13 Year Old Floridian Faces JUDGMENT Day..

[RyanH]

Again, no one still has given a sound policy reason as to why punishment is superior to reform in dealing with criminals.

As already mentioned: look at where punishment of drug offenders has gotten us----it's given us overcrowded prisons with prisoners who have no business being there.

The current system of punish, punish, clearly isn't working, so why do so many of you continue to endorse it....?

 

[supersizeme]

if we punish murderers by death, they are not given another opportunity to kill anyone else. that in itself is a completely sound argument. a crime as heinous as murder does not deserve any sympathy. he purposely and knowingly ended someone's life...his should be ended period end of statement. if we try to reform them, there is no guarantee that they will not go back out and do it again.

 

[8pack]

Again, no one still has given a sound policy reason as to why punishment is superior to reform in dealing with criminals.

Because Punishment is guaranteed and reform is not.

 

[Warik]

Again, no one still has given a sound policy reason as to why punishment is superior to reform in dealing with criminals.

28 years for murder is not punishment.

Life in prison with no parole or death - criminal is unable to harm another innocent victim.

"Reform" - Criminal laughs after being released.

I bet you think "guilty due to temporary insanity" is a good idea too.

-Warik

 

[RyanH]

Warik---

The insanity defense is rarely ever successful, and when it is, its usually less desirable than getting a normal sentence.

That aside: Warik you are using EMOTIONS in your argument. You still haven't offered a sound policy reason for punishment as opposed to reform....since we know that punishment is not usually a deterrent.

I bet if we devoted more of our resources to reform as opposed to throwing criminals in jail, we would see a reduction in crime.......

Punishment is usually a guaranteed failure. Criminals need help, not a dark jail.....

 

[Natymike]

The 13 year old African American child in Florida, accused of killing his teacher, was just given 28 years by the judge.

How is the fact that he is African American relevant?

Just wondering because you wanted to know why it was relevant to mention the Arabian in my post. Could this be MORE hypocrisy exhibited by RyanH??

 

[Warik]

The insanity defense is rarely ever successful, and when it is, its usually less desirable than getting a normal sentence.

I don't know about you, but spending a few months in some type of mental institution (isolated from humanity... yay!) knowing full well that I am perfectly sound of mental health is certainly more appealing than watching my back and refusing to shower for a few decades.

That aside: Warik you are using EMOTIONS in your argument. You still haven't offered a sound policy reason for punishment as opposed to reform....

Emotions? I'm using fact. Please be so kind as to quote some of my emotional outbursts.

I have given you a sound reason. Appropriate punishment = it doesn't happen again. Reform = he'll do it again after you're foolish enough to unleash him on society.

since we know that punishment is not usually a deterrent.

How do you figure? Many murder/rape/violent crime offenders are repeat offenders. A man who is permanently behind bars or taking an eternal dirt nap CANNOT COMMIT CRIMES. Surprise! Less crime.

I bet if we devoted more of our resources to reform as opposed to throwing criminals in jail, we would see a reduction in crime.......

Reduction in crime? (Petty theft, drug abuse, traffic violations) Sure! Shoplifters will get jobs... drug abusers will get counseling... traffic violators will learn to drive safely.

Reductions in violent crime? (Murder, rape, armed robbery, domestic abuse) You wish. A murderer is a murderer. A rapist is a rapist. If your idea of reform is blatant brainwashing, then I fully support it. Otherwise, I don't see any "proof" of your reform ideas being any better than my ideas. As a matter of fact, my ideas are clearly more effective.

A dead man cannot commit murder.

Punishment is usually a guaranteed failure. Criminals need help, not a dark jail.....

Criminals need to pose for Satanic Goatslayer's pics.

-Warik

 

[RIZZO]

The family of the teacher will NEVER have the satisfaction of having 28 more fulfilling years with their father,husband, brother,uncle, or FRIEND!!The way kids are going now if we as a society DO NOT SEND A CLEAR MESSAGE THAT IF YOU DO A BIG BOY CRIME THEN YOU WILL DO THE BIG BOY TIME then we will see many more of these incidents occur . He was a brilliant child who obviously knew the difference between right and wrong but it was PREMEDITATED.He was told to leave the school because of a waterbaloon fight and then he chose to go home and get a GUN and return knowing damn well he was not coming to talk,but rather to be the judge and jury of a grown man, a teacher, who had done nothing but enforce some mild disciplinary action upon him and he deserved to DIE because of that?? WAKE UP PEOPLE, he took a life,not by accident, but he made the choice to get a weapon and return with all good intention of TAKING ANOTHER HUMAN BEINGS LIFE ???? He had a bright future but he is THE DEVIL and he is lucky he did not get the chair!!He could of just stayed home and been MAD, but he decided in his rage that he was going to take the weapon BACK TO SCHOOL AND SETTLE THE SCORE??? My mother is a teacher and I know how I would feel if some so called kid did that to her!!! I live in florida and I do not want my tax money to go towards supporting his ass in prison AND HIS RACE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS!! EVIL IS EVIL AND IF ET HAD DONE THIS I WOULD STILL WANT HIS ALIEN ASS TO DIE FOR TAKING MY LOVED ONES LIFE. NO RACE INVOLVED HERE JUST A SICK MF WHO REMOVED A GOOD HUMAN BEING FROM THIS WORLD FOREVER......... RACE MY ASS , JUST ANOTHER TIME BOMB THAT WENT OFF.............

 

[TheSalami]

i dont know if you can say he was brilliant. he definitely knew what he was doing though.

 

[Warik]

RIZZO,

I'm proud of you. Let's stick to crime & punishment threads so that we can be friends. =)

-Warik