8 weeks Dbol, 4 weeks Winny

[jock52]

Ok ok... I know that its a long time to be running orals, but has anyone ever done something like this before??? If so, what were your results? What other products did you take to keep liver values and BP in check. Any input would be greatly appreciative. Looking to run something like this come September/October for some winter bulking...

 

[Arabian]

I would not suggest it based on the adverse effect on your live however if you are so inclined to do, you should get some milk thistle and some other liver cleansing agents.. what are you doing for bloat and your post recovery?

 

[jock52]

I would not suggest it based on the adverse effect on your live however if you are so inclined to do, you should get some milk thistle and some other liver cleansing agents.. what are you doing for bloat and your post recovery?

I would say bloat is inevitable with Dbol, but for post recovery I'd probably run some Nolvadex. I would definitely run some liver cleansing agents with something like this... any suggestions on which ones have worked best for you?

 

[cobracock1979]

why not run test/ dbol?

PCT HCG+nolva+sustain+post cycle+unleashed - this will detox the liver

 

[Burpees]

I take 2g of Milk Thistle a day..along with some natural herbs for your liver/kidneys, they are sort of water pills too..

 

[Cardinal Slin]

Honestly, this varies and depends from person to person but if you are not hammering your liver with other substances, a 12 week oral cycle dbol and winny should be fine. Most people overreact and tell you not to, it will kill your liver etc. Simple to get a test down 6 weeks in to it and then at 10 weeks. Drink plenty plenty of water and have a multi vit / min with food along with milk thistle.

 

[KD1]

8 weeks Dbol, 4 weeks Winny = 2 weeks ICU.

 

[littleb]

Honestly, this varies and depends from person to person but if you are not hammering your liver with other substances, a 12 week oral cycle dbol and winny should be fine. Most people overreact and tell you not to, it will kill your liver etc. Simple to get a test down 6 weeks in to it and then at 10 weeks. Drink plenty plenty of water and have a multi vit / min with food along with milk thistle.

I agree it varies person to person, but 12 weeks is way too long for a 17aa steroid... just no other way around it, possible risks and long term damage do not out weigh the positives, especially since you could just run some injectable test and get the same results without the heavy risks......

 

[Cardinal Slin]

I agree it varies person to person, but 12 weeks is way too long for a 17aa steroid... just no other way around it, possible risks and long term damage do not out weigh the positives, especially since you could just run some injectable test and get the same results without the heavy risks......

Honestly, and with all respect intended, 12 weeks of a 17aa - as you put it - is not as bad as everyone makes it out to be. There are numerous other medications far more hepatoxic to the liver that docs will prescribe without telling you to take this or that. The liver continues to function as normal even if 70% + of it has been damaged and can repair itself back to 100 % quite efficiently. Although I am not recommending a 12 week course of winny and dbol to everyone out there (again varies on dose) - it will, in most cases, not be as detrimental as everyone will tell you - mostly from what they have read others tell them.

I am soon to be ending a cycle started off with 100mg winny a day (along with test) went down to 50mg a day while running 20mg dbol alongside. Stopped the winny after about 5-6 wks and went on dbol at between 50-60mgs a day. With a liver supplement (detoxifying thing) and 8 litres of water a day, I am not experiencing any problems.

Could just be me - but a lot of people say what they have heard, not what they have experienced.

Around 10 years ago people would run winny for 12 wks + (vets on this board) with no problems. I am certain some people run it for longer although I am not recommending or suggesting to try it.
A lot of water, normal milk thistle, a multi vit and mineral should ensure normal function if the substances are only used for 12 weeks. Of course, nothing more safe than a relatively cheap test to confirm half way in to the cycle.

 

[Cardinal Slin]

8 weeks Dbol, 4 weeks Winny = 2 weeks ICU.

Honestly, to say 8 weeks of dbol and 4 weeks of winny would put someone in ICU for 2 weeks is a joke.

No offence intended but seriously, ICU? Where did you hear that from?

 

[Cardinal Slin]

PS. Everyone up in this house is saying it's too much but no one has even bothered asking his dose....

 

[jock52]

PS. Everyone up in this house is saying it's too much but no one has even bothered asking his dose....

The only reason I can't run test is because where I'm heading I can't use injectables hence the reason I can only run orals...

 

[littleb]

Honestly, and with all respect intended, 12 weeks of a 17aa - as you put it - is not as bad as everyone makes it out to be. There are numerous other medications far more hepatoxic to the liver that docs will prescribe without telling you to take this or that. The liver continues to function as normal even if 70% + of it has been damaged and can repair itself back to 100 % quite efficiently. Although I am not recommending a 12 week course of winny and dbol to everyone out there (again varies on dose) - it will, in most cases, not be as detrimental as everyone will tell you - mostly from what they have read others tell them.

I am soon to be ending a cycle started off with 100mg winny a day (along with test) went down to 50mg a day while running 20mg dbol alongside. Stopped the winny after about 5-6 wks and went on dbol at between 50-60mgs a day. With a liver supplement (detoxifying thing) and 8 litres of water a day, I am not experiencing any problems.

Could just be me - but a lot of people say what they have heard, not what they have experienced.

Around 10 years ago people would run winny for 12 wks + (vets on this board) with no problems. I am certain some people run it for longer although I am not recommending or suggesting to try it.
A lot of water, normal milk thistle, a multi vit and mineral should ensure normal function if the substances are only used for 12 weeks. Of course, nothing more safe than a relatively cheap test to confirm half way in to the cycle.

As i said i agree everybody is different and reacts different to various compounds, but i stand by 12 weeks is too long even at a fairly mild dose....I know a lot of vets have done 12+ weeks of 17aa cycles,, that does not make it safe,,thats the whole "well he did it, so its ok" principle... I am not saying that it will kill you by any means, I am just saying it is not good for you..
It just strikes me as weird how many bros bb and want to be in peak shape on the out side but through caution to the wind when it comes to the inside...
And again you are correct the liver is very very resiliant, but only to a point and only for so long,,think about it people die every day from liver and kidney failure,, the point being there is a point where the damage is too great for repair...
I also mean no disrespect, just a friendly debate, but I strongly believe in being safe when using any steroids, it is the people who are not safe and hurt themselves that get the press and make the news and give the rest of us a bad rap.....

 

[Latamier]

If you choose to do this I would be drinkink 2-3 gallons of water a day. This will definately help.Taking liver protectants are also a great idea, but most people forget how important water is. Definately have liver enzymes performed at the half way point and again at the end. The liver is the one organ in the body that can repair itself. Hopefully yours will not be too pissed off at you to do this.

 

[needtogetaas]

I would not suggest it based on the adverse effect on your live

And thats when you stop.

 

[Unit 2005]

obviously everyone is different but milk thistle and detoxers asdide 12 weeks on 17aas is a hell of a long time.

 

[lartinos]

shitty cycle