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CB38AC

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I am on 150mg Fina ED 50mg Winny and 350mg prop a week and will be adding clen for a few weeks...

I was doing keot but now I wanna gain some muscle too...

If I eat liek this it should be possible right?

400g protein 100-150g carbs and as little fat as is possible around 20 grams

Keto worked nice for me but I need to loose the last few % and gain muscle
 
I dont care about energy... I can suffer... I will time my carbs before workout and in the AM...

I figured on fina my body will use protein so efficiencly and anticatabolic that I will be forced to burn fat...

I may be wrong but I want a reason...

I am not trying to argue I just like to hear your thoughs and theories as to why something might or might not work
 
CB38AC said:
I dont care about energy... I can suffer... I will time my carbs before workout and in the AM...

I figured on fina my body will use protein so efficiencly and anticatabolic that I will be forced to burn fat...

I may be wrong but I want a reason...

I am not trying to argue I just like to hear your thoughs and theories as to why something might or might not work

I really don;t know what to say inr egards of being on gear and coming off keteo..but i do personally think your calorie ratio is off. You say screw energy, but let me say that energy just doesn't mean feeling tired, having energy also means being able to run basic life functions like your digestive system and such. Would you agree you want your body running in top condition to get top results? I bet you would.

As far as I know from reading and reading over the months and years is that carbs are the preferred source of energy for your body. It's very easily converted to glucose. Now..if you are coming off keto, i guess it would make sense to keep carbs low for a small while, to get your body used to the carb intake again (if indeed there even is a window of "getting used to carbs" again, i really don't know, but most people say that you can't jump right back into eating carbs like normal after keto).

Anywya, if you want to put muscle back on, there's no way you;re going to do it with low fat and low carbs, even while on gear. Your body needs the protein for muscle building, and either the carbs or fat for general energy..These ratios don't show enough carbs or fat to provide a good amount of energy to keep your body running 100% and being able to also add muscle as well. try 60-30-10 or 50-40-10
 
yup...listen to Burning Inside...I'm on a 60-30-10 and i like it alot...keto is just too extreme for me, i loose the weight too fast and i lose a ton of muscle.
 
Then I guess keto is the only way to go then??? this really pisses me off theres gotta be some other kind of diet...

I don't like keto cause of the low protein and I can't Have high carbs my body HATES them...

What else can I do??

What about 60/30/10 protein/carbs/fat??

Basically I just need to find basic diet outline other than ketosis...

I might go back to it I guess because it seems to be the only way to loose fat but the low protein BLOWS
 
yup...listen to Burning Inside...I'm on a 60-30-10 and i like it alot...keto is just too extreme for me, i loose the weight too fast and i lose a ton of muscle.

how do you find this is working for you?? are you cutting on this diet?
i'm interested..
WM
 
sicklydiesel said:
yup...listen to Burning Inside...I'm on a 60-30-10 and i like it alot...keto is just too extreme for me, i loose the weight too fast and i lose a ton of muscle.

lucky you,. i wish i could lose it faster..i think im not eating enuogh so i am bumping cals for a few weeks and see what happens
 
I dont wanna go back on TKD but I will...

ckd DESTROYED my training but it just sucks eating like 200 grams of protein when on so much juice
 
You need to prioritize your goals 1st, either lose the last bit of fat or gain muscle b/c the approach for either one will be different. The hormonal environment to lose fat is totally opposite of what is required to gain muscle. That being said there is no need to do a keto diet to lose fat. It is VERY clear there is little advantage of a keto diet over others with individuals at low bodyfat, at least in terms of muscle preservation and fat loss (calorie control can often be better). Most people on this board have a hard-on for keto diets and while they can be useful, they are nowhere near as incredible as people wish to believe. Theres a lot of false statements, like raising fat intake or a 70/30 ratio of fat to protein to achieve ketosis. The fact is raising fat has NOTHING to do w/ muscle preservation, fat acts to affect hormones to a degree and as a calorie ballast since carbs and proteins have to remain fairly low in order to achieve ketosis, and fat is included to keep calories from going too low. Make no mistake, eat too little protein and tons of fat and you WILL lose muscle, the studies clearly show this. The issue of 70/30 probably comes from Dan's totally outdated book BodyOpus. This ratio means NOTHING, as ketosis will READILY develop during TOTAL STARVATION, or a Protein Sparing Modified Fast (all protein and almost no fat). The ratios dont matter, keeping carbs under 100g (most say below 30) but anything under 100 is technically keto, and protein about .9-1g per lb., will allow ketosis to develop. Fat is included to make up the difference in calories.

If you want to put some size on i'd say definitely add more carbs, and even some fat (20%) of total cals supplementing w/ fish oils. A 50% protein/30% carbs/20%f fat diet would be awesome for mass gains if you dont tolerate carbs well, including high post-workout carbs. What is more important than ratios is total cals, and you obviously have to eat over your maintenance level to gain mass. If on the juice it would be wise to keep protein high (2g per lb) If I were you though I would focus on losing the remaining fat 1st, then add size.
And if losing fat is your 1st priority Then of course calories are issue number 1. That being said I still like to know my diet ratios and the ratio you mention is very similar to mine while cutting. I dont handle fats well, nor do I handle carbs. (I've done keto and higher carbs) and was always dissappointed w/ the results. Best cutting results ALWAYS came from a very high protein, low carb/low fat diet similar to yours. With 1-2 days of VERY high carbs (refeeds) to refill glycogen and boost leptin levels.
 
Thankyou for the long post...

I know all of what you said verywell but I want you all to understand I am 5'10 210 at about 9-10%

Not a fat ass or small guy by any means
 
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