2nd cycle. K for suggestions

[black sheep]

Personally, I think the test is too low. I would suggest 500mg would give you much better results.

I would also run dbol at 30mg for the first 4 weeks, this will give you an awesome kickstart to your cycle.

As for the anavar I would save it for your cutting cycle, in so doing keeping your receptors primed for it's effects. I know it is multi-purpose, and can result in great strength gains, but people get the best results out of it when cutting. I would suggest that 40mg var would be enough.

week 1-10 Test Enath 500mg/week
week 1-12 EQ 400mg/week
Week 7-12 Var or Winny 50mg ed

That is what I would run with as a second with your goals. You will gain plenty of mass with minimal water if you run adex throughout.

The Winny or Var will harden you up in the end. I have the same goal as you and here is my next bulker/cutter

Week 1-10 Test Cyp 500mg/week
Week 1-5.5 NPP 100mg EOD
Week 5.5-11 Tren 100mg EOD
Week 1-4 D-Bol 30mg ED
Week 5-11 Winny 50mg ED
Week 1-15 Dostinex .5mg e4d
Week 1-15 A-Dex .5mg ED
Week 1-12 Tylers Liver Detox 6caps ed
Week 12-16 PCT (Nolva, HCG and Clomid)
Week 13-16 LR3 IGF-1 40mcg ED

Basically it is a bulker and a cutter put back to back with a long ester test as the base.

 

[slat1]

Where is the HCG and Clomid? You are not going to be too cut when you crash and stop producing test and start producing estrogen!

 

[Apexx]

Alright time to start up, hopefully get everything together by march and have at least 4-6 weeks of major cutting before summer. Here goes.

Wk1-10 Test enth. 300wk
wk1-10 EQ 500-600wk (EDIT, Sorry bros i was meaning EQ in my head)
wk4-12 Var @50mg/day (up to 65)
wk1-12 adex @.5/day (not absolutely needed, but i have some laying around)

this will be my 2nd cycle. I am going for a partial builker. I am 5'7 178 11%BF, looking to get up to 190@9%, it will be all about eating.

any suggestions would be great, K to all u guys.

You're looking to bulk up and cut down at the same time huh, that'll be a neat trick.

I personally don't see the need to jump into three compounds on your 2nd cycle. I'd run 500mg/test with 400mg/EQ for 12 weeks along with the adex to keep any bloating down. Save the var for another cycle.

 

[Apexx]

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As for the anavar I would save it for your cutting cycle, in so doing keeping your receptors primed for it's effects.

I agree with you about saving the var for another cycle, but your androgen receptors cannot tell the difference between steroids.

 

[Ulter]

I am still not sure what your final goals are here. You say it's a bulker on top but you're using two fine cutting drugs.
It's easy to fix though. Like these guys said, hold on to your var and then switch the eq for NPP. Leave the rest. Add clomid at the end for PCT.
Now if you're not looking for a lot more size then do it just like you re-wrote it. Use the eq use the var and test. That's a great pre-summer cycle.

 

[dugie65]

of course there will be pct, i just thought that was a given. pct will be run at clomid 300mg day 1, 100mg day 2-14, and 50mg day 15-30. Nolva run with it at 20mg for the whole 30 days. Only problem is i have a vacation in mid june that i will have to plan around, so 13-14 weeks is out of the question.
also after reading everyones comments and based on my goals would this look like a better choice?

wk 1-10 500mg test
wk 1-10 400mg EQ
wk 8-15 50mg ed var\winny
wk 11-13 clen 2wk on 2wk off until mid june

would it be smart to run the EQ longer than the test, or do i have the two confused?
tell me if i'm wrong, i just assumed that a test EQ cycle would kick some ass, but thats just in my head. With minimal water bloat on the 2nd compound(EQ) and LBM increase i would assume it would be better than bulking up to 220 and then back down to 200. My goal is to gradually get up to 200 then drop a bit of fat, rather than gain 40, lose 20.

 

[MattyD]

Ok, Hello I am new to this forum, in fact it is my first. I have been experimenting with anabolic steroids for a little bit on and off and I don't seem to be making good enough gains (in my opinion)
I am 175lbs, 5 feet eight inches tall and I am a fairly cut individual, with not much body fat at all.

I started with Test Sustanon as a starter cycle with Dbols
I was taking 500 mg of Test Sustanon each week with about 50 mg of Dbol daily
Approx a month later I started tren with my test continuing to take 500mg of test sust a week and 200mg a week of tren eth
My second cycle I used the same test sustanon taking 500mg a week and 200mg of deca
After approx 2 months of deca I switch to Test eth/socaproate 400 blend, and tren eth
This was my most recent switch where I was taking:
1ml of test eth/soca twice a week at 400mg/ml with 1mg of tren eth twice a week at 200mg/ml
I noticed tons of sweating but not really a bulking affect, I shedded alot of weight and it took alot of time to see only minimal games
I was using Olympic Pharma and now I have switched over to Svenske Apotech and am looking to bulk up fast and effectively.

I just invested in some Test cyp 250mg/ml and deca 300mg/ml
My question is...

What would be a recommended dosage now, for both test and deca weekly?
At first I was thinking 3ml (750mg) of test cyp. and 2ml (600mg) of deca weekly
Is this a bad idea?

NEEEEEED somee good advice!

Thanks!!

 

[Lancer55]

Ok, Hello I am new to this forum, in fact it is my first. I have been experimenting with anabolic steroids for a little bit on and off and I don't seem to be making good enough gains (in my opinion)
I am 175lbs, 5 feet eight inches tall and I am a fairly cut individual, with not much body fat at all.

I started with Test Sustanon as a starter cycle with Dbols
I was taking 500 mg of Test Sustanon each week with about 50 mg of Dbol daily
Approx a month later I started tren with my test continuing to take 500mg of test sust a week and 200mg a week of tren eth
My second cycle I used the same test sustanon taking 500mg a week and 200mg of deca
After approx 2 months of deca I switch to Test eth/socaproate 400 blend, and tren eth
This was my most recent switch where I was taking:
1ml of test eth/soca twice a week at 400mg/ml with 1mg of tren eth twice a week at 200mg/ml
I noticed tons of sweating but not really a bulking affect, I shedded alot of weight and it took alot of time to see only minimal games
I was using Olympic Pharma and now I have switched over to Svenske Apotech and am looking to bulk up fast and effectively.

I just invested in some Test cyp 250mg/ml and deca 300mg/ml
My question is...

What would be a recommended dosage now, for both test and deca weekly?
At first I was thinking 3ml (750mg) of test cyp. and 2ml (600mg) of deca weekly
Is this a bad idea?

NEEEEEED somee good advice!

Thanks!!

make a new thread bud just copy n paste this, this is an old thread.

 

[MattyD]

how do you make a new thread?