1st cycle: test or test+eq

[PitBullFootBall]

okay I'm setting up my 1st cycle (I've hit prohormones before for a few cycles). I can get test (ethanate), eq, winny, and dbol. I was thinking of running test at 250 e4d, eq at 200 e4d, dbol @30mg first 4 weeks and winny @50mg last 4 weeks. (12 weeks in duration) I have a post cycle schedule consisting of clomid, nolva, and hcg.
My question is do I have to use all this gear at once to get great results. I have heard test alone will do the job b/c I'm a newbie, what do you reccomend? save the eq and winny for a future cycle or run it now for better gains?

22yrs, 219lbs, 6'6", 5 yrs. training - looking to get to about 235lbs solid, lean, stronger, faster
Thanks Fellas

 

[gregory]

No you don't have to use all your gear to get great results. PLease don't listen to any abusers that tell you other wise. You're new so listen up.

Plan for yourself some 6 week simple cycles. Use only single compunds in the early cycles. Take notes and notice how your body reacts to each compund taken alone. You will make great gains. Remember the of 5mg dball was enough to shatter world records when it was introduced, so don't let anyone tell you, you need a lot of gear.

My early cycles were this:

5 weeks or Winny 50mg Monday and Thursday. Great gains.
6 weeks of 100mg primo weekly. Great gains. Did this cycle 3 times.
Dball, 15 mg daily for 5 weeks.
8 weeks Deca, 200 tapered to 400mg weekly. Good gains, deca dick.

You get the idea. I did not touch test until some time later, and never really had the need to stack. I started working out at 185 lbs and by the time i included test @ 500mg weekly i was able to get up to 275. So follow the advice i gave you, you'll be glad you did 2 years from now.

BTW: I would worry more about learning your body to see what routine work for it best, then plan your diet to a T. DIET DIET DIET DIET, make sure it's well worked out and i not talking about Protein shakes and MRP's. Get all that in place and you'll be amazed how low dosing works on virgin receptors.

 

[Jayy5921]

Gregory is right bro. Keep the first few simple. I would go 8 weeks though. Run the test at 250mg per week for 8 weeks. Run your pct well. You will get nice results from this and it will allow you to know how your body reacts to the substance and will be easier to combat sides,if any, bc u r only running one compound. Good luck man.

 

[hard life]

No need to stack until much later. Your receptors are fresh, so keep it simple. I did sus my first cycle for 10 weeks at 250mg per week and I grew like a weed. It won't take much, at the beginning you could probably get away with doing cycles that more experienced users would laugh at.

 

[slat1]

All the posts above are right on the money. I would run a simple course of test ent. Myself, I like 10 weekers. HCG in the middle and Clomid after. That takes up 1/4 of the year. Take the next 1/4 off and then you can start another. That will give you two quality cycles a year with equal time off!
I would most likely use test 250 twice a week.. mon/thurs.
Good Luck

 

[help4john]

What Slat said! Additionally, I like a little Nolva and HCG thrown into the PCT mix. Many will argue that this is not necessary....but it works for me. I ain't a fixin' nuttin that ain't broke!

Enjoy!

 

[PRoXoNEtAPiMpbitch]

Do a 10 wker of test enanth at 250 mg /wk use hcg (swale protocol) and use nolva for PCT. Iyou feel bloated, use Nolva at 10 mg a day.
save the eq.dbal and eq for furtjer cycles, eat well!!
train like a monster.

 

[PitBullFootBall]

cool, thanks alot fellas - I'll follow your advice and just run test for 10 weeks with a some hcg in the middle and a good pct routine.
Thanks for saving me some money!

 

[DiamondCutCows]

cool, thanks alot fellas - I'll follow your advice and just run test for 10 weeks with a some hcg in the middle and a good pct routine.
Thanks for saving me some money!

We should bunch these "NEWBIES PAYING ATTENTION" type threads and make new registrees read them before posting!!

 

[PitBullFootBall]

We should bunch these "NEWBIES PAYING ATTENTION" type threads and make new registrees read them before posting!!

I thought it was a legitimate question as I have heard differing opinions. Some have offered the original cycle as the perfect 1st cycle while others have said to go low dose and simple. I wanted to get a consensus opinion before I actually fork over my money.
Thanks again to everyone who helped.

 

[yomama]

I thought it was a legitimate question as I have heard differing opinions. Some have offered the original cycle as the perfect 1st cycle while others have said to go low dose and simple. I wanted to get a consensus opinion before I actually fork over my money.
Thanks again to everyone who helped.

Do test and throw in dbol, you should grow.

 

[chiro2b]

i wish i had these exact replies when i started-you guys stole the words from my keyboard...sell the EQ-it's WAY over rated

 

[UA_Iron]

I'd go with test at 500mg for 10 weeks personally, but thats just me.

 

[RADAR]

Do not sell the EQ keep it for future use but you will need more!
Do not use it this cycle listen to what everyone is saying, hormones will cause different reactions in each individual, i have had subjects mail me with rapid heart beats,loss of sleep...etc, not trying to scare you but make you aware that you do not need so much on your first time, get used to it, graduate from there!


RADAR

 

[gregory]

Yep EQ gave me heart beat so rapid and unstable that i couldn't do cardio for anything. Any excertion left me feeling like i overdosed on effedrine. My HR would go through the roof to the point of being close to fallign over from exhaustion... Screw it. Hey, come to think of it, there must have been a reason why it was put on the market for cattle and horses and never for humans, unlike winny and tren.

 

[BionicBC]

Hey, come to think of it, there must have been a reason why it was put on the market for cattle and horses and never for humans, unlike winny and tren.

Good point.
Bionic