2 days on Winnie and prostate problems occurred

[LitttleBig]

Fellas--

On my first cycle ever I chose winstrol and I was running it at 40 mg per day. I chose an oral as my first cycle because I was worried about the sides and wanted to get my feet wet. I hope I dont get flamed for that choice. As it turns out it was probably not a bad decision.

On the second day of the winstrol I noticed a pressure building just under my testicles. And it burned a bit to pee. There was just an uncomfortable feeling all day in that area. If I stood counterposto in any way I could feel the pressure right by my testicles or the area between them and the anus. It wasnt cool. I also found ejaculation harder than normal and slightly painful or burn. It was also more difficult to control ending urination when the flow is usually cut off. Its like I didnt want that little contraction to occur because it didnt feel right.

I assumed it was the winstrol and I quit the cycle. I was running saw palmetto at 1000 mg a day before the cycle and during these two days. So this didnt help at all. This freaked me out so much I stopped. It took about 5 days to subside. Now its fine.

My question is. Since Saw Palmetto didnt help me, would proscar be any better? Im contemplating using what I have in August this time with proscar and downing the dose to 30 mg for 6 weeks. Another question I have is does this mean with any AAS usage Im going to encounter prostate problems? A bro of mine couldnt believe I reacted this badly that quickly but he said I had all the classic signs of an enlarged or highly irritated prostate. I was willing to accept other sides but not this one so I abandoned the cycle. But, now its killing me as I know what it feels like and what my body was beginning to feel like. Though if I can't stop this side its not worth it to me. All thought and comments would be appreciated. Thanks so much!!

 

[THE_BIG_FED]

what kind of saw palmetto was it? if it wasn't saw palmetto extract at about 600mgs a day, that is your problem. you can take 2,000,000 of the non extract and possibly get no effect. check it out and see if it was standardized for extract potency. if it was, then you do have problems. SP extract works for everyone i have known if you get the good stuff. i find it much more powerful than proscar. but i wouldn't take 5mg of proscar a day, no way. 1mg ED yeah.

 

[ripper911]

can you give more info on your cycle history and what your currently on now(are you stacking the winny with something else) also what was the dose of the saw pawmento and how amny times a day did u use it

 

[JibbyJabba]

can you give more info on your cycle history and what your currently on now(are you stacking the winny with something else) also what was the dose of the saw pawmento and how amny times a day did u use it

exactly... and how old you are as well.

Also...what sort of Winny was this?

 

[LitttleBig]

Fellas--

Sorry. I should make it clearer. This was the first experience with AAS. As I said I chose an oral so I could get my feet wet and see how my body reacts. I was running nothing else as far as AAS goes. Just the winny. I did have a friend from the board helping me and he recommended proscar if i want to try it again.

I am 25 years old. 5 years training. 5'5" 160 at 8%. I compete; have had some success at the local amatuer level in the bantams. Ive been almost as big as 190 lbs but I looked sloppy. Good in clothes not so much naked, lol! Im much happier lean and mean than bulky and above 13%. So I do know how to eat to gain or lean out etc. When I began training I was 120lbs. at age 20. So Ive actually added a decent amount of size and shape to my structure. This cycle was to add about 7lbs of nothing but muscle and maybe drop a little bf.

I looked at the Saw Palmetto I had it said extract. So I assume I had the right stuff. I was taking 1000mg the first day, but on the second day I downed about half the bottle to try to get a response due to the side i was experiencing. So Id easily say over 1500mgs. But it continued to hurt and did so for over a couple days. I should note i continued with the saw palmetto at 1000mg for a week after stopping and was still feeling a little discomfort until about day 5. I hope this info helps.

LB--

 

[LitttleBig]

Just realize someone asked what sort of winny?It was 5 mg the little yellow stop signs. My understanding is these arent pharmaceutical but a generic. But Im the newbie. I did a search on here and read about them but now i cant remmeber. I just know everyone said they worked well. I definitely felt them from the first ten minutes I popped them. Its also possible this just wasnt the AAS for me. In a meeting at work on day 2 I bent over to get my pen and when I come back up I had a huge head rush and I had popped a vein in my right eye. It was all bloody looking, everyone was asking what was wrong with my eye. It was just a vessle but I had to leave the meeting to see wtf happened. This was just not a real good first experience by any means. I had heard of nose bleeds but not vessles in the eye popping, wtf.

LB--

 

[JibbyJabba]

Just realize someone asked what sort of winny?It was 5 mg the little yellow stop signs. My understanding is these arent pharmaceutical but a generic. But Im the newbie. I did a search on here and read about them but now i cant remmeber. I just know everyone said they worked well. I definitely felt them from the first ten minutes I popped them. Its also possible this just wasnt the AAS for me. In a meeting at work on day 2 I bent over to get my pen and when I come back up I had a huge head rush and I had popped a vein in my right eye. It was all bloody looking, everyone was asking what was wrong with my eye. It was just a vessle but I had to leave the meeting to see wtf happened. This was just not a real good first experience by any means. I had heard of nose bleeds but not vessles in the eye popping, wtf.

LB--

I think it's very possible you weren't using Winny.

You felt it in 10 minutes? That sure doesn't sound like Winny. Maybe methyltest... I dunno. Not Winny. Maybe it was just a placebo effect...

The prostate sides you experienced remain at the center of a debate as to whether Winny is hard on the hairline/prostate. Whether it is or not, I think most will agree that winny will not create such prostate issues within a few days. Same thing with the blood pressure...

 

[THE_BIG_FED]

I think it's very possible you weren't using Winny.

You felt it in 10 minutes? That sure doesn't sound like Winny. Maybe methyltest... I dunno. Not Winny. Maybe it was just a placebo effect...

The prostate sides you experienced remain at the center of a debate as to whether Winny is hard on the hairline/prostate. Whether it is or not, I think most will agree that winny will not create such prostate issues within a few days. Same thing with the blood pressure...

"yellow stop signs" are BD winny's. i have been using them myself. SP extract always works on my prostate even with AAS and clen together. forget a dose and OUCH! that shit pinches like a mofo. so i think he has real stuff by the sounds of it....unless this description can be related to another AAS. maybe its all in his head.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

DEHYDRATION is a more likely cause of your problem.. winstrol in particular causes a shift in water balance.

 

[LitttleBig]

Thanks for your thoughts. My first dose was right before training. I took 10 mg to begin. It wasnt 4-5 sets into the workout I felt a much bigger pump than normal. By the time the workout was over my head was pounding. Forearms were sickly vascular.

Ive been dieting and training for a long time and Im very in tuned with my body. Is it not possible I felt these when I did just because Im more in tune with my body. I know I felt something for sure. There was a throbbing all night long on the first night and that night I couldnt sleep for shit. I would have to do a search to know what methyltest is. But these were sold as winnies. I dunno. All I know i what I explained. Thanks for your time.

Does anyone else have any thoughts on proscar for such sides? Dosing etc.

LB--

 

[LitttleBig]

Also if I decide to go again. Does anyone have a surefire way to know whether what I was experiencing was prostate related? Thanks,

LB--

 

[Triple J]

Unless you have a history of prostate issues I would avoid proscar and even saw palmetto. I think you are being a little paranoid. Follow macs advise and drink more water. Consider a lower dose to start, say 20mg for the first few days and taper your way up to 40mg if you like. And yes, if you are really cleaned out you can feel the effects right away,

 

[assman]

Hey, I get an enlarged prostate from winny as well. I just down the dose a little & it subsides in a couple days. Also make sure you're saw palmento is extract STANDARDIZED TO 85-95% fatty acids or it's useless. Good luck.

 

[LitttleBig]

LittleBig

Thanks everyone. Im going to go again on this later and start at a lighter dose. And thanks to the poster who said you can feel if you are cleaned out. And yes this was the first time so I was very clean of course. later

LB--

 

[Nelson Montana]

First -- agreed lots of water.

Second -- it sounds like this shit just doesn't agree with you. You can't always trust the generics. Go with some real oxandrolone next time, if you're looking for a mild oral.

Third -- haven't a clue about your eye.

Forth -- Saw Palmetto will just conteract much of the DHT so it's working against yourself. Use Pygeum and Nettles. That's if you have BPH. Sounds like you may have prostititus -- which has nothing to do the winny but it will make it feel worse. I'd get checkd by a doc. But be warned, the test isn't pleasant.

 

[oubeta]

Saw helped me for sure. I was on a gram of test and started having to piss all the time at night. 2 weeks on saw at 1000mg and problem solved. Heard this can hinder gains or increase estrogen levels?? any truth to this?

 

[DeepZenPill]

I would recommend getting checked out by a doc like Nelson said. That's a very unusual response only 2 days into a cycle at your dose. If it were me, I would just do something else instead of the winny. That's a pretty good sign that it doesn't agree with you. Don't try using proscar like Nelson said about the Saw Palmetto, proscar will negate the androgen you're trying to get use out of.

You could try drinking more water with it if you wanted to try it again. I got bad prostate enlargement symptoms on clen along with EQ and they went away when I started drinking more water.

That blood vessel in the eye story is weird though, I've never heard of anything like that from winny.

 

[wrj]

Seems like you have a serious problem. I'm not trying to scare you but hey if the shoe fits.

Winstrol/stanozolol binds directly to the dht receptors in your body. Hence the prostate problems but sounds like your prostate is extremely sensitive simply cause the winny shouldn't be causing that much trouble. You had 80mg in your body tops, so all 80mg would have to stuck right to your prostate to for it to react like that. Get it checked by your Doc asap and don't mention the winny.

 

[danger_dj]

Depends on your doctor, i tell mine everything. That way he's not going on a wild goose chase trying to figure things out. However, he's not like a lot of doctor's who would simply say: That's the problem stop doing it! He's told me that I won't have any long term effects at just 1 or 2 short cycles a year. I get me blood testing through him to make sure everything is cool. BUT....if your doc is naive and closeminded then maybe you should not tell him.

 

[chicagobuffedbod]

Can anyone recommend a good standardized saw palmetto extract? I don't know what to get.