1st Cycle Advice

[Vegaman]

I'm putting together my first cycle and want to see what you guys think.

I'm 5'8
190lbs
12%BF
29yrs old

It's an 8 week cycle.

Week 1-8 250mg's/week of Sustanon
Week 2-8 50mg's ED of Winny
20mg's Nolva ED. (I really do not want gyno)
Clomid for end of cycle.
ALA 600mg's ED

Plus a very clean, high calorie diet.

Please let me know what you think.

Thanks

 

[Willyumyum]

At 250mg/week of sust you probably wont need to be on nolva like that... Liquidex/arimidex would be a better choice because it will keep gyno chances away (not really of concern at that dose of test) and will also help keep water retention down..

YUM

 

[mvmaxx]

I'd run the Winny weeks 5-10. That way you fill the void between getting off the sust and starting the clomid. Winny can be run until the day before you start clomid.

I'd also take the Liquidex if you're worried about gyno and have Nolvadex on hand. However, you should be fine with those dosages.

 

[Vegaman]

Is it too short of a cycle do you think? I'm looking for something low to see how my body reacts. Should I think about kick starting it with Dbol for 3 weeks until the Sust kicks in? With these dosages, I'm thinking about 10lbs of muscle or so. Is that about right?

 

[mvmaxx]

Well, if you were to add dbol it would definitely put some weight on you faster in the beginning. However, you significantly increase your chances of getting gyno. Keep it under 30mg/ED and take the Nolvadex 20mg/ED for those first 3-4 weeks if you decide to do the dbol.

10lbs is an attainable target for sure. Just make sure to be at about 4k+ calories/ED. I also think the length of the cycle is fine where it's at.

Weeks 1-8 - Sust @ 250mg
Weeks 5-10 - Winny @ 50mg/ED
Weeks 11 and on - Clomid 300mg day 1, 100mg for 10 days, 50mg for 10 days

This way the Winny will help harden you up and you can run it until the last day of week 10. Then start clomid the next day which would be the first day of week 11, also exactly 3 weeks after your last sust shot.

 

[Vegaman]

Thanks for the advice. I think I'll do that instead. Run the winny weeks 5-10. I'm not gonna worry about the Dbol this time. With the Sust and Winny, do I even need to take the Nolva ED? What about EOD?

 

[Vegaman]

Bump

 

[Beezers]

There's no need for dbol on your fist cycle...esspecially when you're running winny. Two 17aa drugs does not make for a "low key" first cycle. Your cycle looks absolulte fine as planned. There is no need to run the winny past the sust. Keep it short to see how you react and to get a feel for AS. This is only the first of many...it will be many, so don't think it won't Your doses are low, but still enough to ellicit an anabolic response that should get you some nice, fresh, new muscle....without side effects. The only change that you could make would be to run the winny for eight weeks as that one week will make no difference as far as sides, but you may get an extra pound or two!!! As yum said, you won't need the nolva everyday and shouldn't need it at all unless you're unfortunately and unusually blessed with freakish levels aof aromitase or estrogen receptors. My suggestion

weeks 1-8 Sust 250mg/WK
weeks 1-8 Winny 50mg/ED

 

[Vegaman]

Thanks for the responses. I'm ready to go. Will keep ya posted.

Thanks again!

 

[G ChildlihC G]

With Sus and Winny, I say that mvmaxx has it about right, run the winny 3 weeks past your last sustonon injection though so you can jump into clomid right after winny. Reason being clomid should be ran 3 weeks after last sustonon shot. Happy growing.

First cycle, dont need Dbol.