20 Years Old, First Cycle.

[lgnorantBliss]

Hey, new to the forums, posting here to get the vet's opinions on my first cycle, having been researching since my second year of training, ( have been training since i was 16, 20 years old now), added a considerable amount of LBM on my frame, 10-11kg, in addition to having lost 50kg of fat from my physique from my heavy bulks (which hind-sight were not the best approaches although i did learn alot about my body), i am not new to the nutrition and diet game, much like everything i do with my diet it is very malicious in terms of structured and planned, i know that 20 years old is not the best age to be thinking of Anabolics although having said that with coming onto 4 years of training on my belt, having added 20-25lb of pure muscle on my frame and losing 50kg+ fat naturally shows my dedication and knowledge on nutrition and diet, in addition to this hopefully you can tell by my well though out cycle and PCT that i am here to minimize risks, i am aware of risk/reward.

My stats;

20 Years Old,
5'11-6'0.
175lb~



Goal: My Goal is to add a significant amount of LBM this cycle (10-15lb+) , have a few questions regarding PCT and HCG.


Cycle;
Week 1-8 test prop 150mg/EOD.
Week 2-8 Armidex 0.5mg EOD
Week 2-8 HCG 250IU x2 Week Monday and Thursday.


PCT;
Week 15 40mg Nolvadex Every Day 50mg clomid Every Day
Week 16 40mg Nolvadex Every Day 50mg clomid Every Day
Week 17 20mg Nolvadex Every Day 50mg clomid Every Day
Week 18 20mg Nolvadex Every Day 50mg clomid Every Day



Questions in relation to cycle & PCT;

- Im thinking of whether using HCG start of week 2 as then that's when i know i will be suppressed since i am using a shorter ester, the reasoning for this is i have read after mixed HCG is only 'good' for 6 weeks, i can use the pregnancy test to check although i think using it first week will be unnecessary.

- Same goes for my AI (Armidex), week 2 start should suffice thats when the bloating will come from what i have read on other logs, correct?

- On a 8 Week cycle EOD pins, i will finish my last pin on a 'saturday' my last HCG pin will be on thursday that same week therefore am i safe to have everything COMPLETELY stopped on saturday and start my PCT protocol Tuesday on the following week or should i start monday for the sake of easier timing?


In terms of my diet; My TDEE @ 170lb is 2950, my calories will be consisting of 3000 at the baseline start of my 'bulk' at the macros of 250/350/75 (P,C,F) This will naturally raise higher and higher as my bulk continues, in terms of food sources im aware this post is already long enough so i will not post down a generic diet plan although i will be sitting away with sodium due to chances of bloating and to keep it down, fat will consist of poly and mono (also saturated for health reasons, just minimized)

My training regime is a 5 day split,
Monday; Chest/Abs/Traps
Tuesday; Quads/Hammies/Calves
Wednesday; Shoulders/Traps
Thursday; Back/Biceps
Friday; Chest/Triceps

Question regarding my split;
1. My main priority development wise would be definitely my chest, with the aid of anabolics training chest twice a week would seem do-able although close to shoulders (such as shown on wednesday and friday) would that be a issue due to recovery? being a natural i am not sure on the frequency in which such big bodyparts can be hit a week. I am aware traps are already very responsive to training and can be trained EOD.

For the people who read through that WHOLLEEE thing, thank you. I know i will get the "learn how to diet, natural potential!, i am aware and im sure this may not be the BEST idea at this age, although before i do commit and take that first injection, i will be having a blood test, EKG on my heart, urine test for my liver, everything needed to make sure i am in good health to undergo this.


In Addition; pictures to show that i am not new to training, i know many are bigger then me and rightfully so, you are all older then me but i do hold my own....picture of wheels first.

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[Nelson Montana]

It doesn't matter that you have 4 years of training under your belt. You'll grow a lot more muscle at 20 than you did at 17. And judging from your cycle you appear to be woefully ill informed.

 

[lgnorantBliss]

It doesn't matter that you have 4 years of training under your belt. You'll grow a lot more muscle at 20 than you did at 17. And judging from your cycle you appear to be woefully ill informed.

Besides the fact that test e/c is the preferred first cycle preference, what else is there that i am ill informed about?

Not to come off and sound brass but as much as us 20-23 yr olds get a rap from the 20 or so year old idiots who come here suggesting a tren only cycle at 1g for their firsts, no idea of PCT, "what is HCG, is that a AI?" I'd like to note that i am the complete opposite in terms of diet/research, hard to potray that over the interwebs, just one of those things you would know if you knew me personally.

I am malicious in my diet and training to the t, moreso then most vets i see at my gym by far.

 

[RickRock13]

No talk of steroids for those under 21 bro. You are too young for this, and not ready. Read the rules.

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