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2nd week on the goodies, looking for info to my situation

markkerr101

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6'0 tall, 190 lbs, 12-13% bodyfat.24 years old. Been training for about 5 years. hit a wall in training and diet. So i decided to start a cycle for 10 weeks, i had my second shot today so im a week in


I'm currently taking


250 mg deca
200 mg test per week

fish oil, flaxseed oil, multivitamin

Diet is good, one cheat day about every 9 days or so. But other than that good carbs, about 200 grams of protein a day. etc.

my question is for pct should i use some nolvadex or clomid? and when should i start taking and how much? I have read stickys and other info. but seems everybody has like a million different opinions on pct . just would like to hear what makes the most sense for keeping 70% or so of my gains
 
First things first. NEVER EVER START A CYCLE WITHOUT HAVING YOUR PCT ALREADY IN ORDER!

Second, since you have already started we have to help you get from where we are at now. I am going to paste a good post from Nelson Montana since I do not know how to link. Lord I hope this does not get this thing rolling again.



I'll say it right now -- MAKE THIS A STICKY!!!

To anyone who doesn't know it, here's the deal. Read it and weep...

MOST PCT PROCEDURES ARE BULLSHIT!!!

How can I say that? Well, because PCT is nothing but guesswork -- granted, there's some science and some very clever hypothesis involved, but it is not a medical treatment simply for the fact that it is not recognized as a medical condition. So what some of the pioneers of steroid use did was make some educated guesses as to what to use. But almost everything was considered a "good idea" 10 years ago, has been discredited.

The first "prevenative drug was Nolvadex. This was the brainchild of Dan Duchaine. He was brilliant in deducing that gyno was a form of a breast tumor and nolva was an ANTI BREAST TUMOR drug. But nolva comes with a host of side effects, including, lessened gains, lowered sex drive, bone loss,increased LDL and potential heart disease. And for what? Reducing the risk of gyno which can be prevented in the first place. Evn Dan admitted it was a shitty drug. So how did it become so popular for PCT? Because the internet is filled with idiots who are promoted as drug gurus. There isn't one shred of evidence that shows nolva to help restore HPTA. Not ONE. But old habits die fast.

Clomid? Don't get me started. It's an estrogen It does what estrogens do. If you recover using Clomid it's usually IN SPITE of it, not because of it. In some cases it acts as an estrogen antagonist -- if your estrogen is high -- and you're lucky enough to respond in that way. Feeling lucky? You don't have to. There's a better way.

The smartest PCT is a 6 step program.

Step One: While "on" use HCGenerate to lessen suppression.

Step Two: Use hcg or HMG to kickstart your HPTA. This will not last however. The body must take over on its own, but this will help. DO NOT over use hcg. It will only lose effectiveness if you do too much.


Step Three: Use Proviron and/or Unleashed to lower SHBG and increase free testosterone -- making it as high as possible, even when suppressed. At some point you have to come off the Proviron but the Unleashed , which works similarly, can be used indefinitely.

Step Four: Use Aromasin to remove excess estrogen that may build up when androgen levels are lower and to allow the body to create more natural testosterone.

Step Four: Use POST CYCLE to detox Liver, balance e and maintain erectile function -- VERY IMPORTANT when recovering. It keep the hormonal system working and that keeps the body making testosterone.

Step Five: Use Forma- Stanzol to keep Estro on check. If you're ultra sensitive to estrogen sides, add a tiny bit of Arimidex. That's all you need.

Steo Six: Follow with BRIDGE to keep that "on" feeling. gear is also excellent to replicate the extra nitrogen that steroids provide. The 2 work great together.

There you have it. It's a little more complicated than just popping a pill of one thing or the other, but it's the only TRUE PCT there is. And the bottom line is ...it works. EVERYTIME. GUARANTEED.
 
nice blu...agreed. People need to spend at least the same amount of time putting together there PCT's as they do there cycles..sadly most people just half ass it and in the end see half ass results. Simple.
 
I mean I did already read this sticky post. But pct is different for every steroid wouldnt you agree. and to me from all the research i have seen in my anabolics books and online that sticky seems like a bunch of crap.

just lookin for some info for someone who has done a similar cycle for a first timer. thats all. not a lifelong history lesson
 
i mean i did already read this sticky post. But pct is different for every steroid wouldnt you agree.

no

and to me from all the research i have seen in my anabolics books and online that sticky seems like a bunch of crap.

times have changed

just lookin for some info for someone who has done a similar cycle for a first timer. Thats all. not a lifelong history lesson

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~ez
 
I mean I did already read this sticky post. But pct is different for every steroid wouldnt you agree. and to me from all the research i have seen in my anabolics books and online that sticky seems like a bunch of crap.

just lookin for some info for someone who has done a similar cycle for a first timer. thats all. not a lifelong history lesson

A: If you're not inetested in answers, why are you asking?

B: If the crap you've read is what you want to believe, then you already know what you you want to know.

C: Do you think your cycle is so unique it requires some magical combination of exotic ingredients? First of all, using nolva after deca would be a disaster. If you studied how these drugs work, you'd already know that. Secondly, there is no PCT for deca produced progesterone. (Though the froma may help). deca and Tren are the hardest compounds to recover from.

There's more, but digest this first. No one is looking to argue with you. But if you're here to learn, you have to listen.
 
A: If you're not inetested in answers, why are you asking?

B: If the crap you've read is what you want to believe, then you already know what you you want to know.

C: Do you think your cycle is so unique it requires some magical combination of exotic ingredients? First of all, using nolva after deca would be a disaster. If you studied how these drugs work, you'd already know that. Secondly, there is no PCT for deca produced progesterone. (Though the froma may help). deca and Tren are the hardest compounds to recover from.

There's more, but digest this first. No one is looking to argue with you. But if you're here to learn, you have to listen.

couldn't have said it better
 
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