1st cycle after 10+ years off

[Little Rage]

Age: 30+
Cycle History: 10-15, just about anything.
weight: 238 (down from 254 two months ago). Need to be around 215-225 when I start.
Height: 5'11"
Workout: 5x5
Diet: spot on for 6 mo. No alcohol & sugar. Limited protein powder. Stick to solid foods and vegetables.
bf: 12-15 (still holding onto the midsection). Need to be 10-12 When I start.
Training: On and off for 15+ years (been off for 2-3 years due to grad school with horrible diet and drinking during this time).
Goals: Trim, solid muscle, no bloat

Var: 60-100mg/ed - 6wks
EQ: 400mg/wk - 10wks
liquidex - .5mg/ed - 10wks

PCT:
clomid 50mg/ed - 4wks
Clen: 2wks on/off - 6wks (will run 40mcg to 120mcg)
s-4: 50mg/ed - 6wks
MK-2866: 25mg/ed - 6wks


Please don't suggest test (I know my body better than you). I will post before/after pics to show gains. Still acquiring everything but this is where I'm at.

 

[dylangemelli]

Age: 30+
Cycle History: 10-15, just about anything.
weight: 238 (down from 254 two months ago). Need to be around 215-225 when I start.
Height: 5'11"
Workout: 5x5
Diet: spot on for 6 mo. No alcohol & sugar. Limited protein powder. Stick to solid foods and vegetables.
bf: 12-15 (still holding onto the midsection). Need to be 10-12 When I start.
Training: On and off for 15+ years (been off for 2-3 years due to grad school with horrible diet and drinking during this time).
Goals: Trim, solid muscle, no bloat

Var: 60-100mg/ed - 6wks
EQ: 400mg/wk - 10wks
liquidex - .5mg/ed - 10wks

PCT:
clomid 50mg/ed - 4wks
Clen: 2wks on/off - 6wks (will run 40mcg to 120mcg)
s-4: 50mg/ed - 6wks
MK-2866: 25mg/ed - 6wks


Please don't suggest test (I know my body better than you). I will post before/after pics to show gains. Still acquiring everything but this is where I'm at.

i like the fact that you want to get to certain areas before you cycle and you realize the necessity in that... your cycle looks good in terms of the compounds you are running... you already knew everyone would suggest running test but if your not going to then thats up to you...

the BIG problem lies in your pct... FIRST, you NEVER run s4 in your pct... thats a big NO... second, your clomid dose is too high... run it 25/12.5/12.5/12.5... also add in the unleashed/post cycle combo... i always use mk in my pcts... as far as clen, well, noone is going to recommend running a fat burner in pct... i also think clen is too dangerous to ever run, but that's an entirely different story... if your worried about cortisol, run lean xtreme in your pct... like i sad, cycle itself looks fine but your pct is flat out scary bro...

 

[stevesmi]

i will echo what dylan said. you don't need clen at all for your goals and you will muscle waste bigtime running it in PCT.. you want to carb up and reduce metabolism during PCT to keep muscle, you don't want to burn it away especially since EQ is a slow gainer with quality gains, seems like a waste to burn it away for no reason.

EQ also should be run longer. 14-16 weeks. should get good results.

also things have changed bigtime in the past decade, guys who cycle are now using hcg and/or HMG to kickstart PCT's and it works incredibly well, you will be shocked at how much faster you recover using those compounds. and we also are using hcgenerate during cycle to keep the nuts plump. makes a big difference in recovery. i wouldn't even bother using more than 12mg a day of clomid in your PCT.

oh and welcome back to the party pal, i have been off since early april and i'm itching to get back on in another month or two so i can't imagine being off that long.. you must be excited as hell

 

[RickRock13]

I agree with Dylan on the PCT recommendations as well. Adding in some other test boosters, and dropping the Clen and S4 will put you on the right track

 

[dylangemelli]

i will echo what dylan said. you don't need clen at all for your goals and you will muscle waste bigtime running it in PCT.. you want to carb up and reduce metabolism during PCT to keep muscle, you don't want to burn it away especially since EQ is a slow gainer with quality gains, seems like a waste to burn it away for no reason.

EQ also should be run longer. 14-16 weeks. should get good results.

also things have changed bigtime in the past decade, guys who cycle are now using hcg and/or HMG to kickstart PCT's and it works incredibly well, you will be shocked at how much faster you recover using those compounds. and we also are using hcgenerate during cycle to keep the nuts plump. makes a big difference in recovery. i wouldn't even bother using more than 12mg a day of clomid in your PCT.

oh and welcome back to the party pal, i have been off since early april and i'm itching to get back on in another month or two so i can't imagine being off that long.. you must be excited as hell

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ i got so caught up in the pct that i missed that you were only running eq for 10 weeks... do exactly like steve said... 14 weeks at the MINIMUM... nice call steve! =)

 

[Little Rage]

i like the fact that you want to get to certain areas before you cycle and you realize the necessity in that... your cycle looks good in terms of the compounds you are running... you already knew everyone would suggest running test but if your not going to then thats up to you...

the BIG problem lies in your pct... FIRST, you NEVER run s4 in your pct... thats a big NO... second, your clomid dose is too high... run it 25/12.5/12.5/12.5... also add in the unleashed/post cycle combo... i always use mk in my pcts... as far as clen, well, noone is going to recommend running a fat burner in pct... i also think clen is too dangerous to ever run, but that's an entirely different story... if your worried about cortisol, run lean xtreme in your pct... like i sad, cycle itself looks fine but your pct is flat out scary bro...

So why no s4 in PCT. If it has no suppressive effects at this dose I don't see a concern, so I am including it to maintain the gains.

Clomid is tolerable at this dose. And I remember reading other members results that 12.5mg of clomid had only brought their tests levels to 350-400 ng/dl range. Thanks for the input but no thanks.

I have used clen multiple times and I like the results.

 

[TheRippedReverend]

I second that drop s4 and clen

 

[Little Rage]

thanks for advice with the clomid and s4 - maybe I will have to rethink the pct.

as for EQ, unless this has changed too I can recall results from 800mg/wk for 14wks was nothing less comparable to 10wks at 400.

 

[dylangemelli]

So why no s4 in PCT. If it has no suppressive effects at this dose I don't see a concern, so I am including it to maintain the gains.

Clomid is tolerable at this dose. And I remember reading other members results that 12.5mg of clomid had only brought their tests levels to 350-400 ng/dl range. Thanks for the input but no thanks.

I have used clen multiple times and I like the results.

first of all, s4 is suppressive and it is never to be used in pct... if you don't want to fully recover, go ahead and use it in pct... the reason behind the lower dose of clomid is because you run unleashed/post cycle along with it... clomid may be "tolerable" at that dose but its not recommended... thats old times man... unleashed/post cycle has you covered on recovery...

 

[Little Rage]

first of all, s4 is suppressive and it is never to be used in pct... if you don't want to fully recover, go ahead and use it in pct... the reason behind the lower dose of clomid is because you run unleashed/post cycle along with it... clomid may be "tolerable" at that dose but its not recommended... thats old times man... unleashed/post cycle has you covered on recovery...

The information you are stating about suppression is contrary to a link (listed below) a mod provided for drugs profiles in a different post.

After further searching I find myself limited with any info that states that there is significant suppression though a lot of individuals elude to it over the recommended dose of 1mg/kg. Can you provide any concrete evidence or test results that demonstrate that the suppression is detrimental to normal recovery?

DrugsProfiles.com | SARMS And The New Post Cycle Therapy

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ I dunno bro Dylan is an expert with sarm's, i would follow his advice to a tee with that.

as for EQ its a slow builder just like primo and you won't get peak levels till atleast week 5 or 6. so if you run it 10 weeks only you are only getting a few weeks of peak levels in the body. not the optimum way to run it, however it doesn't mean you won't gain. if you want to run a short injectable cycle go with props instead or even tren. i keep my tren E cycles under 10 weeks and have good gains. its a very fast acting AAS.

 

[Little Rage]

^^^ I dunno bro Dylan is an expert with sarm's, i would follow his advice to a tee with that.

as for EQ its a slow builder just like primo and you won't get peak levels till atleast week 5 or 6. so if you run it 10 weeks only you are only getting a few weeks of peak levels in the body. not the optimum way to run it, however it doesn't mean you won't gain. if you want to run a short injectable cycle go with props instead or even tren. I keep my tren E cycles under 10 weeks and have good gains. its a very fast acting AAS.

thanks for the response and I would love to follow his advice but I have yet to see anything that contradicts my findings or corroborates his original statements. Until that time I find myself being a guinea pig and will look to run these two substances asap. My goal is then to have blood work after approximately 6 weeks and we shall see who is correct.

As for the EQ, just remember that since it is a longer lasting AAS that it will linger in the body longer far beyond it's injection (I think I can recall something of a half life of 10+ days). With that said I find 10 weeks to be more than efficient and even a possible deterrent of starting the pct immediately after my cycle.

 

[RickRock13]

What dose of S4 were you planning on running? I would wait to run it after PCT no matter what, but the suppression will also be dose dependent. A dose of 50mg per day will obviously be less suppressive than say 75mg or 100mg per day