380 tons of missing explosives!?!?!?

[Spartacus]

Like so much of what the New York Times, CBS, and the Kerry campaign feeds us ... it just doesn't add up.

Posted by Captain Ed at October 26, 2004 12:48 PM

 

[timwillt73]

Lefties and their lies and crying and evil gnashing of teeth. So pathetic.

 

[bluepeter]

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=201286

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/26/iraq.explosives/index.html

Every story I read on this subject regardless of slant just strengthens the impression that the whole Iraqi debacle was and is reeking of incompetence. Liberals are whining and gnashing teeth? The attempts to dismiss this and other fuckups as non-issues are what stink of whining and obfuscation.

 

[metzen]

Wow you said you would retract yourself and apologize when proven wrong. This story is flailing and is more likely to backfire on John Kerry then do him any good. Quite frankly your a Canadian and I'll only debate if I think it would make someone really think about who they are voting for, which in your case, is a waste of time. Please don't comment on how our country is run until you fix your problems.

 

[bluepeter]

Wow you said you would retract yourself and apologize when proven wrong. This story is flailing and is more likely to backfire on John Kerry then do him any good. Quite frankly your a Canadian and I'll only debate if I think it would make someone really think about who they are voting for, which in your case, is a waste of time. Please don't comment on how our country is run until you fix your problems.

I'll comment all I want because I have dual-citizenship and even if I didn't, this election has implications for us too.

As soon as someone can tell me that this story is a made up lie, I'll leave it alone and admit the mistake. That has yet to happen. From everything I've seen, the weapons were documented in March and may or may not have been there when US troops rolled through at the beginning of April.

Now if the weapons were there in early April or even if the site was a suspected facility, not having it documented/searched and or guarded would be a mistake don't you think?

If they weren't there by that time, they were moved in the month just prior. How is it that 400 tons of explosives and explosive material apparently was moved from this site and yet the US knew nothing about it being missing until now? You think it would be a good idea when you are planning an invasion to monitor the sites you know have materials of this sort?

 

[WODIN]

1,100 storage facilites in the area.

1 msnbc reporter

a few troops and they do a drive by and say...we didn't see anything.

The UN and the Pentagon said they were there at the time but hey if an msnbc reporter who cruises by says I didn't see anything then the bushies are claiming they weren't there?

LMAO!!

 

[metzen]

I'll comment all I want because I have dual-citizenship and even if I didn't, this election has implications for us too.

As soon as someone can tell me that this story is a made up lie, I'll leave it alone and admit the mistake. That has yet to happen. From everything I've seen, the weapons were documented in March and may or may not have been there when US troops rolled through at the beginning of April.

Now if the weapons were there in early April or even if the site was a suspected facility, not having it documented/searched and or guarded would be a mistake don't you think?

If they weren't there by that time, they were moved in the month just prior. How is it that 400 tons of explosives and explosive material apparently was moved from this site and yet the US knew nothing about it being missing until now? You think it would be a good idea when you are planning an invasion to monitor the sites you know have materials of this sort?

Who said they were their in April? I've yet to read anything that makes that claim. They were there in January and not in May. That’s a pretty big gap don't you think? It’s known that Saddam moved 600,000 tons of explosives around before we even got into the country. Now if we didn't waste time dicking around with the crooked U.N. they may have been stopped, but instead they had about 4 months to move freely to Iran. As it is, we are now in the position we are in and if it had been John Kerry he would still be trying to convince the U.N. to go in, which they would never do because they were making billions illegally. We have recovered 40% of the 600,000 tons of explosives and most of the money Saddam moved. But who knows what was in the other 60%? WMD’s? Way to early to say Bush made a mistake in that area but liberals like to scream before they know the facts.

Why monitor the sites by satellite? What, watch them move them? Then tell Saddam not to move them or he will get hurt? Please tell me.

How can John Kerry be a better president? Why do you always look for weakness in George Bush? You say you want to talk about the issues that matter yet you can't say anything about Kerry and how he would do better. It makes me think your just dead set against conservatism instead of thinking what is better for the country.

 

[bluepeter]

Who said they were their in April? I've yet to read anything that makes that claim. They were there in January and not in May. That’s a pretty big gap don't you think? It’s known that Saddam moved 600,000 tons of explosives around before we even got into the country. Now if we didn't waste time dicking around with the crooked U.N. they may have been stopped, but instead they had about 4 months to move freely to Iran. As it is, we are now in the position we are in and if it had been John Kerry he would still be trying to convince the U.N. to go in, which they would never do because they were making billions illegally. We have recovered 40% of the 600,000 tons of explosives and most of the money Saddam moved. But who knows what was in the other 60%? WMD’s? Way to early to say Bush made a mistake in that area but liberals like to scream before they know the facts.

Why monitor the sites by satellite? What, watch them move them? Then tell Saddam not to move them or he will get hurt? Please tell me.

How can John Kerry be a better president? Why do you always look for weakness in George Bush? You say you want to talk about the issues that matter yet you can't say anything about Kerry and how he would do better. It makes me think your just dead set against conservatism instead of thinking what is better for the country.

Both links I posted and several others put a US presence their in the first week of April and again a week later. The IAEA confirmed the presence of the items in question at the site as of March. That leaves a month in which to move them assuming they were gone by the time the US troops got there.

You monitor confirmed sites by satellite because you want to know where large caches of weapons/explosives are when you are planning an invasion. The whole premise of invading this country was done on WMD. Here you have a site that was already documented as having large amounts of dangerous material and could possibly have been one of those elusive WMD sites we heard so much about. Not saying they should have stopped them from being moved if it happened during that time period (yet to be determined) but at least they would know where the hell they were.

Why do I support John Kerry? I'm the first to admit that it's partly because he isn't George W. Bush. That said, I agree with Kerry's policies on a number of issues that I strongly disagree with Bush's policies on. Not saying I think he's the be all and end all. Most importantly however, IMO Bush has fucked up enormously and isn't worthy of another term. In the shitty democratic process we are stuck with here, that leaves one viable alternative. If John Kerry gets elected and disappoints me, I'll be first in line casting my absentee ballot for his opponent in 2008.

 

[metzen]

""I think it is a lot of the same that's been going on over the last month or so, some of the scare tactics, you know --social security, the draft, the personal attacks on Mary Cheney, on Laura Bush. I think this is a campaign where John Kerry is desperate. I think he is looking to say anything that will get him a vote, and he jumped right on these headlines yesterday by the New York Times, that there were 380 tons of weapons, of explosives missing, without realizing the facts You know...Keep in mind, and I know this broke last night, and it really hasn't got as much play as the Times' article yesterday, NBC had embedded reporters in with the 101rst airborne when they went into that camp the day after the fall of Baghdad. The weapons were not there. John Kerry has been saying for the last year --depending on what day you talk to him-- he's been saying there were no weapons, Saddam was not a threat. OK, well, yesterday he's screaming and yelling that Saddam was a threat with the weapons that are missing. Bottom line: There aren't any weapons or munitions missing that we didn't secure."

"John Kerry instinctively trusts the U.N. bureaucracy at the I.A.E.A. to do its job better than the 101rst Airborne. No wonder the troops that are either serving in Iraq or have served there prefer George Bush by a three to one margin over John Kerry".

So who do you want to listen to? The U.N. or our own troops?

Tell me why you hate Bush so much and how Kerry is going to "make it all go away"

 

[bluepeter]

""I think it is a lot of the same that's been going on over the last month or so, some of the scare tactics, you know --social security, the draft, the personal attacks on Mary Cheney, on Laura Bush. I think this is a campaign where John Kerry is desperate. I think he is looking to say anything that will get him a vote, and he jumped right on these headlines yesterday by the New York Times, that there were 380 tons of weapons, of explosives missing, without realizing the facts You know...Keep in mind, and I know this broke last night, and it really hasn't got as much play as the Times' article yesterday, NBC had embedded reporters in with the 101rst airborne when they went into that camp the day after the fall of Baghdad. The weapons were not there. John Kerry has been saying for the last year --depending on what day you talk to him-- he's been saying there were no weapons, Saddam was not a threat. OK, well, yesterday he's screaming and yelling that Saddam was a threat with the weapons that are missing. Bottom line: There aren't any weapons or munitions missing that we didn't secure."

"John Kerry instinctively trusts the U.N. bureaucracy at the I.A.E.A. to do its job better than the 101rst Airborne. No wonder the troops that are either serving in Iraq or have served there prefer George Bush by a three to one margin over John Kerry".

So who do you want to listen to? The U.N. or our own troops?

Tell me why you hate Bush so much and how Kerry is going to "make it all go away"

I'll listen to everyone and make my own decision.

Why do I hate George Bush? Man, you got a few months?

I don't like his unilateral, tough guy, you're with us or against us nonsense. That isn't conducive to building alliances that make things easier for everyone. He seems to think that bullying people with his military might and his money will force them to toe the line. Granted, that will work on many but IMO, will backfire in the long run and already has in the case of Iraq.

I don't like his failure to separate Church and State. IMO, he is letting his religious beliefs govern what he does in many instances. This is one thing I like about John Kerry. He made a statement in the 2nd debate (I'm paraphrasing here) that he may believe one thing but it would be irresponsible of him to try and legislate that belief on 300 million people, many of whom might not share his belief. Bush doesn't care, he thinks he's doing God's work.

I don't like the lack of fiscal restraint he has shown. Tax cuts during his tenure were irresponsible. The (supposedly) strengthening economy is due to many things but the President's tax cuts or lack thereof have little to no impact. I don't blame Bush for the disaster that has been the US economy over the past 4 years and I don't give him any credit for things slowly starting to turn around. The economy is cyclical and the President doesn't have much affect IMO. That said, I do blame him for throwing fiscal caution to the wind throughout this period when the US could ill afford it.

I can't keep going dude, gotta get some work done.........lol

Do I think Kerry has the magic formula? I like some of his ideas but my overall answer would be no. I'll repeat however that Bush lost my vote long ago so Kerry gets his chance. If he runs with it, I'll consider voting for him again assuming he's elected. If he drops the ball, out he goes.