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40mg Var - Week 2 Results/thoughts

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Ever wonder what made Paul Bunyan so strong??? It was his BLUE OX !!!!!!!


Sorry to hear some people are feeling NOTHING from their vars. I hope there are not bunk pills going around. All I know is whatever I've got... is obviously working. Been being rock hard and vascular ALL the time and experiencing pumps like no other.


See my week 1 thread for details on my dosing, progress pictures, pics of the var, etc.
http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=158172


Post any questions here, sometimes I am very busy. I'll eventually get back to you.



Starting Stats: (07/07/02)

Age: 21
Ht: 5' 9"
Wgt : 160
Bf : 10%


Today (07/24/02 - Day 18)

Wgt : 165
BF : 8% !!!!

see pics from thread above.


First a rough nutrient breakdown then my training:



071402

Cal 3216.5
Pro 180.86
Fat 73.05
Car 454.31

071502

Cal 2763.25
Pro 181.83
Fat 74.61
Car 332.28

071602

Cal 3425.5
Pro 192.27
Fat 56.62
Car 522.05

071702

Cal 2908.5
Pro 176.09
Fat 65.66
Car 398.13

071802

Cal 3301.75
Pro 261.43
Fat 56.05
Car 414.56

071902

Cal 3542.5
Pro 209.04
Fat 65.51
Car 524.62

072002

Cal 3092.5
Pro 201.01
Fat 73.36
Car 400.35



Total Cal intake : 22250 (avg 3178 / day) * almost identical to week 1. not surprised since I eat the SAME THINGS OVER AND OVER :) *
Total Pro intake: 1403.52 (avg 200 / day) ** HIT MY GOAL ** I avg'ed 150 a day the first week (see other post) GOAL FOR WEEK THREE - 225 grams avg day


Prot Carb Ratio: 0.45 (my goal is .50 ratio)

Ratios for total calorie intake - Week 2

Carbs / Fat / Protein
55% 19% 25%

Goal ratio is: 50 / 20 / 30. Very hard to achieve. Protein ratio went up 5% from week 1. I will continue to tweak my diet until I get this right!



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TRAINING

First let me say, that I injured my back 2 months ago (being stupid trying to deadlift more than I actually could). My back has been tweaked ever since. I

have to get it popped into place every other week. :(. This only affects my squatting and deadlifting. The deadlift is my absolute favorite lift. There is

nothing I can really do about this. -- Training revolves around CORE movements and intense sprint/speed work. I never spend more than 45 minutes during a

lifting session. Warm-up, in, and out!


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070702 - Quad Dominant Legs
Box Squats : 3 x 10 (about 70% max. explosive)
One legged ext: 3 dropsets x 8
Leg Press : 3 x 6 (last set. to failure)

- Felt nothing special after this workout.

070802 - Chest / Tris
Pec minor pullover : 3 sets
Decline DB Press : 4 sets x 6
Flat Bench : 2 sets x 10 (explosive)

V Bar pulldowns : 3 sets
2-handed Tri ext DB : 2 sets x 5 (HEAVY)
Skullcrushers : 2 sets x 8 ; 1 set x burnout
immediately did close-grip bench till burnout with the same bar after burning out my tris

- I noted in my log that I had a huge chest pump. On var day 2? Maybe of been a placebo effect :).

070902 - OFF

071002 - Back / Bis
Jogged quarter mile
Seated Rows "V" bar: 4 sets x 12/10/8/6 (pyramid up to 90% max)
Reardelt flye machine: 2 sets x 8 (I had never used this machine. I noted in my log that I felt gay while doing it. HAH)
Lat pulldowns - 3 sets x 10 (back was PUMPED after this)
Wide-grip chinups - 1 set to failure (about 8 reps if I remember)

(My bis were already starting to pump from doing those lat pulldowns and widegrip chins!)
Standing Barbell curl : 4 sets x 7
Incline Hammer DB : 3 setes x 6 (seated on a bench with a 45 deg incline to isolate the bis)
Standing Barbell reverse curl: 2 sets x just the bar (burnout)
Wide-grip chins: 1 set to failure again

- noted that I could not bend my arms to my shoulders past 90 degrees for about 10 minutes after completing the workout. WOAH. also noted amazing vasc in my back and arms when I got home from the gym. the VAR was KICKIN! not placebo this time.


071102 - Cardio / Abs
will not bore you

071202 - OFF

071302 - Ham Dominant Legs
Ran one lap (1/11 mile)
Stretched for 10 minutes (felt tight)
Deadlifts: 4 x 15 (very light weight. explosive. Great deal of discomfort in my back, so i stopped early)
Seated Leg curls: 3 x 12

Power Cleans: 5 sets x 1 rep (explosive)
Took a dump : 1 set (explosive) :-) WONDER IF ANYONE IS ACTUALLY READING ALL OF THIS.
Reverse hypers : 3 x 12 (I have to put plate under the front of the hyper machine and do the machine backwards. People look at me like I have no idea what

I am doing. I get a big kick out of seeing how people react to me working out. Its like these people have never seen a deadlift or powerclean before)

- I noted I was upset with myself after this workout. My back prevented me from deadlifting like I used to. That is the most important LIFT in my opinion. I did not write about any leg pump as I did not train them hard enough to really achieve anything. Sadly, the powercleans were the most effective thing on this day... didn't even plan to do them. I was just pissed about my back hurting and NEED TO LET IT OUT. My answer was POWER CLEAN nearly my max for 5 sets :-). My strength had to be up, because I doubt I could of done that many 1 rep powercleans on a normal day.

071402

Speed Bench Work
Jumprope
attempted Good mornings (my back said "no")
Took the day off

- Traps and chest were very sore.. probably due to the powercleans the previous day.


071502 - OFF

- *DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME* I messed around with an e-stim machine my sister let me borrow (she is in physical therapy school). I put the electrodes on my chest and did plyo pushups (close grip pushup...pushing yourself up violently and landing widegrip... pushing yourself back up violently... and landing
closegrip again.. you get the idea). I found it too hard to do this with the machine ON. I set the machine to go on for 30 seconds then off for 30 seconds. I would allow the machine to work my chest for 30 seconds, then right when the machine clicks off, I would do as many plyo pushups as possible before the machine came back on. I did this for about 15 minutes. My chest was not getting any rest AT ALL, and I was incredibly sore in areas of my chest I had not felt before. Yeah, I'm crazy. -- Oh and this is not one of those AB ENERGIZER machines you see TV and this was not a TENS (trans electric neuro stim) unit either. This was an actual e-stim machine. I do not have access to
it anymore (her summer classes are over). This is a good thing, as I am sure, I would probably seriously hurt myself if I had access to that machine everyday :o.


071602 - SPRINTS (the FUN begins!!!)
jogged roughly a mile until I found a field suitable for my sprints.

30 meters x 4 (90 sec rest)
50 meters x 2 (90 sec rest)
lots of light jogging --> sprinting 20 yards --> jogging. Worked on running tall and relaxed. not speed here.

jogged roughly a mile back to my car

- Sprints take a lot out of you. Noted my shins were hurting toward the end, and that I should have ice on hand next time for post-workout.

071702 - OFF (always take 36 hours off after a SPRINT routine)
I did do some anterior tibialis work to help prevent further shin prob (5lb ankle weights around my foot.. spell the alphabet.. the chinese

alphabet...until you cannot do it anymore. Repeat with the other leg. I did 3 sets each leg).


071802 - Shoulders / Light abs (evening workout. over 36 hours passed since SPRINTS)
Boring stuff. lots of rot cuff work

071902 - Chest / Back
Supersetted with Flat Bench and Seated Rows
8 sets total - 4 of each. Bench was speed work whereas the rows were HEAVY and lower reps.

3 sets x incline bench
Chinups - 4 sets x 6 (last set till failure)

- Short little workout. Noted I had to leave early to pickup my car. Pump was again... unusally intense.

072002 - Quad Dom legs + plyo work
Air Squats (not that popular of a machine. Weight is "air pressure." I chose to use it because of my gimp back. I like this machine because there is no tension on my back and I can simply EXPLODE up from the squat position...to the point where I leave the ground. A jump squat without all the risk)

Air squat: 5 sets x 4 (exploding up leaving the ground)
between each set, I did 10 burpees. This killed me. I gave myself one minute rest after I finished the burpees before resuming the air squats)

Box Squat : 1 set x OUCH my back
lowered the weight : 5 sets exploding up

- noted that I needed to go see the "back guy" SOON

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So there you have it. Week 2 completed. I am in the middle of week 3. STRENGTH is up. I have also noticed my apetite increasing. It may have been a tad suppressed during the first 2 weeks. NOW only if I can get my back better... then I'd start tearing apart the gym.
Another thing I would like to note is that I started seeing puffy nips on Day 10. Var is not supposed to give you gyno, but it is my belief that any time you raise T levels... your going to get an increase in E levels as well. I started taking 10 capsules Soloray Vitex (standardized 325mg) a day when I started noticing my nips puffing. That eliminated the problem and also seems to have increased my libido. I had no libido change during weeks 1 and 2. But now my libido is way UP. -- I may have to write up another post on my supplementing. SOME OTHER DAY. My fingers hurt.

GOOD LUCK TO ALL THE BROS trying out the Var.

PJECT
 
yes great post...puffy nips huh? Crazy. How much Vitex you use to rid that ordeal? Glad to hear your getting great results. Hope your back gets better. I hurt my lower back doing deads too. It fucks with me all the time...to wear I can't stand straight up- I don't know what to do cause it just get's aggravated outta nowhere. I can bend the wrong way and I'm fucked :mad: - keep us posted - keep up the good work.

SOLID
 
thats good that you guys are both getting great results, wish i could say the same for everyone else using this 40mg var.. PLEASE KEEP US POSTED!
 
solid2,

I am using 10 caps of Soloray Vitex a day. It should be well over 3 grams of Vitex I think. The label confuses me.. Here is what it says:

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Serving Size 1 Capsule

Vitex (Vitex Agnus-castus) (berry extract) 225mg
(Guaranteed 0.5% [1.13 mg] agnuside)
Vitex (Vitex Agnus-casus) (berry) 100mg

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I want to say that means there is 325 mg of Vitex in there, but I am not sure. Anyway, yeah... the puffy nips are gone. This is nothing new to me. I got puffy nips while taking Mag-10 about 5 months ago and cured it with Vitex also. I think I am prone to puffy nips. Good thing Vitex is cheap and has other benefits such as libido enhancement.

PJECT
 
damn I have the same shit -Solaray. 10 CAPSULES!!! OMG - that shit cost like $11 a bottle. Why so much? I though a gram/ED was enough?
 
Pject

Damn......hell of a post. Today is my 10th day and I have not gotten any major pumps. Since I started the anavar I did a complete 180 on my diet and eating clean......no more that 50g of carbs a day if that. Today was my first day I actually said damn this morning when I looked at myself in the mirror (considering I am good looking :D) and I saw more definition in my chest and abs. My goal is to trim up so mass on this Anavar is irrelevant to me here but I'm definitely seeing some results.......could it be the diet? Anavar? While dieting you obviously loose weight fat/muscle so if I can keep my same weight and have cuts I will certainly know that this tabs are good. :p

For the rest of you guys.......keep us posted on your results!
 
WI- good job on the diet. Look for increased strength- that should be an indicator if the Vars working- espeacially on a calorie deficit. Also if your getting outta of the ordinary pumps- pumps that are intense and almost hurt - that would be another indicator...so I've heard at least. Keep us posted. I'm leaning out too...but I am strictly dieting like yourself and doing lots of cardio.
 
Iwan2bsolid2 said:
WI- good job on the diet. Look for increased strength- that should be an indicator if the Vars working- espeacially on a calorie deficit. Also if your getting outta of the ordinary pumps- pumps that are intense and almost hurt - that would be another indicator...so I've heard at least. Keep us posted. I'm leaning out too...but I am strictly dieting like yourself and doing lots of cardio.

Seems like we are using the Anavar/Dieting for the same purpose.:D I am on a calorie deficit and the only carbs that I consume are that from my 9-12 ounces of grapefruit juice I take daily and maybe a postworkout carb/protein shake......other than that.......red/white meats, veggies and Isopure protein shakes for muah! I'm looking forward to them intense pumps......we will see how that works out for me today............back and tris today!

By the way Solid how much cardio are you doing?
 
Thought I'd inform you guys that the program I am using to track my nutrition is: Innovative Logic's CrosstrainerII. You can get it at
http://www.crosstrainer.ca
(I just downloaded the trial and got a crack for it) ;)

I just write everything down that I eat and before bed, I enter them into the program... very simple and easy to use.

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It seems like most of you are running the var to diet / cut.

Am I the only one using it for purely strength & explosive speed?

Just curious.

BTW, at the rate I'm going -- up 6lbs already (day 19 of 56). I'll probably end up having 15+ of LBM while maintaining <10% bf at the end of the cycle. Something I did not plan on. I thought I'd gain maybe 5lbs. This dosen't bother me as long as sprint times continue to improve. :D
 
Me and a friend of mine loved them as well. IMO there is a bad batch going around. If I were you guys I would contact the seller and I bet he'll make it right. He is a good guy and I'm sure this is an honest mistake.
 
any updates from those whose little blue friends were NOT working? drveejay? WannaImpress? Pject is obviously satisfied, it looks like he gained 2lbs of muscle and dropped a % bodyfat in about 15 days. and also-why take Vitex with Anavar?? i thought the only anavar based gyno possibility was from elevated gh(or was it igf) levels?? and if its for E related gyno, as your post indicates, vitex doesnt help, and may not even help progest. gyno, and in some I think it fucks up your libido/erectile function. so wtf?? peace
 
nhbgorilla said:
any updates from those whose little blue friends were NOT working? drveejay? WannaImpress? Pject is obviously satisfied, it looks like he gained 2lbs of muscle and dropped a % bodyfat in about 15 days. and also-why take Vitex with Anavar?? i thought the only anavar based gyno possibility was from elevated gh(or was it igf) levels?? and if its for E related gyno, as your post indicates, vitex doesnt help, and may not even help progest. gyno, and in some I think it fucks up your libido/erectile function. so wtf?? peace

:( not yet bro........hopefully the intense pumps and strength gains are just right around the corner. One thing though......I am leaning up......it could be the Anavar......could be my diet since I did a complete 180 on it.
 
This was posted by someone else on another board.......

"this is my 23 day at 40mgs and so far I think I might have gotten a bad batch. The guy we all know almost everbody has the greatest respect for so this is not a bash. Some people are reporting massive pumps, strength increase and vascularity. a few report nothing. I am not having much luck and am doing the right things. a bit of cardio healthy diet, fresh squeezed Grpapefruit juice 200g protein. I might see if I can trade the rest of them up and I am sure he will let me because his cust service is great. I was gonna buy 300 for me....kinda glad I didn't jump in head first. I only got 50 so I have used 1/2. So It seems a few guys report the dark blue ones are making them feel jacked and the light blue/aqua marine color (sometimes with a tint of yellow are the duds. I know this karachi 285 will be great though. I also have some winny and have not tried them yet. Anybody else have any reports"

Hmmmmm......:confused:
 
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Gaza: Clinton works for truce 'in the days ahead'
Israeli air strikes shook the Gaza Strip and Palestinian rockets struck across the border as U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton held talks in Jerusalem in the early hours of Wednesday, seeking a truce that can hold back Israel's ground troops.
Hamas, the Islamist movement controlling Gaza, and Egypt, whose new, Islamist government is trying to broker a truce, had floated hopes for a ceasefire by late Tuesday; but by the time Clinton met Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu it was clear there would be more argument, and more violence, first.

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An initial halt to attacks may, however, not see the sides stand their forces down from battle stations immediately; Clinton, who flies to Cairo to see Egyptian President Mohamed Mursi later on Wednesday, spoke of a deal "in the days ahead".

As she arrived in Israel after nightfall, Israel was stepping up its bombardment. Artillery shells and missiles fired from naval gunboats offshore slammed into the territory and air strikes came at a frequency of about one every 10 minutes.
 
Gaza: Clinton works for truce 'in the days ahead'
Israeli air strikes shook the Gaza Strip and Palestinian rockets struck across the border as U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton held talks in Jerusalem in the early hours of Wednesday, seeking a truce that can hold back Israel's ground troops.
Hamas, the Islamist movement controlling Gaza, and Egypt, whose new, Islamist government is trying to broker a truce, had floated hopes for a ceasefire by late Tuesday; but by the time Clinton met Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu it was clear there would be more argument, and more violence, first.

Hamas leaders in Cairo accused the Jewish state of failing to respond to proposals and said an announcement on holding fire would not come before daylight on Wednesday. Israel Radio quoted an Israeli official saying a truce was held up due to "a last-minute delay in the understandings between Hamas and Israel".

Who is Hamas? 5 questions about the Palestinian militant group.

An initial halt to attacks may, however, not see the sides stand their forces down from battle stations immediately; Clinton, who flies to Cairo to see Egyptian President Mohamed Mursi later on Wednesday, spoke of a deal "in the days ahead".

As she arrived in Israel after nightfall, Israel was stepping up its bombardment. Artillery shells and missiles fired from naval gunboats offshore slammed into the territory and air strikes came at a frequency of about one every 10 minutes.

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