Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below hey guys....first off im 20 and planning on taking one cycle a year just to see how it works and to keep side effects at minimum. Planning on taking 20mg d-bol 5-6 weeks with test 400mg 10 weeks. using nolva everyday if symptoms come up. following up with clomid and HCG...just wanted to know if you guys had any ideas...also one more important note esp for me bein 20 in all is if u think i should take some stuff for hair loss...i kno i cant predict this stuff but any experiences or what not would be appreciated...thanks!
1st cycle thoughts
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hammertime30
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rocks33 said:
liquidex or liquifemera is more effective than nolva when trying to control bloating. I would save the nolva for your PCT and pick up some liquidex or liquifemera. Also I read that dbol is more effective when placed in a rich anabolic environment meaning it's better to take it around week 5 or 6 when the test has fully kicked in for more solid muscle gains. If you take it sooner, most of the gains will be water and not solid muscle. I learned that after I took dbol at the very beginning for 21 days, but stopped and will continue around week 10 to 13. Most guys on this board will say that you are too young to start cycling, but it's your choice! Good luck!
You can simplify your cycle a little by using nolvadex as the anti-E during your cycle, AND to replace clomid during PCT. Nolvadex will do everything Clomid does, at a lower dosage than Clomid requires. And as a side benefit, Nolvadex helps lipid profiles (raises the HDL/LDL ratio).
Silent Method
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First, congratulations – your first cycle idea looks sane.
I don’t like nolva throughout the cycle. Its best used as a gyno safeguard if symptoms would appear, and some evidence suggests it may be a good addition to PCT. With your cycle I’d bet you’d be safe, gyno wise, skipping compounds like femera or liquidex and opting for proviron at 25-50 mg per day. Not only is proviron a decent anti-e, it will bind to SHBG leaving more free testosterone to do its job. For my first cycle (simply 500 mg of test per week), Huck suggested 25 mg of proviron per day for three-week intervals separated with 10-day intervals of 10 mg of nolva.
However, you may choose something more powerful, such as femera or liquidex in a fairly mild dose if you’re worried about excessive bloating. (They may also help with the skin a bit.) If you go with one of these, you may consider a supplement such as nettle root to bind with SHBG.
Other good supps are Saw Palmetto to help inhibit DHT formation, ALA and Milk Thistle to help keep your liver happy, a good multi vitamin/mineral supplement, plenty of vitamin C and E, and plenty vitamin B-5 (pantothenic Acid) to fight acne.
Yes, the d-bol works well as a synergist with the test once the test gets rolling in your system. (What kind of test are you running anyway?) However, because it kicks in fast, its a good drug to do from the start of the cycle. For my last cycle using sust for 12 weeks I hit d-bol from the start for 6 weeks, took 3 off, and hit it 6 weeks again weeks 10-15 up to PCT.
I don’t like nolva throughout the cycle. Its best used as a gyno safeguard if symptoms would appear, and some evidence suggests it may be a good addition to PCT. With your cycle I’d bet you’d be safe, gyno wise, skipping compounds like femera or liquidex and opting for proviron at 25-50 mg per day. Not only is proviron a decent anti-e, it will bind to SHBG leaving more free testosterone to do its job. For my first cycle (simply 500 mg of test per week), Huck suggested 25 mg of proviron per day for three-week intervals separated with 10-day intervals of 10 mg of nolva.
However, you may choose something more powerful, such as femera or liquidex in a fairly mild dose if you’re worried about excessive bloating. (They may also help with the skin a bit.) If you go with one of these, you may consider a supplement such as nettle root to bind with SHBG.
Other good supps are Saw Palmetto to help inhibit DHT formation, ALA and Milk Thistle to help keep your liver happy, a good multi vitamin/mineral supplement, plenty of vitamin C and E, and plenty vitamin B-5 (pantothenic Acid) to fight acne.
Yes, the d-bol works well as a synergist with the test once the test gets rolling in your system. (What kind of test are you running anyway?) However, because it kicks in fast, its a good drug to do from the start of the cycle. For my last cycle using sust for 12 weeks I hit d-bol from the start for 6 weeks, took 3 off, and hit it 6 weeks again weeks 10-15 up to PCT.
Silent Method said:
Silent- yeah i agree too that i should only start the 10-20mg of nolva if symptoms arise. hopefully they wont and i can save them for my PCT with my HCG...and i think i'll just stick to either the nolva or cloimid as bloating like u were sayin isnt much of an issue for me..i also plan on taking all of the supplements liek thistle and vitamins...anythin besides saw palmetto for the DHT or do u suggest buyin some solution to be on the safe side with me hair? thanks
Silent Method
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Finasteride (prescription proscar or propecia) is a powerful DHT inhibitor.
liquidmuscle
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http://elitefitness.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=81 save the nolv for pct and get some arimidex have hcg and clomid as well
