1st cycle opinions?

[imraan47]

wanted to know what u guys think on the following cycles as a 1st one...this could be for a bulking up cycle, weight starting at about 170-175lbs...clean diet, high protein, moderate carbs, 20% fat:

Testosterone Enanthate - 250mg / week only for 10 weeks
PCT:
HCG 3000iu for 3wks, and
Nolvadex @ 40/40/20/20 40mg/ed for 1wk, 40mg/ed for 2wk, 20mg/ed
for 3wk, etc.

Should one add Clomid or no? if yes..at what doses? Personally i dont think it would be necessary to use Clomid
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8 Week long Cycle:
2,000mg Primobolan Depot or Primobol for 200mg/week?
1,120mg Anavar
1,400mg Winstrol (Tabs)

Same PCT as above!

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12 week cycle:
500mg/Sustanon per week
week 1-3 /Anavar - 50mg/week
and last 3 weeks Anavar - 50mg/week
PCT:
HCG: 1500iu M W F for 3wks,
pct: 40/40/20/20 for nolvadex, 40mg/ed for week1, 40mg/edfor week
2, 20 for week 3, etc.

 

[immortalis]

honestly... at 170-175 pounds, and 20% bodyfat... you really should cut your bodyfat down prior to wanting to jump on gear. Thats a lot of bodyfat for not a lot of weight bro.

Just my opinion...

 

[AhMadKooL]

wanted to know what u guys think on the following cycles as a 1st one...this could be for a bulking up cycle, weight starting at about 170-175lbs...clean diet, high protein, moderate carbs, 20% fat:

Testosterone Enanthate - 250mg / week only for 10 weeks
PCT:
HCG 3000iu for 3wks, and
Nolvadex @ 40/40/20/20 40mg/ed for 1wk, 40mg/ed for 2wk, 20mg/ed
for 3wk, etc.

Should one add Clomid or no? if yes..at what doses? Personally i dont think it would be necessary to use Clomid
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

8 Week long Cycle:
2,000mg Primobolan Depot or Primobol for 200mg/week?
1,120mg Anavar
1,400mg Winstrol (Tabs)

Same PCT as above!

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

12 week cycle:
500mg/Sustanon per week
week 1-3 /Anavar - 50mg/week
and last 3 weeks Anavar - 50mg/week
PCT:
HCG: 1500iu M W F for 3wks,
pct: 40/40/20/20 for nolvadex, 40mg/ed for week1, 40mg/edfor week
2, 20 for week 3, etc.

Training history? Age? Diet plan?

 

[imraan47]

shit sorry guys i have made a typo there..i meant to say 12% bf NOT 20..of course u would now want to be on any gear or be bulking up for that matter at a 20%BF.

As i said, diet high in protein, moderate carbs, looking at a good 8-9 meals spread out every 2-3 hrs. Training for 6 years and considered advanced. Age 21.

 

[AhMadKooL]

wanted to know what u guys think on the following cycles as a 1st one...this could be for a bulking up cycle, weight starting at about 170-175lbs...clean diet, high protein, moderate carbs, 20% fat:

Testosterone Enanthate - 250mg / week only for 10 weeks
PCT:
HCG 3000iu for 3wks, and
Nolvadex @ 40/40/20/20 40mg/ed for 1wk, 40mg/ed for 2wk, 20mg/ed
for 3wk, etc.

Should one add Clomid or no? if yes..at what doses? Personally i dont think it would be necessary to use Clomid
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

8 Week long Cycle:
2,000mg Primobolan Depot or Primobol for 200mg/week?
1,120mg Anavar
1,400mg Winstrol (Tabs)

Same PCT as above!

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

12 week cycle:
500mg/Sustanon per week
week 1-3 /Anavar - 50mg/week
and last 3 weeks Anavar - 50mg/week
PCT:
HCG: 1500iu M W F for 3wks,
pct: 40/40/20/20 for nolvadex, 40mg/ed for week1, 40mg/edfor week
2, 20 for week 3, etc.

Test 500 mg/week week 1-12

PCT: Letro, Clomid and HCG

 

[Mr.X]

IMO, you have about 4 years of training left where you can stay natural.

 

[scout69]

I'd have to say, run the Test at 500mg a week takeing a shot twice a week, And run it for atleast 12 weeks...

 

[imraan47]

IMO, you have about 4 years of training left where you can stay natural.

well problem is gains are maxing at only 175lbs with about 15% bf (approx. ) i cant get heavier than that even if i eat 5000cal/day!

 

[AhMadKooL]

well problem is gains are maxing at only 175lbs with about 15% bf (approx. ) i cant get heavier than that even if i eat 5000cal/day!

Your 21 now and you said you've been training for 6 years; ie you started training at age 15? I highly doubt that.

As Mr X. said you've got at least 4 years of natural training (since at your current age you already have high levels of hormones in your body) before you can take any AAS. Your saying you're eating 5000cal/day; post up your meal program so that we can see for ourselves. What's your training like?

 

[imraan47]

MY diet!

My meals are all different cuz I cant seem to eat the same stuff everyday. So everyday I eat different things.

NOTE: I have 6 egg white with 1 yolk every Tuesdays, Thurs, Sat and Sun only – because my classes start much later in the day so I have time to make it. On the other days (Mon, Wed, Fri) I take my oatmeal and eat it in class.
NOTE: Im in university so they have a café here where I have a meal plan. So I have one meal in school which is a so called ‘special’. They have different things every day.
(Monday):


5g Glutamine and
1 bowl of Oatmeal

spaghetti with some ground beef with 6” garlic bread – School Special (Vary's everyday)

buffalo chicken sandwich (contains 1 piece of chicken breast, with salad and tomatoes in a bun…just like a hamburger but it’s a chicken breast )

1 bowl Oatmeal before gym
GYM

Post workout!
Protein shake – contains malto/dextrose and 2 scoops of ON 100%Whey protein

Plate full of pasta and ground beef

1 can tuna with with 1 stalk of Celery and light dressing..nutritional info:FAT 5g
Carbs 1g
Protein:0.1g
Cals per 1tbsp – 50cals

Cottage cheese with 1 orange mixed with the cottage cheese.
Protein shake (in milk) with 5g Glutamine

Sleep





Tuesday

10:45 – 6 egg whites with 1 yolk
5g Glutamine

1:00PM ¼ cut chicken with roasted potatoes – School Special (again this varry's everyday)

bowl of oatmeal before gym

Post workout shake -
Protein shake – contains malto/dextrose and 2 scoops of ON 100%Whey protein

plate of pasta and ground beeg

1 can tuna with with 1 stalk of Celery and light dressing

Cottage cheese with 1 orange mixed with the cottage cheese .
Protein shake (in milk) with 5g Glutamine

Sleep


As far as my training goes…I try to do 2 body parts per week.