1st cycle - having read some of the opinions here

[mekannik]

Background.
29 yrs old
6'2"
220# @ 11% B.F.
Training naturally for over 10 years


I've read some of the posts here and looked over some stuff over at T-mag regarding kind, dose, and length of cycle.

Goals: 7-10# of lean mass increase (that I'll keep)

Considering one of the following:
1) Nandrolone, 450 mg per week along with 50 mg per day of stanozolol

2) Testosterone enanthate, 500 mg per week along with 50 mg stanozolol

Length: either 4 on/6 off (twice) - or - 8 on/4 off (once)

Question(s):
1) Most of what I read says to take clomid mid cycle - worth it or not (and yes - I'm more worried about preventing problems than making great gains)?

2) Should I lower the Deca or Test a little due to my being a first time user?


Thanks for the input.

mekannik

 

[serge]

500mg/test/week is a good dose for testosterone, although i would not run winny with it, instead i would add deca at 300mg/week

dont bother with clomid during the cycle, its pointless

use arimidex at .5mg/ed to control estrogen sides

run the entire cycle for 8 weeks, if you want to do 2 4 week bursts then i would look into fast acting drugs, for testosterone; propionate ester would be a good choice, addition of trenbolone acetate along with test prop would be a good stack to run for 4 weeks, dont bother with long esters like cyp or enenthate on a 4 week burst, those will take too long to become active in your system and take too long to get out, making your short cycles very ineffective and inefficient

 

[mekannik]

Thanks for the input.

My "buddy" has been doing this for a couple of years and has his ideas on what I should try - but I'm going to attempt (big word - attempt) to keep my sanity and only get some modest gains.

I like my size and shape now - just would appreciate a little more leg size and overall strength.

 

[serge]

Thanks for the input.

My "buddy" has been doing this for a couple of years and has his ideas on what I should try - but I'm going to attempt (big word - attempt) to keep my sanity and only get some modest gains.

I like my size and shape now - just would appreciate a little more leg size and overall strength.

if you are looking into modest gains then go with iceman's advise, 500mg/test/week, that will get you off very nicely

 

[mekannik]

So just skip on the winny altogether? More so because of the first time cycle?

If so - then I'll look at doing just Test for 8 weeks and Clomid post.

Jesus - why couldn't HMB have worked like I thought it would....

 

[bigmarco]

I agree with Serge.

Test and Deca make a great combo. I would not run a short cycle of 4 weeks with deca. You will take 6 weeks off, but you will only be off for 3 weeks due to the long half life of deca.

Modest gains are for natural trainers on creatine. Get all the gains you can from your firs cycle.

Week 1 & 2
deca 600mg
enanthate 750mg

Week 3-6
deca 400
enanthate 500

Week 7 & 8
Prop 100mg M-W-F

Start clomid 4 days after last prop shot
anastrole 1/2 mg eod

This is a mild front load. You would do well off this cycle, with little side effects.

 

[mekannik]

One last one - just to be sure I've been reading other posts regarding enanthate, prop, whatever...

With Test Enanthate - one (1) shot every 5-7 days is all that's needed?

 

[DrJMW]

Background.
29 yrs old
6'2"
220# @ 11% B.F.
Training naturally for over 10 years


I've read some of the posts here and looked over some stuff over at T-mag regarding kind, dose, and length of cycle.

Goals: 7-10# of lean mass increase (that I'll keep)

Considering one of the following:
1) Nandrolone, 450 mg per week along with 50 mg per day of stanozolol

2) Testosterone enanthate, 500 mg per week along with 50 mg stanozolol

Length: either 4 on/6 off (twice) - or - 8 on/4 off (once)

Question(s):
1) Most of what I read says to take clomid mid cycle - worth it or not (and yes - I'm more worried about preventing problems than making great gains)?

2) Should I lower the Deca or Test a little due to my being a first time user?


Thanks for the input.

For a first cycle, why not follow the KISS rule (keep it simple stupid). Eight weeks of Test 200-400mg IM weekly stacked with DECA 200-400mg IM weekly. Aromasin or Femara or Arimidex daily for anti-estrogen effect. Lots of protein, clean carbs, low fat, heavy weight training. Beginning week 8, add 6000 USP U of HCG IM injected at 2000 USP U three times a week and add Nolvadex 20mg daily for six weeks. Use the HCG for a total of three weeks.

This is simple and you will get results with minimal side effects. Remember, your first cycle IS NOT your last. Learn from the first cycle so you can tweak the next one.

 

[mlomker]

I'd agree to keep it simple. Just test or test/deca. I went way overboard on my first and it wasn't very smart. Test is fantastic...great gains and your wife/gf will love it.

 

[NFG123]

Week 1-6:
30 mg dbol
Week 1-8:
500 mg testoviron

------------- V. Good newbie cycle.