About your other question joncrane,
the creatine kicks ass. even though the water drops off when you stop your cycle, the increased energy and recovery from it is all well worth it. I can hit the iron much harder and longer, which will in-turn give me better gains indirectly. they all have their part to play and i always feel a difference while cycling creatine.
The reason i will know if the NO2 is bunk is because i am going to add it later in my cycle. i already know what to expect from 1-test / creatine. the only diff this time around will be NO2 and 4-ad added to the stack. NO2 either first and Super One+ added later or vise versa. I expect good things to happen. Don't worry I'll keep you posted.
Scaggs