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bigerisbetter
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I know you would definetly use fast acting drugs like prop, fina and winny. I would like to know how long you do 3 on and 3 off for? And would you need to use clomid after the three weeks?
3 weeks off is not enough time.
If you're looking to do a mild, non suppressive 3 weeker, don't bother with fina.
If you're looking to do a mild, non suppressive 3 weeker, don't bother with fina.
Singleton
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No trenbolone?
Well, what can I use? I can't buy much on my own. I'm sure lots of guys will try to send me sources. Don't bother. I'm way too paranoid.
About all I can get is test prop and fina (and that 1-test shit).
SO. Given what I have, what can I do with it to make the most of it?
Well, what can I use? I can't buy much on my own. I'm sure lots of guys will try to send me sources. Don't bother. I'm way too paranoid.
About all I can get is test prop and fina (and that 1-test shit).
SO. Given what I have, what can I do with it to make the most of it?
J
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Latamier said:
Not to mention the inconsistency in blood concentration levels this would cause. I haven't seen one shred of evidence that shows this approach as being effective in any way, shape or form.
<<Not to mention the inconsistency in blood concentration levels this would cause. I haven't seen one shred of evidence that shows this approach as being effective in any way, shape or form.>>
assuming he takes more than 3 weeks off between cycles, i thought consistency in blood level concentrations was achieved through injection frequency, not number of weeks on? for example, don't you take prop EOD or cyp E5D to achieve a "consistant level?" other than that, while i would not rule it out, i've never run a 3 week cycle, so i don't really feel it's my place to comment, except on fina. while fina does amazing things, it will shut you down hard no matter how few weeks you use it.
assuming he takes more than 3 weeks off between cycles, i thought consistency in blood level concentrations was achieved through injection frequency, not number of weeks on? for example, don't you take prop EOD or cyp E5D to achieve a "consistant level?" other than that, while i would not rule it out, i've never run a 3 week cycle, so i don't really feel it's my place to comment, except on fina. while fina does amazing things, it will shut you down hard no matter how few weeks you use it.
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Juice Authority said:
I have.
BrickGirl
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Mu husband did a couple of 3 weeks cycles with great results, he used propionate and oral winny. Blood levels were stable of course due to injection and oral administration frequency, I don't see where the spikes or valley's would come in on that, they were very stable. He used HCG post cycle and took about 6 weeks off between. Gained nice muscle and kept most all of it each time, nothing drastic, but just smooth consistent gains. No problems with his tallywacker and his balls never shrank. No other noticable "sides" and his well being was much better than having been on for 12 weeks and then having to deal with the suppression issues. Just my 2 cents 
J
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Singleton said:
I mean the rapid raise and fall of testosterone levels.
kaalgsio2 said:
Fina will completely shut you down in 3 weeks. The consistency in blood level concentrations is acheived through frequentcy of injections with short-acting esters althought 3 weeks on and 5 weeks off will mess up the consistency and concetration of testosterone in the blood. It is also achieved over time with longer-acting esters like CYP, ENAN, DECA and EQ.
J
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Nelson Montana said:
Please do post those findings then if of course you can locate them.
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DaddyX
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fina is a horrible choice for short cycles
Juice Authority said:
assuming one goes 3 weeks on and 6 weeks off as brickgrl mentioned her husband has done, and assuming a short acting ester is injected at proper intervals over the course of those 3 weeks, this leaves me having a hard time understanding the manner in which short acting esters (fina not included) used for short period of times "will mess up the consistency and concetration of testosterone in the blood."
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kaalgsio2 said:assuming one goes 3 weeks on and 6 weeks off as brickgrl mentioned her husband has done, and assuming a short acting ester is injected at proper intervals over the course of those 3 weeks, this leaves me having a hard time understanding the manner in which short acting esters (fina not included) used for short period of times "will mess up the consistency and concetration of testosterone in the blood."
I'm not doubting Brickgirl's husband's experience but the logic behind what I was saying is quite simple. He must have abnormally high natural testosterone levels and here's why:
Short-acting esters injected on a frequent (ED) basis will give rise to the testosterone levels found in one's blood. That's fairly evident. Short-acting esters also CLEAR the body in a relatively short timeframe (some within a week, others like Fina and D-bol within a day). Once they clear what do you think happens to the testosterone levels in the blood??? Also, three weeks is long enough to start shutting down the hpta. So in essence, your testosterone levels will be lower than they were before you started for the following 5 weeks or more. Being that anti-e's will not be used post-cycle it will further delay the recovery process, which will hinder growth.
Conclusion: The gains made from short cycles will quickly dissipate and you'll be worse off than before you started. This logic confuses you??
Juice Authority said:
well several things behind "this logic" confuse me. first, part of it stems from your original post where it sounded as if you were saying concentrations in the blood would be inconsistent during the 3 weeks, now i see you mean after (i think you confused BG on that as well). second, what happens if one runs test prop for 6 weeks instead of 3? won't clearance time still be the same? won't hpta be supressed even further? third, i thought the point of 3 week cycles (again, i've never done one) was to eliminate the need for anti-e's, and perhaps use just hcg at the end? finally, do you think in the long term that putting on 25-30lbs during a 10 week cycle will result in more keepable gains than gaining 4 or 5lbs over three weeks? it seems almost like the reverse of a crash diet - slow and steady seems to keep weight off better in the long run...
J
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kaalgsio2 said:
Gee, there's a lot you need to learn about AAS, Anti-e's and HCG. HCG by itself will further hinder recovery and will inhibit natural testicle function! HCG does not restore the natural testosterone production!!!! Your body sees it as LH floating around. That tells your HTPA to STOP making anymore of it!!! HCG should not be used during the recovery itself since it will increase androgen and estrogen levels, which will be inhibitory to the hypothalamus and pituitary.
HCG is counterproductive for this purpose. The point of HCG is to stimulate the Leydig cells and maintain testicular size and condition during longer, heavier cycles and to bring atrophied (shrunken) testicles back up to their original condition in preparation for post-cycle Clomid/Nolva therapy.
I don't know what the real purpose behind a 3 week cycle is. It makes zero sense and is very counterproductive but go for it. I could care less.
Juice Authority said:
yes, i suppose there is much for me to learn about HCG, along with brickgirl's husband. now, why would you tell me HCG should not be used during recovery yet you state you use it in yours?
http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=247332&perpage=20&pagenumber=2
i also take this to mean you've never done a 3 week cycle? perhaps, in this case, some first-hand experience might be beneficial.
BrickGirl
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I don't know why, but Juice Authority has a very closed mind, he needs to open it up a little and back off on the drama in his posts HCG works great post cycle to restore the size of your testicles so they can work much better at producing test when they are normal size, good luck on getting them to work if they are atrophied at all. And saying that a 3 week cycle is useless is just simple stupidity. 3 week cycle are great, not for everyone, but great for the person that wants to slowly increase lean body mass without taking the risks that comes with a longer cycle. You can surely make gains on 3 week cycles.
HCG works great post cycle to restore the size of your testicles so they can work much better at producing test when they are normal size, good luck on getting them to work if they are atrophied at all. And saying that a 3 week cycle is useless is just simple stupidity. 3 week cycle are great, not for everyone, but great for the person that wants to slowly increase lean body mass without taking the risks that comes with a longer cycle. You can surely make gains on 3 week cycles. 
DeepZenPill
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I finished a 3 week cycle 2 weeks ago. It was a cutting cycle of prop 100mg EOD and winny 50mg ED. I actually gained 6lbs while losing bodyfat. After the cycle was over I started using Zinc and Avena Sativa and experienced no crash whatsoever. I continued to increase lifts after the cycle and my weight is actually up.
You're right JA. I guess it doesn't work.
I did this cycle just to test it out. There was so much controversy over the idea that I decided to see for myself. If more people actually had experience behind their opinions, there would be fewer closed-minded people just making asses of themselves.
You're right JA. I guess it doesn't work.
I did this cycle just to test it out. There was so much controversy over the idea that I decided to see for myself. If more people actually had experience behind their opinions, there would be fewer closed-minded people just making asses of themselves.
Singleton
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DeepZenPill: No anti-e with 100mg test prop EOD?
The test prop and winny should be completely out of your system now.
Do you Get Morning Wood: y/n
Did your nuts shrink?
If your nuts shrunk, how much?
How is your mood now compared to before you started?
What are your stats?
I'd like to know where you are two weeks from now.
The test prop and winny should be completely out of your system now.
Do you Get Morning Wood: y/n
Did your nuts shrink?
If your nuts shrunk, how much?
How is your mood now compared to before you started?
What are your stats?
I'd like to know where you are two weeks from now.
J
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kaalgsio2 said:
I used HCG during my cycle because it was a LONG AND HEAVY CYCLE AS I STATED ABOVE AND IN THAT THREAD. Will you please get a clue. Short-cycles are a total waste of time and gear. I don't need to use myself as a ginny pig to validate that opinion.
BrickGirl - Please do not refer to me as being closed-minded. If anything, you just restated what I just said about HCG. AS for the short-cycles approach...
My position, based on the facts at hand, is that 3 week cycles are useless. Since you think that remark is "simple stupidity" please post up the evidence that validates this concept as being effective and we can discuss it.
DeepZenPill - WTF? Lately you've been on the offensive with me and quite frankly I'm starting to get annoyed. I posted my reasons in a very clear and scientific manner as to why I believe this approach to be useless. Please post your reasons with something other than your "recent experience/opinion" that disproves my position. Otherwise, it just your opinion and should be viewed as such. Your experience means nothing to me. There are too many variables to take into consideration.
Doesn't everyone realize that concret evidence means nothing here at EF unless it's accompanied with a cut and paste study? : )
Three weeks cycles work great for slow, steady safe gains. I've done it with success. Dozens of people who I've consulted with have done it with success. Hundreds more who have read the procedure have done it with success. Now, several people here are saying it's worked for them. But that's not good enough for some people -- even if their own methods have proved disasterous.
Three weeks cycles work great for slow, steady safe gains. I've done it with success. Dozens of people who I've consulted with have done it with success. Hundreds more who have read the procedure have done it with success. Now, several people here are saying it's worked for them. But that's not good enough for some people -- even if their own methods have proved disasterous.
J
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Nelson Montana said:
I wonder who you're referring to here.
Juice Authority said:
No one in particular.
But if the shoe fits....
Swolenpecs
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I have a friend who runs a 50mg 3 times a week and has great results. Dunno if that has much to do with 3 on 3 off weekly. but thought i would throw sometin in.
BrickGirl
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Juice Authority said:
Interesting how you took what I agreed with you about and tried to make that into the argument, when that was not the argument, the disagreeing was on the short cycles approach, please do not try to rearrange my writings to try to win an argument with me, it shows immaturity. If you wish to try to write a rebuttal again in a manner that reflects what I originally posted, by all means do so. Thank you.
DeepZenPill
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Juice Authority said:
You could give me all the scientific reasons you've come up with, but it doesn't make a difference when it's all theory. It might be interesting, but at the end of the day it really doesn't mean anything in terms of real world results.
I'm not totally discrediting scientific research though. If I saw real world evidence that utterly disproved the effectiveness of 3 week cycles, it would really get me thinking. But guess what? There haven't been any such studies.
I'm not trying to convince you to try 3 week cycles. This is why I never started a thread on it. I merely posted my experience because it adds something to the discussion. User experience has it's place whether you want to accept it or not.
This is not just my opinion. The increased numbers on the scale are not my opinion. The lower caliper readings are not my opinion. Take it for what it is, anecdotal evidence. Nobody is claiming it is unquestionable proof, but sure makes you think doesn't it?
I'm happy with my gains, and I'm happy to not experience a post cycle crash. It works for me, and that's what I really care about. Will I run a 3 week cycle again? Sure. Will I exclusively use 3 week cycles in the future? Nope. I like long cycles just as much as anyone else, but 3 weekers are just extremely convenient for me. Juicing should not be a central fixture of my life. If I can make some quick solid gains in 3 weeks and be sure of keeping them, then hell yes I will make use of that.
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BrickGirl said:
You referred to my position on short cycles as being "simple stupidity". I at least backed up my position with facts. All you've done is shared someone else's experience (your husband) with short cycles. In the courtroom, that would be considered heresy and inadmissible. So far, no one here besides myself has provided any sort of evidence other than opinionated BS based on his or her "alleged experience". Nelson claims he has the evidence in question but once again refuses to post it. Gee, I wonder why...
J
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DeepZenPill said:
Fair enough and well said.
DeepZenPill
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Singleton said:
I used 1.25mg of femara EOD with the prop. I didn't need any anti-e's during the cycle at all. I used none post cycle, but I kept using the femara for 2 weeks, just in case because I'm extremely sensitive to gyno. My post cycle therapy consisted of only the zinc and avena sativa. I am still running the Avena Sativa at 2g a day, after 4 weeks post cycle I just reduce it to 1g. I use it all the time when off gear.
Do you Get Morning Wood: Yes. Avena Sativa gives me ridiculous morning wood.
Did your nuts shrink? Yes.
If your nuts shrunk, how much? The difference was almost negligible, but near the end of the second week I could tell they had shrunk. So I'm sure suppression occurs in under 2 weeks.
How is your mood now compared to before you started? I'm feeling great, but part of that might have been because of a nice week of vacation. I feel completely recovered, but I'm sure I'm not. The Avena Sativa is definitely behind this. Although there are some doubts as to whether commercially available AS actually increases free test, it certainly makes me feel like I'm on test.
Juice Authority said:
Here we go again. Everytime you show yourself to be unknowledgable you go on the attack in the hopes that it will distract the members from seeing you for who you are, but it isn't working. Give it up JA. You make yourself look like a bigger fool with every post.
J
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Nelson Montana said:
What other people think of me is none of my business. Your opinion of me holds zero weight. Like I said, post the evidence that short-cycles are effective and I'll pay you $100,000!
Juice Authority said:
If you're going to use my line, be able to back it up. Two people just verified that the 3 week cycle worked for them. Or is something only proff to you if its cut and pasted from somewhere else? That's all you do, you know. You offer no isight or original thought. You either jump on someones bandwagon or go on the attack or post some study that you don't even understand.
Like I said, with each successive post, you look like a bigger fool. And this post proves it.
I already posted my feedback about short cycles. Just do a damn search. Does it work ? Yes. For anyone ? No. Can you use anything ? No.
I would never recommend that to a newbie but rather someone with some cycle history and a good base to work from. Also some products like Fina might not be appropriated. I'd rather use Durabolin instead. WOuld I recommend anti-Es ? Maybe in some cases. That's where I disagree a bit with Nelson, but definitely no clomids.
I would never recommend that to a newbie but rather someone with some cycle history and a good base to work from. Also some products like Fina might not be appropriated. I'd rather use Durabolin instead. WOuld I recommend anti-Es ? Maybe in some cases. That's where I disagree a bit with Nelson, but definitely no clomids.
J
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Nelson Montana said:
Why the name calling Uncle "Nellie"? Opinions aren't facts. I've also seen people on this very thread say that short-cycles are a total waste of time and gear. What makes them wrong and the two people that agree with you right? When in doubt take a look at the facts. The facts support my position while other people's "opinion" support yours.
J
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Rio 2001 said:
None of the above.
Juice Authority said:
take off your blinders: no one on this thread has ever said, "I agree with nelson." deep simply said it worked for him, brickgirl said it worked for her husband, manny said it works for some not others - none of them said anything about agreeing with nelson at all, so stop turning this into some you-against-nelson crap. the only reason you posted on this thread was because as soon as you saw "3 week cycles," you saw it as another chance to bait nelson. so you come on here with your cut+paste science lessons looking to start trouble and polute this thread, rathter than offer anything of substance. now, possibly the biggest joke of this post was you insulting brickgirl. looking at what she's contributed to this board compared to what you have over the last 6 months since you've joined, it's absolutely laughable. in parting, i implore newbies (and not-so-newbies) to read people's old posts (you don't need to be platinum to search for posts by user) and practice a little common sense before taking anyone's advice. those are the "facts."
As far as I am concerned, if it works than it works. "Science" isn't always up to date with what works.
To me, honestly, 3week cycles make sence but so do 6month cycles. It depends on your goals.
It is very possible to gain a good few pounds of lbm in 3weeks and maintain it much easier ...
-sk
To me, honestly, 3week cycles make sence but so do 6month cycles. It depends on your goals.
It is very possible to gain a good few pounds of lbm in 3weeks and maintain it much easier ...
-sk
J
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kaalgsio2 said:
1) I never insulted Brickgirl - show me where and I'll pay you the $100,000 I was going to pay Nelson
2) You've been here less than month so shut up. All you're doing is sucking up bandwidth. At least I contribute financially to the board through my Plat membership. What do you do to contribute??
3) I stated my position on short-cycles, which happens to conflict with Nelson's position. The only difference being that I supported my position with facts. How is that baiting Nelson??
4) Your knowledge of AAS, HCG and anti-e's is obviously lacking here so engaging with you in a discussion about it would be the equivalent of entering into a battle of wits with an unarmed man.
Singleton
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Got some good empirical/experiencial evidence from other posters (DeepZenPill & BrickGirl).
Does the duration of the cycle matter at all? Is hpta response all or nothing? In otherwords, If I'm shut down for 8 weeks, will the hpta recovery process take longer than if hpta were shut down for 3 weeks? Anyone?
Does the duration of the cycle matter at all? Is hpta response all or nothing? In otherwords, If I'm shut down for 8 weeks, will the hpta recovery process take longer than if hpta were shut down for 3 weeks? Anyone?
J
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sk* said:
I disagree here sk. I don't believe in short cycles and I stated my reasons as to why. That's it. End of story. Go back and look who jumped on who's ass. I like you but your comment above is out of line.
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sk* said:
Whatever. I'm not going to argue with you about this. It's pointless.
shutdown is relative i beleive. i have no doubt that after 6 months your totally shut down. 3 weeks, just suppressed.
Juice Authority, ive been here longer than you have, under a different name, and ive never had a run in with you. however, you are coming off as an asshole on tis thread. your opinion is it doesnt work. fine. you do not have to be vindicated in every post, and most ppl will not bow to a verbal brow beating.
my opinion, so you can now chew my ass, is that yes 3 week cycles do work. will you get huge off them? no. is that everyones goal? no.
im 6ft4. im huge no matter what. my BBing idols arent markus rhul, though im awed by him and respect the ethic. i find myself leaning more towards zane. i think a guy as large as me would look awesome with symmetry as his goal. thats my goal.
i imagine you are a size man. great. excellant even. you do the standard 8+ week cycles, you work hard, you stay on diet, excellant. i respect you and ppl like you like i hope you respect me. but your goals are not mine. you are anting to put on double digits every time out of the gate. im just wanting a certain look.
brickgirl and her wonderfull body was just saying what her old man had done, and it appeared you took it personally. you became gruff, she called you closed minded etc, which you were being in all honesty dood, and it degenerated from there.
you dont care of other opinions? well then you cant expect them to care of yours. it would be better if you didnt take a disagreement as a perso al attack on your knowledge.
ive never done a 3 weeker. do i think they work, in more stregnth and 5 lbs give or take? yes. you will not become jay cutler on a 3 weeker.
you do seem like a smart dood about this, and im not pissing down your leg or tryng to start a fight with you. but take a xanax and chill. i dont eat zuchini caserole, but you certainly can, and i wont get pissy about it. you feel me here?
Juice Authority, ive been here longer than you have, under a different name, and ive never had a run in with you. however, you are coming off as an asshole on tis thread. your opinion is it doesnt work. fine. you do not have to be vindicated in every post, and most ppl will not bow to a verbal brow beating.
my opinion, so you can now chew my ass, is that yes 3 week cycles do work. will you get huge off them? no. is that everyones goal? no.
im 6ft4. im huge no matter what. my BBing idols arent markus rhul, though im awed by him and respect the ethic. i find myself leaning more towards zane. i think a guy as large as me would look awesome with symmetry as his goal. thats my goal.
i imagine you are a size man. great. excellant even. you do the standard 8+ week cycles, you work hard, you stay on diet, excellant. i respect you and ppl like you like i hope you respect me. but your goals are not mine. you are anting to put on double digits every time out of the gate. im just wanting a certain look.
brickgirl and her wonderfull body was just saying what her old man had done, and it appeared you took it personally. you became gruff, she called you closed minded etc, which you were being in all honesty dood, and it degenerated from there.
you dont care of other opinions? well then you cant expect them to care of yours. it would be better if you didnt take a disagreement as a perso al attack on your knowledge.
ive never done a 3 weeker. do i think they work, in more stregnth and 5 lbs give or take? yes. you will not become jay cutler on a 3 weeker.
you do seem like a smart dood about this, and im not pissing down your leg or tryng to start a fight with you. but take a xanax and chill. i dont eat zuchini caserole, but you certainly can, and i wont get pissy about it. you feel me here?
J
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Someone should close this thread down. For a while there the discussion had some good content but now this thread has become worthless IMO.
Juice Authority said:
Bro, you did a 12week cycle of 2g gear/week, than you crushed and didn't work out for 2months.
Get a clue, you lost everything. If you had done a 3week cycle you would have been way better off.
Like I said on top, some people can handle 6month cycles and some people are better off with 3weekers. I don't need a study telling me I can keep gains from a 3week cycle.
You always argue for the sake of arguing. Nelson does that too, but he, at least, has a purpose of doing so.
-sk
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sk* said:
Thanks Bro. I appreciate the comments. A real morale booster.
Juice Authority said:
Bro, I am being completely serious. The whole point of the short cycles is to avoid a crash. Guess what happened to you from that 12 week cycle?
I'm not trying to be a dick, but how can you come on here and tell everyone that 3week cycles don't work??? You clearly haven't tried them, and your "science" behind the cycles you do, obviously, isn't working.
So maybe it is time for a little change?
-sk
DeepZenPill
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Singleton said:
Just an update:
I had finished the cycle at 186lbs and 8% bf by calipers. As of this morning I'm hovering around 190-191lbs, slightly more bf than before, but the abs are still there so it's definitely not very much of a fat gain. I was eating a bit more carbs than usual because I'm on the road a lot with my new job and don't have much of a choice of what to eat.
I'm 5'6" and while this is not the heaviest I have been, it is definitely the most LBM I've had. I'm still doing Avena Sativa at 1g a day and I set PR's this week on a few exercises. I attribute this mostly to DC training. It's been amazing for me and I've only been doing it for a month.
Although I am very pleased with the results from that cycle, I think my next one is going to be 12-16 weeks. I have only done mild cycles so far and have never gained more than 15lbs in a cycle. This next one is probably the last big cycle I'll be doing. Hopefully I'll be close to my goal and fine tune from there on with shorter cycles.
Goldprospector
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I have not heard of 3 week cycles but I have heard of the 2 0n 4 off. But with your limited choices, I am not sure how well it would work out...but here is a good article on the above mentioned cycle.
http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/pharmacology/steroid-case-study-01.htm
http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/pharmacology/steroid-case-study-01.htm
Deepzp, I do not know how you can logically believe that you gained 1 lb. of muscle mass during your 3 wk cycle. You state that you gained 5 lbs. at the most and that you gained some body fat. First, you do not begin building muscle until after at least 2 wks of ANY cycle. The 4-5 lbs you gained was due to increased nutrient loading (glycogen/protein/fat supercompensation), water retention, creatine synthesis, and some fat gain. It is really disturbing to consistently read posts by people who state they gained this and that in the first few wks of a cycle and people whole heartedly believe they are building muscle in this short time period. Physiologically the human body can only build 1-2 lb. of LBM/wk, which is dependent on ALL muscle buiding parameters being dialed in such as the proper training, rest and of course the most important, sufficient macronutrient ratios/kcals. Second, you state that you now weigh 190 lbs. People like you have no business using drugs when you are NOT EVEN CLOSE to reaching your genetic potential. Until then and ONLY then should one make the decision to enhance their physique with drugs. It also is very disturbing to read people posting all over various boards that they only weigh 150-190 lbs, only have 1-2 yrs weight training experience, and are using steroids. What kind of accomplishments does one truly feel he/she has made when they have not made absolutely every effort possible to reach that genetic potential.
I am not flaming you, but anecdotal evidence (posts) shows that people are very misled by their results and how to properly manipulate steriod cycling. I think it is a consensus by those who have been in "the game" of training and using steroids for MANY yrs that in order to get the most out of a cycle it should be run for a lot longer than 2-3 wks. Why waste the time, money, etc when you can build more muscle in a shorter period of time by running a cycle for 6-12 wks as opposed to doing 2-3 "on" and "off." The latter requires another 2-3 wks to attain sufficient blood concentrations each time you cycle back "on." And as it has already been stated earlier that your HPTA will be completely shutdown after 2-3 wks, so why end your cycle when you just being to accrue LBM. Also, your PCT will still be the same after a 3 wk cycle or one 2x as long. I hope you don't take offense as I honestly am not bashing you, but trying to get people to understand how to effectively, intelligently, and efficiently manipulate a cycle.
I am not flaming you, but anecdotal evidence (posts) shows that people are very misled by their results and how to properly manipulate steriod cycling. I think it is a consensus by those who have been in "the game" of training and using steroids for MANY yrs that in order to get the most out of a cycle it should be run for a lot longer than 2-3 wks. Why waste the time, money, etc when you can build more muscle in a shorter period of time by running a cycle for 6-12 wks as opposed to doing 2-3 "on" and "off." The latter requires another 2-3 wks to attain sufficient blood concentrations each time you cycle back "on." And as it has already been stated earlier that your HPTA will be completely shutdown after 2-3 wks, so why end your cycle when you just being to accrue LBM. Also, your PCT will still be the same after a 3 wk cycle or one 2x as long. I hope you don't take offense as I honestly am not bashing you, but trying to get people to understand how to effectively, intelligently, and efficiently manipulate a cycle.
three weekers work. my tren/prop cycle back in december had me strong as hell and many pounds heavier. i would have to go back and read my cycle log on another board to remember how many but i can say with certainty that i was very satisfied. i recovered with post cycle and unleashed, never touched clomid or nolva and didn't miss a beat. i know alot more now, i understand bloat and i have also since then did a second and longer cycle. it was a combination of cyp/primo and cyp/npp and it too worked great. if i had to weigh the two, i would have to say that although the three weeker worked fine, i liked the longer cycle better because being on test feels so good its better for me to be on for longer. i am in my 2nd wk of recovery using nolva and so far so good. i also used hcg 500iu every 5 days over the second half of that one. it was 8 wks.
The_Eviscerator
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I only do 3-5 weeks anymore. The majority of my gains come by week 3-4 anyway. I usually stick with Test Prop, Tren, Masteron and NPP. I will sometimes run EQ or Primo in the background for weeks 1-3 as a soldifying base.
I plan on starting up a shorter cycle soon enough.. I figure prop/npp/var will be a good choice... what are your guys' thoughts on prop/npp/tbol?
Ive done 2-3 weekers with tren/prop tbol with great results.
Im an athlete so perhaps i'm a bit more sensitive to doseages...normally dont crank it high anyway,
I took tren 50mg eod prop 125mg eod and tbol 30mg for 18 days. PCT was 15 days nolva
I went up 3kg and kept pretty much all of it. my bf went down on this cycle.
It worked for me.
Next cycles I may try will be 4 weekers prop 150mg eod and tbol 40-50mg ed for 4 weeks with a 3 week pct. I'll run this about 4 time sa year...quite happy with that...
Im an athlete so perhaps i'm a bit more sensitive to doseages...normally dont crank it high anyway,
I took tren 50mg eod prop 125mg eod and tbol 30mg for 18 days. PCT was 15 days nolva
I went up 3kg and kept pretty much all of it. my bf went down on this cycle.
It worked for me.
Next cycles I may try will be 4 weekers prop 150mg eod and tbol 40-50mg ed for 4 weeks with a 3 week pct. I'll run this about 4 time sa year...quite happy with that...
Zircon said:
Thanks a lot... sounds great... that's ideally what I'm going to do... 4 shorter cycles this year.... less sides etc...
Thanks for the input and you time...
No problem
I did get bad bacne from shorties tho...but I suspect the tren.
On my last shorty i did tren and prop tbol. Within 4 days I had bad welts on my back. I stopped tren and conitnued the other aas for 3 weeks, and it was fine. Still had acne but the tren made it 10x worse.
I'm still wondering if 3 weekers wouldn't be better than 4 weeker. I'll see how it goes.
I did get bad bacne from shorties tho...but I suspect the tren.
On my last shorty i did tren and prop tbol. Within 4 days I had bad welts on my back. I stopped tren and conitnued the other aas for 3 weeks, and it was fine. Still had acne but the tren made it 10x worse.
I'm still wondering if 3 weekers wouldn't be better than 4 weeker. I'll see how it goes.
lifthard2005
New member
im currently running a 3 week cycle of :
prop @ 150mg eod (with a 300mg frontload)
proviron @ 50mg ed
var @ 80mg ed
tbol @ 40mg ed
winstrol @ 50mg ed
clen @ 40mcg ed
prop @ 150mg eod (with a 300mg frontload)
proviron @ 50mg ed
var @ 80mg ed
tbol @ 40mg ed
winstrol @ 50mg ed
clen @ 40mcg ed
gettnlarge01
New member
short cycles=fast acting easters/ tren,prop,suspension all good!!
FatherMike
New member
I would say that's a waste of money.
gettnlarge01
New member
I agree but at least they can use compounds that will give them some results
I'm gunna give it a shot in a few weeks... I might run Suspension/var...
juliuspleaser
New member
wow this is an old ass thread, but definately an interesting one...an another forum some guy told me that he did a 30 days cycle consisting of this
i want to change the way i do cycles...it always takes me forever to build back my natural test, im sick of crashing
here is a cycle that caught my eye, someone from another board posted this...let me know ur opinions guys
"let me start by saying I cannot take any credit as i had a friend from animals board advising me.. he had to convince me to try it..
day 1-10 200mg long test eod (5 shots)
day 11-20 200mg deca eod(5 shots)
day 21-25 nothing
day 26-30 100mg prop ed(5 shots)
day 31-35 nothing
day 36-41 clomid and 1mg adex ed
then i think 10days off then repeat.. now dont get me wrong this is NOT to recover hpta,, its just a litle break to hopefully halt SHBG rise and lower cortisol, and just a little break without the break being long enuff to lose gains.. during the pct and off periods i was using insulin as an anticatabolic and to combat the SHBG.."
i want to change the way i do cycles...it always takes me forever to build back my natural test, im sick of crashing
here is a cycle that caught my eye, someone from another board posted this...let me know ur opinions guys
"let me start by saying I cannot take any credit as i had a friend from animals board advising me.. he had to convince me to try it..
day 1-10 200mg long test eod (5 shots)
day 11-20 200mg deca eod(5 shots)
day 21-25 nothing
day 26-30 100mg prop ed(5 shots)
day 31-35 nothing
day 36-41 clomid and 1mg adex ed
then i think 10days off then repeat.. now dont get me wrong this is NOT to recover hpta,, its just a litle break to hopefully halt SHBG rise and lower cortisol, and just a little break without the break being long enuff to lose gains.. during the pct and off periods i was using insulin as an anticatabolic and to combat the SHBG.."
