2Thick, DecaMan, Fonz: You Deca Guys

[Stew Meat]

Everyone seems to overlook the fact that it takes very high doses of 600mg/wk for progesterone gyno to be a problem, also at low dose deca can actually lower base estrogen levels while being a great joint lubricant.
Finally Deca-Dick can be avoided by taking 50mg clomid EOD throught ur cycle.

Deca dick can not be avoided by clomid... clomid can generate excretion of FSH (folicile stimulating hormone) while on a cycle which can actually keep the testicles from shrinking by 75% by stimulation of the serotoli cells, but it can not stimulate the release of LH (lutenizing hormone) while androgen levels are high... stimulation of the leydig cells (in the testicles) would stimulate the release of testostereone which would occur while comming off of a cycle but NOT while androgen levels are high due to exogenous injections. Therefore, there is no additional testosterone in circulation to convert to DHT which is actually what is converted to a hormone that relaxes the muscles in the vastus differens allowing the penis to fill with blood and reach an erection...


One should always use testosterone with deca not just to prevent "deca dick" but for synergy. Deca (and other 19-nortestosterone derivitives) bind to AR in the hypothalamus and prevent the production of testosterone. Lack of testosterone can be a strong hinderance while trying to add muscle in a deca only cycle.

On another note, IG, you can add me to your list of Deca sympathisers. Deca is highly anabolic and very low in side effects even at high dosses. The only people who may develop gyno from its progesterogenic activities are those who are abnormally highly suceptable. For this reason, I don't recomend exceeding 400mg/wk for any newbie until he learns his suceptability toward gyno. There is no idication that one can be resistant to estrogen induced gyno but be suceptable to progestin induced gyno.

Exogenous testosterone injections does not only promote the hinderance of one's own testosterone production but also prevents the formation of other androgens that are 19-nortest derivitives. For this reason obvious synergy would be seen when combining a testosterone derivitive with a nortestosterone derivitive as the presence of both is greater than the addition of any ONE of these. The EQ that was mentioned is not a nortestosterone derivitive, but a derivitive of testosterone. One of the only other nortestosterone derivitves is trenbelone. Trenbelone resembles the activity of deca in the body but seems to be more potent at the receptor level. For this reason, I don't recomend trenbelone in the same cycle as nandralone (deca), but the addition will not have any negative consequences... only overkill with nortest. I would say the same for EQ and test but EQ is reported to have a few advantages over its testosterone cousin including hunger stimulation and greater potential for vascularity development. However, I feel that testosterone is superior to bolderone (EQ) in promoting anabolism in the form of muscle gains.




-Stew

 

[Fonz]

Hehe....I think you managed to get IG testy.

EQ? Gives better vascularity then Deca BUT
you gain NOWHERE near the mass you
gain on Deca.
I'm on EQ right now(6th week) so I can atually
speak from experience now.

Deca still gives GREAT results at 300-400mgs/week.
At this dosage , its HIGHLY IMPROBABLE
somebody would eventually get gyno from it.

And you have to admit that Deca's effects on joints
is UNPARALLELED and IMPOSSIBLE to
duplicate with any other steroid in existance
today..

Godspeed



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[killabolic]

I've personally never had any probs w/ over 400mg/week. This was a major item in everyone's cycle for years, now it seems to get a bad rap. Fina, Eq, Primo, etc. were all around then as well. Even though I've never had the sides, I do doubt it's effectiveness. What's everyone like in place of deca? Eq? Just my .02.

 

[anabolic24/7]

heh, heh, heh,
i'm giving deca a whirl, 600mg a week, I've done 300mg with no problems. Also, nobody mentions the fact that running test along with it will keep any 'deca dick' at bay.
800mg of test E and no deca dick.
Needless to say if gyno rears it's head I'll know what the cause is, I'm using arimidex @ .50mg a day.
I'll cast my lot after this cycle.

 

[DNP guru]

i'm with IG on this one, but i do feel that deca has its place in bb, mostly for the joints though. otherwise there are better substitutes. i can gain more on tren/winny than deca/winny at the same mg doses even though tren causes no water retention and deca does.

 

[killabolic]

I agree w/ ab24-7. You should always use the old rule of thumb: 2:1 Test/Deca ratio. Long live TEST!

 

[BOX2DADEATH]

I take 50mg of winny-v/nandrolne do u think it is a good combo and does cht combat the proestgen to any exsent

 

[gearseeker]

I quit using deca after having progesterone related gyno removed. I was only using 200-400mg per week, but after years of cycling it, it took its toll. After that I switched to Eq and have been very disapointed. I think Eq is a good drug, but nowhere near deca in the amount of muscle gained.

Im back on deca and using 20+mg of WV to fight the progesterone problem. I know its not as effective as RU486 buts its been fairly effective for me. If I grow another set of tits Ill let you know.

 

[The Iron Game]

Hehe....I think you managed to get IG testy.

And you have to admit that Deca's effects on joints
is UNPARALLELED and IMPOSSIBLE to
duplicate with any other steroid in existance
today..

Nope, I dont gotta admit shit heh heh heh

 

[MUSTANG_18]

Deca must be VERY good for joint pain as I have used Eq and am on it now and my joints have never felt better

M18