3rd cycle...all Test, and lots of it!!!

[mrt]

Dr.R.Banner,

First of all, in my book he is a steroid novice (that's not a bad thing we all have been there) he may not be a newbie but in order to be considered as a vet or experienced user you should have many more cycles under your belt whereas you tried many different drugs with different doses. We do not know anything about this guy, his stats, past experience, tolerance to sides, etc.

Serge was talking about total gear but you tell him to just take 1mg/week Sust (with 2mg frontload ) that's just simply too much with some one with his experience, you're talking about pro-level doses here. What will you suggest for him for his 4th-5th cycles????

We may all have different ideas about gear use and everybody may have different tolerances to ASS sides but we should be more conservative and careful when suggesting cycles people we don't know.

 

[serge]

I think what some are failing to realize though is that total gear/week isn't the main factor. The drugs used play a major role. How about doing 1gram of dbols in a week? By that reasoning there would be no difference between this and a 400mg of EQ and 600mg of test/week cycle.

ok, you just dove off the deep end, now whats more natural to you body dbol or test??? here is an easier one, what is more harmfull to you body, dbol or test???................clarification........

ALL AS are analogs of testostosterone, test is naturally present in your body, its made by your body, can you say the same about dbol? or eq for that matter? YOUR BODY CANT TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SYNTHETIC TEST INJECTED FROM THAT OF ITS OWN, but it can sure as hell see eq or dbol as an abnormality

now onto the finals point, would you grow more from 1g/test per week then you would from half that amount? NO DOUBT. Would the sides be more extreme to a significant degree? NOPE, you will still get your HPTA fucked on both doses, you will brakeout on 500mg just as much as 1g, your hair will fall out on 500mg just as much as it would on a gram as well.........along with all other things

PS, test does not exhibit half of the sides that orals like dbol do.

 

[mrt]

ok, you just dove off the deep end, now whats more natural to you body dbol or test??? here is an easier one, what is more harmfull to you body, dbol or test???................clarification........

ALL AS are analogs of testostosterone, test is naturally present in your body, its made by your body, can you say the same about dbol? or eq for that matter? YOUR BODY CANT TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SYNTHETIC TEST INJECTED FROM THAT OF ITS OWN, but it can sure as hell see eq or dbol as an abnormality

now onto the finals point, would you grow more from 1g/test per week then you would from half that amount? NO DOUBT. Would the sides be more extreme to a significant degree? NOPE, you will still get your HPTA fucked on both doses, you will brakeout on 500mg just as much as 1g, your hair will fall out on 500mg just as much as it would on a gram as well.........along with all other things

PS, test does not exhibit half of the sides that orals like dbol do.

I agree with most of what you wrote except you will have severer and faster negative sides if you double the doses...that's clear as a day. Some people maybe more tolerant to high doses but some will suffer. HPTA and hair loss is the least you should concern as the side effects, prostate, liver cancer, high cholestrol, stress on cardiovacular system and some more are the things you should be worrying.

 

[Stillgoing]

Fully recognizing this is likely not what anyone wants to hear, but, an alternate view point, I did probably 20 cycles over 10 years (some, however, were pre-contest and didn't include test) and never went over 250mg and made gains every single time. I guess it depends what your goals are, if its gains over the "long-run", a lot of it is a time game, do what keeps the sides down and maxes your ability to eat & train most effectively. For the long-run, cycling should be a "two steps forward, one step back" game. Additionally, regardless of your dosage, it takes a certain amount of time to develop muscle maturity, deep definition, etc. You can speed that up only so much.....

 

[serge]

I agree with most of what you wrote except you will have severer and faster negative sides if you double the doses...that's clear as a day

that is still debatable, every user reacts differently to drugs, i have seen both sides of the spectrum, i know big boys that can take 3+ of test/week no anti-e's and get no gyno, recently i have VITNCESED a user run 500mg/test/week along with nolvas and proviron (nolv and proviron were top notch) and got a nice set of twins, im talking big ones. as far as HPTA, some recover in mare 2-3 weeks after the heaviest cycles others will take months from half as much.............my recomendation was based on the assumption that our trainee at hand know how his body reacts to gear by now, frankly if he did not have ANY problems running 500mg/test/week its very unlikely that he will experience any problems with a gram

LIVER cancer is NOT a concern with test, you should know that by now..........the ONLY anabolic androgenic steroid that was linked to liver cancer is ANADROL50 (at clinical doses; which are 5mg per killo of bodyweight, hence a tipical 220lb person would be administered 500mg of anadrol50 per DAY........you can verifiy that at anadrol.com)

HIGH cholesterol can be avoided through proper diet/supplementation (ask beezer he runs monthly bloodwork, along with his 1g/test/week)

High blood pressure is induced by sodium retension, can be avoided by taking anti-aromatise to combat water retension

stress on cardio vascular system is caused by high chol. and is adressed already, also excersising alone will help with that

 

[serge]

Fully recognizing this is likely not what anyone wants to hear, but, an alternate view point, I did probably 20 cycles over 10 years (some, however, were pre-contest and didn't include test) and never went over 250mg and made gains every single time. I guess it depends what your goals are, if its gains over the "long-run", a lot of it is a time game, do what keeps the sides down and maxes your ability to eat & train most effectively. For the long-run, cycling should be a "two steps forward, one step back" game. Additionally, regardless of your dosage, it takes a certain amount of time to develop muscle maturity, deep definition, etc. You can speed that up only so much.....

250mg/gear/week? or just test? what about the rest of the stack? its not just test that counts, all other gear counts too you know

if you made good gains from running 250mg/gear/week then more power to you, but VAST MAJORITY simply lacks those kind of genetics

 

[Dr.RobertBanner]

Dr.R.Banner,

First of all, in my book he is a steroid novice (that's not a bad thing we all have been there) he may not be a newbie but in order to be considered as a vet or experienced user you should have many more cycles under your belt whereas you tried many different drugs with different doses. We do not know anything about this guy, his stats, past experience, tolerance to sides, etc.

Serge was talking about total gear but you tell him to just take 1mg/week Sust (with 2mg frontload ) that's just simply too much with some one with his experience, you're talking about pro-level doses here. What will you suggest for him for his 4th-5th cycles????

We may all have different ideas about gear use and everybody may have different tolerances to ASS sides but we should be more conservative and careful when suggesting cycles people we don't know.

A novice is a begginer, and assuming his first two cycles were well thought out and he trained hard, he probably has at least 30lbs of new muscle from them, I hardly consider that a begginer. And he's never going to know how he reacts to different doses and drugs if he doesn't try them. Of course gradually working up is the key, but if he's used 500-750mg, 1000mg isn't much of a jump at all. I agree though, knowing some stats and tolerances on the guy would be helpful.

1gm of test a week (all by itself) pro level?!? Lol, no way. Maybe 2-4gm of test with orals and another injectable at around a gm. Why does that frontload wig you out anyway? It just gets blood levels up quicker where they would be by mid-cycle anyway, not higher. Maybe you aren't familiar with it or haven't stopped to think about it, but it certainly isn't crazy or farfetched.

I think serge really hit it on the head with this:

"YOUR BODY CANT TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SYNTHETIC TEST INJECTED FROM THAT OF ITS OWN, but it can sure as hell see eq or dbol as an abnormality

now onto the finals point, would you grow more from 1g/test per week then you would from half that amount? NO DOUBT. Would the sides be more extreme to a significant degree? NOPE, you will still get your HPTA fucked on both doses, you will brakeout on 500mg just as much as 1g, your hair will fall out on 500mg just as much as it would on a gram as well.........along with all other things

PS, test does not exhibit half of the sides that orals like dbol do."

The only thing he'll get jumping from a 500mg to a gram is more gains (assuming eating and training are sufficeint) if he controls estrogen with arimidex or fermara.

 

[serge]

One whole gram of test? Oh no, run for your lives.

start writting your WILL

 

[mrt]

OK, I give up, I may not be macho enough or even be a sissy when it comes to dosages, but I'll never see AAS as harmless as Aspirin like some of you claim and stick to my conservative doses.

 

[serge]

OK, I give up, I may not be macho enough or even be a sissy when it comes to dosages, but I'll never see AAS as harmless as Aspirin like some of you claim and stick to my conservative doses.

its all about the goals and the gains, if you can gain from 300mg/gear/week it would be just plain out stupid for you to take more, some need to take more to keep growing, some less

its all about what works for you