1st cycle

[swordfish151]

What form of Test do you guys recommend?

what kind do you mean? Sustanon. 250mgs - 500mgs wk for 10 wks! good first cycle. PCT Nolva on hand for gyno during cycle, after cycle 20mgs ED for 3wks, HCG 500iu 3X wk for 3 wks.

 

[idcbp]

ah bro then if you cant "stick" then you shouldnt be thinking about AAS..like the guys said dbol is "rented" muscle if you dont do proper PCT and even then you loose most of what you earned.

I don't know why it the belief that dbol gains are not keepable is so prevailent. The gains, with proper pct, are as keepable as any. Ask needssize or just about anyone who has some quality size and they will tell you the same. Orals such as dbol and drol are essential for mass building in most cases. Do you have to nail your pct and post diet and training? Yes, but this is the case on pretty much any heavy andro cycle. Rented muscle is only if you aren't doing it right.

 

[black sheep]

What is your suggestion for orals?

I won't make a Oral only first cycle suggestion. Hell I won't make an oral only suggestion period.

Test is the basis for all cycles IMO, unless it was a Primo/Var.

Why are you "unable to do the needle"?

 

[Taxman]

I won't make a Oral only first cycle suggestion. Hell I won't make an oral only suggestion period.

Test is the basis for all cycles IMO, unless it was a Primo/Var.

Why are you "unable to do the needle"?

lets just say that orals are easily disguised as any pill and that having the needle around is not an option, although I wish it was

 

[swordfish151]

I don't know why it the belief that dbol gains are not keepable is so prevailent. The gains, with proper pct, are as keepable as any. Ask needssize or just about anyone who has some quality size and they will tell you the same. Orals such as dbol and drol are essential for mass building in most cases. Do you have to nail your pct and post diet and training? Yes, but this is the case on pretty much any heavy andro cycle. Rented muscle is only if you aren't doing it right.

your right idcbp, should have cleared up my comment...i was referring in the content of "not doing PCT right" which i doubt this guy would know how.

 

[Taxman]

I don't know why it the belief that dbol gains are not keepable is so prevailent. The gains, with proper pct, are as keepable as any. Ask needssize or just about anyone who has some quality size and they will tell you the same. Orals such as dbol and drol are essential for mass building in most cases. Do you have to nail your pct and post diet and training? Yes, but this is the case on pretty much any heavy andro cycle. Rented muscle is only if you aren't doing it right.

I appreciate your perspective.

 

[black sheep]

lets just say that orals are easily disguised as any pill and that having the needle around is not an option, although I wish it was

Are you in Jail?? That is the only time I would say that you could not use a pin.

If not, you don't have any hiding place? You are never home alone?
I just don't buy these "I cannot" use pins posts.

As for "easily disguised", what are you going to say "I have a lot of headaches", at least twice a day for 4-6 weeks? That sounds more complicated than hiding a bottle of test and 10 pins.

 

[Taxman]

your right idcbp, should have cleared up my comment...i was referring in the content of "not doing PCT right" which i doubt this guy would know how.

well tell me how to do the PCT right

 

[Taxman]

Are you in Jail?? That is the only time I would say that you could not use a pin.

If not, you don't have any hiding place? You are never home alone?
I just don't buy these "I cannot" use pins posts.

As for "easily disguised", what are you going to say "I have a lot of headaches", at least twice a day for 4-6 weeks? That sounds more complicated than hiding a bottle of test and 10 pins.

Trust me guy

 

[black sheep]

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=376177

Read that about your PCT.

As for your cycle - Good luck - Better start reading, cuz I doubt anyone is really going to help you with your "restrictions"

You have no business touching gear IMO.