. when you do you will realize that the steel did not have to melt.

answer me this, do you know what a joice is?
do you know what a 'clip' is.
do you know how the joice were tied to the outside perimenter?
the goddamn building did not collaspe because a plane hit it, it did not collaspe because of a fire. it collapsed for multiple reasons and for you to simplify it into, "no bldg has ever collasped due to a plane hitting it" or " no bldg has ever collapsed because of fire" is rediculously simplistic and tells me you have no brain.

read independent reputable engineers on the matter.

for the love of god quit regurgitating conspiracy websites, think for yourself if you can.

watch the video of the blgd collasping.

the upper floors fell onto the lower floors pancake style. gravity helped. thats how bldgs fall, straight down. name one building that has toppled over.

another factor you are not smart enough to realize and what the nuts are not telling you about the molted steel at the bottom is that not only is heat a factor but time is as well. the amount of time the fire blazed in the core of the debris caused it to molt.

read more than just nutcase sites.

 

[spongebob]

It doesn't have to melt to lose it's structural integrity.

what assface simply doesnt understand because he hasnt read anything else other than conspiracy sites is how the bldg was put together. the steel joices do not have to melt. that is stupid.

they were attached to the outside perimenter(where the load is carried) by clips.

its not seam welded as one piece. when the plane hit it structurely weakened that system. the heat contributed after the fact. now once any more of a load is place on it those clips simply pulled apart from the columns.

but thats what they do, they concentrate on one factor and claim that that one factor could not have doen it, he's fixated on the temp without even know the structural design of the bldg but yet he wants to run his mouth because he read some conspiracy nutcase sites.

my guess is he knows very little about what he is regurgitating.