2nd cycle please critique

[PHOENIX21]

alright tell me how it sounds. stats are 22 180 lbs 6'1. diet is gonna look like this. 3500 cals, 300-350 protein, 300 carbs, moderate fat.and train like an animal

weeks 1-8 375 mg organon sust.
weeks 1-8 300 mg norma deca
both deca and sust will be shot every 5th day!!

weeks 8-11 50 mg winny eod
weeks 8-11 clen

both winny and clen to harden and retain muscle gained

week 11 clomid therapy

 

[Mass Myth]

sounds good, you could also try sticking a cc of sus in you every third day but go with what you want. winny at the end is great, watch for hairloss though.

 

[Golfer18--old]

Replace the winny with anavar. The winny is just gonna shut you down harder. I dont see any clomid?

 

[Golfer18--old]

And winny for four weeks at 50mgEOD wont do too much.

 

[PHOENIX21]

bump

 

[Willyumyum]

Winny should be @ least 50mg/day, 50mg EOD will keep bringing it in and out of your blood stream because of it's extremely short half-life...
This is just me but I'd change some things around....

Basically I'd run the test/deca shots in a monday thursday fashion, or something of the like. I'd make the winny 50ED, not EOD, And I'm exactly sure why you have the clen in there for that four week stretch? I would hit clomid week 12 not week 11, since you are stopping deca and sust in week 8 you need a full 3 weeks off from those until you can start your clomid, not start in the 3rd week off... I guess I'd change a lot in that cycle...

YUM

 

[BigAndy69]

A few comments: 3500 cals!?!?! No way don't even waste your time or money, just get some creatine.

What was your first cycle?

This is what I recommend with the excellent brands you have(make sure they are real)

Sust: 250mg with 200mg of Deca shot every 4 days for 8 weeks: This will give you 500mg of sust and 400mg of Deca a week. The winny is an excellent addition ay 50mg EOD(assuming it's injectable zambons) for weeks 8-11(12 would be better)

Start clomid on w12 as well as clen w12 or 13.

Make sure you are using 0.5mg of arimidex a few days before your cycle and all the way to the end of clomid therapy.

 

[PHOENIX21]

alright, so up the cals how about 4500

and do the clen during clomid therapy

 

[Mass Myth]

Make sure you are using 0.5mg of arimidex a few days before your cycle and all the way to the end of clomid therapy. [/B]

i disagree, dont use any anti e unless you need to use them, they are expensive. most people dont experience alot of bloat on a cycle like that, the only thing i would worry about is growing boobs.

 

[BigAndy69]

i disagree, dont use any anti e unless you need to use them, they are expensive. most people dont experience alot of bloat on a cycle like that, the only thing i would worry about is growing boobs.

Who ever said that steroid use was cheap? If you want to take the necesaary precautions you need to spend some money.

If you can't afford the auxillary drugs, then don't use steroids. It's that simple. I'm itching to do a cycle right now but I can't because I want to be able to get Arimidex and HCG and still be able to pay the rent.