1ST CYCLE-Which theory do you...?

[THE PROTOTYPE2000]

How many guys on board suscribe to the "First cycle is the best cycle" theory? Also,do you think you should go all out on dosages on your first cycle(500-750 mgs of Test,400 mg of EQ/Deca,and 30mg of D-bol for the 1st 5 weeks ) to gain the most? Or do you believe in taking a conservative approach(500mgs of Test)?-THE PROTOTYPE

 

[ROAD DOG]

You are going to get alot of different opinions on this subject.Personally I believe your first few cycles should be relatively light,to see how you react to gear.Chances are if you do a huge cycle your first time,you probably would get the same results on half the amount of gear.My first cycle I did 250mg a week of sustanon,and 300mg a week of deca,both for 10 weeks.I gained 35 pounds and gained alot of strength.If I would have doubled my doses and even through in some d-bol to that cycle my results would not have doubled.Just something to think about.

 

[bonannon]

Road Dog -
How big were you when you went on that first cycle? I am just starting my first cycle and was hoping to keep it about as light as yours was, but I keep reading about how I'm wasting my time if I'm not taking at least 500-750mg sust a week. Was a lot of that 35 pounds fat, because that is is a s***load of weight!

 

[The Man Child]

My first cycle was 500mg of Test and 30 tabs of Dbol for 5 weeks.

If I could do it over I'd just do the Test. But I also would like to mention that I waited like 5 months in between my first and second cycle. If I could have done it over I would have done the "time on equals time off" theory.

My advice, make sure you have test in every cycle you do. Its the building block of muscle... 100 years from now, steroids will be so well developed, I seriously doubt EQ or Deca will be major players in the game the way they are today, but I'll guarantee Test will still be in the forefront!

 

[hipsacjack]

BUMP...come on mods

 

[athlete03]

First, more doesn't necessarily equal better. Second, everybody reacts to drugs in different ways. There's no sense in taking mega doses your first time. As I've read, your goal should be to get the most benefit from the least amount of drugs possible.

 

[THE PROTOTYPE2000]

BUMP!!!-THE PROTOTYPE

 

[THE PROTOTYPE2000]

Anymore opinions,guys?

 

[rush]

prototype I hear ya

Choosing a first cyle would have to
be one of the most difficult things
to do. I consider myself to be a very
sane person but I must have changed
my first cycle about 50 f`ing times.
I have settled for a deca dbol cycle
first up following the advice of 2 thick.
Im sure test is a good idea but I figure
I can use that next time up. I know that
everyone says that the virgin cycle is the
most important but I know I will not be
doing just one cycle, so I have chosen to
take it a bit slow to begin, but I think it really
comes down to yourself and what your goals
are and what risks you are willing to take.

Hey Manchild why did you regret the Dbol??

 

[The Man Child]

I think the gains would have been more permanant if I had done what I said in my post reply earlier.

 

[stalker]

Simlpe stack is best in my opinion. Use test and add some dbol first 3-4 weeks if you're using a mixed ester one like omna, sust, etc.

I think the "first cycle is best" is a little bit misleading. Of course it is "best". It's when you are the furthest from your body's maximum size. But it's just a matter of how fast you want to get to your goal. My first four cycles were 2 week cycles. I gained 20 pounds total from them. My fifth was my first long one (375mg omna, 30mg dbol/day) and I gained just under 20 pounds from that one as well. I got to where I want to be, and while it took somewhat longer, I saved both money (less gear) and side effects.

I feel if you start with the entire bag, where do you have to go? Using 2 grams of test and GH for next cycle? Then what? Only use what you need to grow, otherwise you are wasting money and exposing yourself to side effects needlessly. Once you plateau, then you step it up another notch.

Besides, the old timers had fucking great bodies, and many of them used dosages that would be considered very small by today's standards.

 

[FOZY]

I siagree with time on = time off....You could really skrew your HPTA with that equation...( not everyone but I would have) I say time on and then blood work determines time off..

 

[THE PROTOTYPE2000]

Do you consider Omna@500mgs for 10 weeks,EQ@400mgs for 10 weeks,and D-bol@ 30mgs a day for the 1st 4 weeks alot for a first cycle? Mind you,I do weigh 250-255 pounds already.-THE PROTOTYPE

 

[THE PROTOTYPE2000]

Anyone there?

 

[THE PROTOTYPE2000]

Last call!!!

 

[Horny]

Do you consider Omna@500mgs for 10 weeks,EQ@400mgs for 10 weeks,and D-bol@ 30mgs a day for the 1st 4 weeks alot for a first cycle? Mind you,I do weigh 250-255 pounds already.-THE PROTOTYPE

substitue enanthate for omna and I would go only 8 weeks if it is your first cycle and don't go higher than what you have here even if you are tempted and curious.

You realize all the drugs in this stack aromatise? You will need antiestrogens.

If you take the omna you wil have problems timing the clomid therapy correctly.

 

[gtaman]

For the majority (95%) of us, it is not desireable psychologically to "blow up" 40 lbs. on a first cycle or to be introduced to anabolic steroids with a very harsh regimen which may actually have a surprisingly big impact on your body image, interactions with others, etc. And 40 fast lbs. may evaporate fast, causing more psychological confusion.

Just look at that really big juiced up looking guy at your gym, the one who is maybe not naturally a big guy but now is at 5'9" 240 or something. Now ask yourself if you're really sure you want to be that guy. Take a gram on your first cycle, and you'll be getting closer to that guy than maybe you realized, and maybe closer than you wanted if you were being honest about it. The people around you will react to the difference. It is far easier to shrug off / explain 20 lbs. than 40.

So, if in doubt, go with less and take care of your diet, training, and rest.

The other side of it is, you just might not be ready to train hard enough and eat enough calories to justify 750 mg. a week of sus. So it could be wasted gear and the same gains could be achieved on 250 mg sus stacked with something like deca or dbol (or both).

Why not try 250 mg/ wk sus, 200-300 mg/wk EQ, and 25 mg of dbol a day for only the first 4 wks.? You should get 15 permanent pounds off that.

If you should decide later you want to be huger, nothing is stopping you from going on another cycle and upping the dosages then when your body is more accustomed to the weight.

 

[1911]

Re:

I posted this on AF a while back - FWIW re: first cycle strategy:

I found myself in a somewhat similar situation determining the appropriate cycle that would meet my objectives. I need to minimize rapid, excessive gains (career issue) and allow for manageable sides while still meeting my goals for growth. After much research I decided upon Sustanon, Primo and Arimidex. I am not suggesting this is right for you, only you can make that decision.

My logic (in general):

1. Objective: ~15-20 lbs. of retainable LBM in the end.

2. Cycle length: I wanted ~90 days in duration (discounting Primo self-taper).

3. I decided to administer Sustanon every 4th day to leverage the prop but yet extend the test a little longer than the traditional 8-weeks (1 amp every 4th day, 16 amps total = 437mgs Sustanon per 7-day week).

4. I wanted to use an anabolic during the mid-point (@200mgs. week) to slowly build blood levels then hit the anabolic heavier (Primo @400mgs) at the end and run it 3 weeks past the Sustanon to solidify (20 amps total).

5. I decided to maintain moderate doses and never exceed 2ml/2cc per injection. I have set my cycle up to meet this objective.

6. I did not want to fight possible gyno on two fronts, hence my choice of Primo over Deca for the anabolic (I did not want to use EQ, you may).

7. My administration schedule limits injections to a total of 22 (not bad re: scar tissue).

8. No bloat, no tits (a must for me). The obvious choice, Arimidex at .5mg EOD well past the last test injection. Clomid therapy is a given.

Cons:

1. Vets will (rightfully so) discourage Sustanon and suggest Enanth. I did not because I wanted to do “a Test” and all my research indicated Sustanon was a proper choice for a first cycle (certainly debatable). Regarding the cost of Sustanon vs. enanth, that was a non-issue for me.

2. Possibility of sides with Test/Primo - all the obvious and documented stuff.

3. Cost - Sustanon, Primo, Arimidex and "every-fucking-thing else." My cycle is/was not cheap. But...this is an investment and I wanted my experience to be a quality one. I did not allow the cost to skew my judgment or affect my decisions re: objectives, health, etc.

Later,

 

[stalker]

Prototype:

If it's not a big hassle, get blood work done beforehand. Test levels can vary naturally from 200-1,000, and I was at the low end (I'm a real hardgainer) so I don't need much to get my body going. If you are already a big guy, and you have naturally high levels, then the stack you mention is probably just about right. Keep us informed of how it goes. And a big bump for the guys who mention Arimidex!

 

[mranderson]

sust250 or omnadren250
500mg first 2 weeks
250mg evrey 5 days
after that for 8 weeks
during week 2 start winny50mg EOD
Nolv 10mg a day through out cycle
10 day after last test inject start 100mg
a day of comid for 7 days, then 50mg a day for
7 days, also throw in some milk thistle, cranberry
extract and some ALA do detox your live post cycle.
awwwesome first cycle, remember this is totaly new
to you body, your boby will eat this shit up your first cycle, no reason to do big amounts.

 

[THE PROTOTYPE2000]

Bump Again!!!

 

[bigmick]

GO EASY ON YOUR FIRST CYCLE YOUR BODY WILL GET A HUGE SHOCK IF YOU PUMP IN TO MUCH JUICE

 

[Weam]

Testosterone only, it's the base for any cycle
if somebody used Testosterone only at doses of about 600-1000mg/week for 8-10 weeks, it's absolutely safe and very effective

 

[family_man]

safe and effective ?

Okay I know I'm probably gonna get beat up for this. But relative safe and effective is what I'm looking for. I'm thinking of going even lighter on my first cycle. I'm thinking of going with only 250mg of Enanthat per week, for 8 weeks. Will I still need to take 50mg of Clomid per day for 2 weeks after ?
And will I still see a reasonable gain ?
I'm only 5'6" and 160lbs, no clue about my bf% though probably not overly low.
I know it's an extremely mild run, but I've got a 7 month old boy that I don't want to risk going ape shit on cause I'm full of juice.

 

[mranderson]

WEAM hit it man test only cycles in my opion rock,
250mg of sus250 evrey 5 day, is not only effective your first cycle but i have had awwwessome result on cycle 2 3 4 5, of cours these cycles are months apart, and i have never increased the amount of sus250 only brands
i love the TTOKKYO COMPANY TESTONON 250 the injects are a little more painful then most but ttokkyo is the best sust in my opion, no matter what anybody says in my opion you can space out multiple test only cycles, and continue to see awwwesome gains each and evrey time, its test job its what it dose man

 

[mranderson]

TTOKKYO COMPANY TESTONON 250 my dogs love this shit to man,

 

[family_man]

thx man

thx mranderson.
I don't feel quite so much like a wimp or chicken shit for wanting to go so light.
Now all I need to do is either confirm whether or not this source I "may" have found is legit and not a scammer, or find another.

 

[mranderson]

no problem man, remember if it takes just a little longer to see the great gains, then they will be higher quality and alot easier to keep, have a good one, im getting ready to try a new domestic source that some peps say rocks and he has good prices , im going to order today or tommorrow email me in a week or so and ill let you know how it goes.

 

[cgk123]

i agree with road dog

i dont think its wise to do too much your first cycle, you could be just wasting your money and you will shock your body and mind.

road dog if you read this, i was considering that exact same stack for my first cycle, how much did you keep and did you use clomid or hcg after cycle. did u have any bloat and or fat gain or did u use novadex as well?