2nd cycle

[Jefferyaron]

I'm 22 5'7 172lbs I'd say around 12-13% bf. I'm currently wondering about doing a second cycle maybe a cutting cycle. I'd like to do a sust winny cycle could anyone help me out? Any info would be awesome thank you guys. I'm a fan of gp so far so that's what I'd be running....

 

[oxymoron]

Sust and winny would be ok. I hold water on sust but winny will help dry u out. What is key here for ur goals (cutting) would be ur on-cycle diet. Do some research on diet planning for a cutting cycle.

 

[Jefferyaron]

Alright I got ya thank you I'll definitely be doing that. As far as info I guess I'd be asking if I were to run a 12 week cycle. Would I run sust 1-12 500 mg and winny 8-12 40-60mg? Like I said any info is great to here this is pre planning

 

[Jefferyaron]

Also could I use deca 50-100mgs a week just for the joints?

 

[oxymoron]

Sust has some long esters in it so it'll be active for a few weeks after ur last injection. B/c of that i'd run the winny long vs the sust, so for example run the winny to wk 15 and then start pct.

The pct u want to use here is...
Forma stanzol
Post Cycle from Protein factory
Unleashed from PF
Clomid for 4 wks at 50mg/day wk 1, then 25mg wk 2-4

Also while on cycle i'd add in some hcgenerate to make pct go a tad smoother.

 

[oxymoron]

Also could I use deca 50-100mgs a week just for the joints?

i wouldn't add deca in their just for the possiblity of keeping joints healthy. just get a good joint supplement like Forged Joint Support from mrsupps.com and u'll be good to go.

 

[Jefferyaron]

Alright sweet thank you

 

[Nelson Montana]

there's no such thing a s a "cutting" cycle. That's diet. some steroids are more bloating than others and in that case, deca is the worst of the bunch. so your logic is a bit flawed here.

 

[snooch pounder]

Nelson, I've heard this many times from vets like yourself and certainly mean no disrespect. But, how do you explain the cycle I'm just wrapping up? It consisted of Test 400, primo and tbol.

Throughout the entire cycle I ate like a 350lb NFL offensive lineman in the offseason and lost about 2% bf and got more shredded than I've ever been. I'm not arguing, just looking for an honest explanation for the comment about no such thing as a cutting cycle. Thanks

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[Nelson Montana]

Nelson, I've heard this many times from vets like yourself and certainly mean no disrespect. But, how do you explain the cycle I'm just wrapping up? It consisted of Test 400, primo and tbol.

Throughout the entire cycle I ate like a 350lb NFL offensive lineman in the offseason and lost about 2% bf and got more shredded than I've ever been. I'm not arguing, just looking for an honest explanation for the comment about no such thing as a cutting cycle. Thanks

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Well, first off you didn't do deca so there was no bloat and water weight gain. And secondly, you burned more calories than you ingested. And yes, the gear made your body more metabolically effecient , but any steroid will do that. There are no special "cutting" steroids. Except for Tren.

 

[RickRock13]

Well, first off you didn't do deca so there was no bloat and water weight gain. And secondly, you burned more calories than you ingested. And yes, the gear made your body more metabolically effecient , but any steroid will do that. There are no special "cutting" steroids. Except for Tren.

^This is absolutely true. Some compound may suit some goals better than others but diet and training is what does it. You can cut on dbol and bulk on winny, even though they aren't typically used in that fashion

 

[snooch pounder]

I see, my only explanation for it was that my workouts were way more intense and i needed significantly less rest between sets and even workouts. So i can now see what you guys are saying. Tbol was sweet! Didn't get any strength gains from this cycle compared to previous ones, but the endurance was at an all time high. Thanks

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[Jefferyaron]

Sorry for my bad lingo you ate correct it was flawed... I was thinking of kick starting a future cycle with tbol, I heard it was hit or miss anybody have experience with it?