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12 week Anavar/Winstrol cutting cycle

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Donyal1990

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12 week Anavar/Winstrol cutting cycle with PICS

I want to lose around 40 pounds with good diet and football training, here is my cycle tell me your thoughts are.

week 1-12 Anavar 100mg ed

week 1-12Winstrol - Stanozolol 100ml eod (injectable version)

Here are a few of my stats:

Age:25

Height:5'8

Weight:225lbs

Body Fat:21%

Bench Max:425

Squat Max:550

Football Position:Runningback

Best 40yrd dash time:4.28
(this was electronic, my best handheld stopwatch 40yrd dash time was 4.25 both times are 5 years old)


Current 40yrd dash time:LOL, I have alot of work to do.


Goal: So you have a better understanding of what I'm shooting for. I'm getting back in shape to play football again hopefully make it to the pro's but starting with some NFL training camps I want to get down to 175-180lb weight range on this cycle and then put the weight I lost in fat back on in muscle with 200 to 205 being the finished product weight I have a very long speed traing program I will be in for a few months trying to get my weight to power ration perfect just like building a drag car

40 pounds might be to much if I'm 225 and 21%bf I'm going off my old weight when I was in shape I lifted a little less but I weighed 173lbs thats where I would like to be 175 to 180 and keep my strength I will be posting before pics tonight and mid cycle pics and end of cycle pics also so stay tuned.
 
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thank you for not posting sources again!! lol


WOW! WINNY IS NOT A DRUG FOR FOOTBALL beasts to use!!

1-12 var 100mg ed
1-15 proviron 50mg ed
1-15 eq 400-600mg ew

throw winny in
1-6 or
9-15 at 50mg ed MAX!!!

a little pricy but trust me dont run winny during your season its not for HEAVY WEIGHT PUSHING

love to hear ur results with the var! peace out!

youre a beast, throw
 
i played ball in college and winny is the last thing that i would touch ever again.....if your joints can handle it, then go for it. but i know alot of bros who tore alot of ligaments on the shit. be careful. personally, i would just adjust my diet to lose that weight if you wanted to. as long as you don't lose any speed, remember speed kills and that's the major component of whether you're considered for the NFL (or any professional leagues for that matter). i know guys who ran low 4.5s and 4.4s and couldn't even make the practice squad. good luck,

~Alc
 
thanks for the insight guys I think I will leave the winstrol alone but what in your opinions is good for strength with none to very little water retention I know anavar but what else and I don't want to use to orals together like Turinabol. I've heard test-cypionate is good to use with anavar
 
Donyal1990 said:
thanks for the insight guys I think I will leave the winstrol alone but what in your opinions is good for strength with none to very little water retention I know anavar but what else and I don't want to use to orals together like Turinabol. I've heard test-cypionate is good to use with anavar
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(deep sigh)......you've got alot to learn brother. here:

1-10 test e or c 500mg/ew
1-6 var 40-50mg/ed
1-10 adex .5mg/eod

11-14 nolva 40-40-20-20

now, do some research man
 
I have heard that nolvaldex kills your libido, is arimidex known for doing this also I'm a sexaholic loosing my sex drive would suck
 
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Alcatraz1662 said:
(deep sigh)......you've got alot to learn brother. here:

1-10 testosterone enanthate or c 500mg/ew
1-6 Anavar - oxandrolone - 40-50mg/ed
1-10 Arimidex - anastrozole - .5mg/eod

11-14 Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - 40-40-20-20

now, do some research man
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i like this option much better. imo 12 weeks on var is too long though i have never had any sides with it 8 weeks is as long as i will ever run it, usually only 6.
 
8AND20 said:
i like this option much better. imo 12 weeks on Anavar - oxandrolone - is too long though i have never had any sides with it 8 weeks is as long as i will ever run it, usually only 6.
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I would include hcg.
 
8AND20 said:
i like this option much better. imo 12 weeks on Anavar - oxandrolone - is too long though i have never had any sides with it 8 weeks is as long as i will ever run it, usually only 6.
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what where your results from using anavar as far as weight lose and added stregth or mass
 
Here are some pics of me from 5 years ago to give you an idea of my goal and I didn't know what the word diet meant back then I ate what ever tasted good and never gained weight. I ran track and played football my entire life all the way to my first 2 years in college then got married and had a kid and let myself go.

5 year old pics:

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And Here Are My Current Pics after I ate a horse(or 2).


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Donyal1990 said:
what where your results from using anavar as far as weight lose and added stregth or mass
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your diet & cardio is what s going 2 get u the weight loss. the var, at least for me, improved vascularity, helped maintain strength & mass while i dieted. i only use it when dieting. i prefer dbol as an oral with test for gaining size & strength.

what is your proposed diet look like?
 
here is my diet

Morning:

3 egg whites and 1/2 cup oatmeal

The following 6 meals are as follows:

1/2cup to 1cup unsalted green beans
4oz to 6oz grilled chicken or fish
4oz piece of sweet potato

every 2 to 3 hours

40 gram protien shake immediately after workouts

yes very strict and lacking variety but I fat as shit, give me your feed back.
 
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If you are not already start doing cardio 1st thing in the morning on an empty stomach.

3 egg whites and 1/2 cup oatmeal


You need more protein than this. Bump up the egg whites to 8-10 at least. I will have a 12 egg whites scrambled on my non-weight days. On weight days I will mix either 2 scoops of vanilla whey protein or unflavored whey protein with 1 cup of oatmeal to get 50 grams of protein in.


The following 6 meals are as follows:

1/2cup to 1cup unsalted green beans
4oz to 6oz grilled chicken or fish
4oz piece of sweet potato


I would cut out the sweet potato for the day for the last 3 meals or so. This is assuming you are working out early in the day. Try for 6-8oz insead of 4-6 for your lean meats.


40 gram protien shake immediately after workouts


Take another shake pre-workout and add 40-50 grams of fast acting carbs such as fruit with your post-workout shake.
 
on days I run in the mornings I only drink a 40 gram protien shake before and after if I eat anything solid I usualy throw it up, realy hard sprint workouts.
 
Donyal1990 said:
on days I run in the mornings I only drink a 40 gram protien shake before and after if I eat anything solid I usualy throw it up, realy hard sprint workouts.
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This is only a guideline. I would rather you sacrifice your carbs & fats than protein. Your football drills, current metabolism, and progress will dictate what adjustments you will need to make.

Good luck with your goals and keep us posted. It will be nice to have an NFL player on here....so we can score some tickets....lol.
 
holy ghost said:
thank you for not posting sources again!! lol


WOW! Winstrol - stanozolol IS NOT A DRUG FOR FOOTBALL beasts to use!!

1-12 Anavar - oxandrolone - 100mg ed
1-15 proviron 50mg ed
1-15 Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - 400-600mg ew

throw Winstrol - stanozolol in
1-6 or
9-15 at 50mg ed MAX!!!

a little pricy but trust me dont run Winstrol - stanozolol during your season its not for HEAVY WEIGHT PUSHING

love to hear ur results with the Anavar - oxandrolone - ! peace out!

youre a beast, throw
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you cant seriously be recommending 12 weeks of var @ 100mg ED to someone you dont know?

i hope some people start to see how rediculous and dangerous your advise is and also how full of shit you are
 
Alcatraz1662 said:
(deep sigh)......you've got alot to learn brother. here:

1-10 testosterone enanthate or c 500mg/ew
1-6 Anavar - oxandrolone - 40-50mg/ed
1-10 Arimidex - anastrozole - .5mg/eod

11-14 Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - 40-40-20-20

now, do some research man
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nice, althought i would run the var the last 6 weeks just my opinion
 
damn nigga what the hell you been eatin fool

They right about the diet and shit its MOST Important
but the gear will take you where you need to go homey
 
holy ghost said:
damn nigga what the hell you been eatin fool

They right about the diet and shit its MOST Important
but the gear will take you where you need to go homey
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LoL, everything

I let myself go to much thats why I'm not concerned about loosing muscle to get back down to my playing weight, I heard that anavar is good for the joints?

lots of sex, food, and lazy boy= fat ass
 
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nigga what you need to do is put down the Old E and swishers and get on some juice, a great diet, and train hard as a motha

are you plan on running a big cycle? I think you should my nig, youhave a swoll ass frame and us brothas can shred like no doubt
 
holy ghost said:
nigga what you need to do is put down the Old E and swishers and get on some juice, a great diet, and train hard as a motha

are you plan on running a big cycle? I think you should my nig, youhave a swoll ass frame and us brothas can shred like no doubt
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Lol, what are your suggestions ghost from seeing my pics??
 
yeah, it was my first time, sustanon 250 for 12 weeks at a stupid amount per week worked great, glad I did'nt die I was taking 10ml a week
 
Damn homey you were on a sick one huh!!! Lmao

ok hers an economical one for you big dog

1-10 testosterone enanthate 250mg ew
1-10 Anavar - oxandrolone - 80-100mg ed
1-2 Clenbuterol 80-120mcg ed
6-8 Clenbuterol 80-120mcg ed

then get a 20ml of Winstrol - stanozolol and run it 50mg ed for the last 20 days of your cycle

start carb cycling negro

im gonna pm you dog
 
Donyal1990 said:
yeah, it was my first time, sustanon 250 for 12 weeks at a stupid amount per week worked great, glad I did'nt die I was taking 10ml a week
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im calling bullshit..
10ml of sust250 a week.. 2,500mg a week, first cycle..
 
I didn't know any better at the time didn't study before I started I thought sustanon was doesed at 100mg/ml I thought I was taking 1000mg a week.
 
Donyal1990 said:
I didn't know any better at the time didn't study before I started I thought sustanon was doesed at 100mg/ml I thought I was taking 1000mg a week.
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if thats the case.. i cant believe im going along with this.. how much did you keep and gain? what did your p c t look like? any side effects?
 
here is a put together cycle I'm thinkin about doin to get hard and shredded

1-10 test-c 200mg ew
1-8 Anavar 80-100mg ed
1-2 Clenbuterol 120mcg ed
6-8 Clenbuterol 120mcg ed
4-10 Winstrol - stanozolol 50mg ed
 
Donyal1990 said:
here is a put together cycle I'm thinkin about doin to get hard and shredded

1-10 test-c 200mg ew
1-8 Anavar 80-100mg ed
1-2 Clenbuterol 120mcg ed
6-8 Clenbuterol 120mcg ed
4-10 Winstrol - stanozolol 50mg ed
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it is possible. i have seen it done. to be honest u got your work cut out for ya bro. that diet better be top notch & u gotta be consistent. i havent missed a planned meal in 6 months .
 
holy ghost said:
neat cycle huh?
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i am still no sure about the 6 weeks of winstrol at the end. that only gives him 4 weeks to get his bf down to a level where it is most effective. it may be a waste.
 
holy ghost said:
how do you figure???

that cycle is sweet, on a cal defecit anyone can cut religiously on that
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i am not disputing that someone cant get cut on it. i am saying i have never personally seen anything from winstrol other than "cosmetic" results (hardening up of muscles) and that only was noticeable at bf less than 10%.
 
Lipoflame is good shit. think about throwing that in and dropping the clen. clen has some bad sides like shaking insomnia.

If your doing the football training which includes a shit load of cardio and conditioning youll be good on less A.AS. more is not always good especially if it is your second cycle.

I tho8ught carb cycling was only good for those who have less BF than donyal?

Remeber your health is much more important.
 
One variation goes like this:

There are three types of days while on this diet:

High Carb
Low Carb
No Carb Days

Generally, the three days are rotated, or cycled, equally. Protein is the foundation of this diet. The only nutrients that are varied are the fats and carbs. I won't go into the theory behind the diet or an actual breakdown of proposed meals or approved foods. You can easily find many articles doing a google search on it.

I follow more of a low carb (no carb is next to impossible to achieve imo) most days and throw in a cheat meal with a ton of carbs every so often.
 
Donyal1990 said:
okay yeah I have heard of it I think I will stay low carb for a while anyways
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you will need to carb up every so often, in order to shock it so to speak. our bodies are quite adaptive and once they realize you are cutting back it will slow your metabolism down. But this is where your cardio will help as well.
 
does anyone have any actual results from using lipoflame or clen. I always see people say yes its good or yes it's bad but they don't describe how much they lost in a certain amount of time.
 
PM omega and ask for some results. he is a good guy and will be more than happy to help you.
 
might get a little crap for this, but here ya go:

carb cycling
 
Donyal1990 said:
does anyone have any actual results from using lipoflame or Clenbuterol. I always see people say yes its good or yes it's bad but they don't describe how much they lost in a certain amount of time.
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Hey bro to be honest I think you will be disappointed if you use any juice right now. Your BF is way to hi. yea these cycles will help people get cut but only if your under 15%BF IMO and that still is too high to see and good results. If you eat right and life hard, do 5 sets with atleast 12-15 reps and use good solid form and a shit load of cardio youll be down in 2-3 months then post some more pics and then you can get some good solid cycle advice.
 
thanks for the info on carbs, I plan on taking the anavar to help my muscles harden back up and try to keep a little muscle while I'm dieting but definitly plan on using the clen to help burn the fat, and at the very end use winstrol to help a little more with muscle hardness and definition I don't want to us anything right now that will give me any added water weight thats why I'm iffy about using the Test-C.
 
I've read some wear that steroids put more of the fat your body is carrying into your blood stream and can cause health issues, but I'm thinking if steroids do put more of your bodies fat into the blood stream wouldn't it make it easier to burn fat while using steroids
any body have any insight on this
 
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here is another idea for a cutting cycle after a little more research

1-12 test-c 300/week

1-8 anavar 80-100mg/ed

1-12 tren-e or parabolan 500/week

1-12 masteron200 400/week

1-2 clen 80-100mgs/ed

11-12 clen 100-120mgs/ed

6-12 winstrol 50mgs/ed
 
Donyal1990 said:
here is another idea for a cutting cycle after a little more research

1-12 test-c 300/week

1-8 anavar 80-100mg/ed

1-12 trenbolone-e or parabolan 500/week

1-12 masteron200 400/week

1-2 Clenbuterol 80-100mgs/ed

11-12 Clenbuterol 100-120mgs/ed

6-12 winstrol 50mgs/ed
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Wow! Thats quite the cycle.
 
Donyal1990 said:
here is another idea for a cutting cycle after a little more research

1-12 test-c 300/week

1-8 anavar 80-100mg/ed

1-12 trenbolone-e or parabolan 500/week

1-12 masteron200 400/week

1-2 Clenbuterol 80-100mgs/ed

11-12 Clenbuterol 100-120mgs/ed

6-12 winstrol 50mgs/ed
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wanna try this?:

1-8 test prop 100mg/eod
1-6 var 50-60mg/ed
1-2, 5-6, clen 20mcgs ramped to 80mcgs and back down

i like shorter esters for cutting, but that's me.
 
Alcatraz1662 said:
wanna try this?:

1-8 test testosterone propionate 100mg/eod
1-6 Anavar - oxandrolone - 50-60mg/ed
1-2, 5-6, Clenbuterol 20mcgs ramped to 80mcgs and back down

i like shorter esters for cutting, but that's me.
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curious why is it you like shorter esters for cutting, is it because they work quicker or is it more to it then that
 
Hey don I am not flaming you at all, but did you guys see his most recent pics? Like he said he ate a horse.

I think you buying this stuff now is a waste of money and you will not get what you are hoping for. What are your exact goals? How tall are you? how many cycles have you done? How much do you weigh? How long have you trained natty? in the past and recently?


these cycles are all great for cutting when your at 10-15% BF. These cycles wont do much but make you strong bro. You need to a lipoflame/cardio/2200kcal diet stack.


the shorter esters are better for cutting because teh water rentention is noticably less.
 
I posted my stats and low carb diet on the first page, I have played football and run track my entire life up to the university level, until the last few years. So I'm definitly no stranger to working out and all that it entails. This will be my 2nd cycle my first was sustanon 250 only
 
ok so you have a history of working out, good. So how long since you worked out on that level? i think I recall your diet. Wasnt it a bit low on protien?

The key to losing weight is to burn more that you eat. not flaming but you have a lot of work to do to get down to a level where you will see solid results from juicing.

There is an awesome and hot mod on here from teh UK who has been on flex and knows her shit. Pm her for some diet tips. her name is tatanya. i may have mispelled it but look for some of her posts.

Holy ghost gave you no so great advice on your choice of compounds for now.

you seem pretty determined to use the juice and we all are/were at one time. I really hope you take our advice and hold off on juicing until you have dropped about 20-30 lbs and youf BF(most of all) around 10-15%.
 
I'm 21% right now not that far off from 15%,I used winny before at this body fat and still saw results the steroids that I have picked all have one common thing they all have to do with burning fat and putting lean muscle on with none or litte water retention I've done my homework. My diet is fine I'm also taking my whey protien shakes on top of the diet. I know it works because I have done it before, not trying to build muscle at all if I do it's just a plus
 
roids dont burn fat. but you seem to have your mind set on it doing it. i wsh you the best bro and keep us updated. I honestly hope it works out for ya. Just train eay and sleep, and your golden.
 
Donyal1990 said:
here is another idea for a cutting cycle after a little more research

1-12 test-c 300/week

1-8 anavar 80-100mg/ed

1-12 trenbolone-e or parabolan 500/week

1-12 masteron200 400/week

1-2 Clenbuterol 80-100mgs/ed

11-12 Clenbuterol 100-120mgs/ed

6-12 winstrol 50mgs/ed
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looks similar to a cycle a former member here used to recommend.. :rolleyes:

2nd cycle... test and an oral, a strict diet and good solid form training is all you need
 
Dony

keep in mind that there's no one MAGIC RIGHT ANSWER. there are alot of ways to skin a cat.

imo, at 21% and limited cycle history, you might try:

1) just diet and excercize/cardio until you plateau

you can find lots of great healthy diets and diet discussion on the diet forum and muscle food forums -> http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/diet-bodybuilding/ http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/muscle-food-bodybuilding/

2) then add in an ECA stack (or just the ephedrine and caffiene without the aspirin), 20/200/200 twice a day until you get down near 12-14%. some of the thermogenic products by the sponsors have been getting good feedback as well

3) once you get to 12-14%, it starts to get more difficult losing fat without also losing muscle. the ideal steroid to add would be non-aromatizing, strongly anti-catabolic, and be lypolitic. anavar is a good choice. test/proviron is added to replace the endogenous test you'll lose from h.pta shutdown.

you might try
test cyp 250 weekly (just a replacement dose)
proviron 50mg daily (free test, act as a mild anti-a for the test)
anavar 30-60mg daily in divided dose

those doses are typical and may be too high or too low for you depending on receptor density, sensitivity etc. they're just guidelines.

anavar has many studies showing that it preferentially burns visceral and abdominal fat compared to placebo controls and compared to controls using other steroid compounds.

just as important, var is a great anti-catabolic and it stimulates endogenous GH release (which is probably the reson for its fat burning utility)

good luck
 
Donyal1990 said:
I'm 21% right now not that far off from 15%,I used winny before at this body fat and still saw results the steroids that I have picked all have one common thing they all have to do with burning fat and putting lean muscle on with none or litte water retention I've done my homework. My diet is fine I'm also taking my whey protien shakes on top of the diet. I know it works because I have done it before, not trying to build muscle at all if I do it's just a plus
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That is 6% bodyfat, about 6 kg, 13 lbs, which, if everything works, about 2 months worth of dieting.

However, looking at your diet, it needs work and I will assert you would have some 'stabilising' periods in that.

One other thing hun, looking at your pics, I think you may be over 21%.

I really want to acknowledge you for posting them, it could make a HUGE difference to some other young ones.

When we are young, especially under 20, if you are into sports, your body is pretty much BOMB proof, you can eat anything as long as you train and not get fat.

You are an example of what happens to a lot of former athletes when they don't train. Hell, I have been there more than once...........

You are also holding a lot of fat around your mid-section, which is really not the best place to be holding, and often related to the actions of insulin and cortisol as well as calorie excess.

Steroids are not going to get you cut. This is a almost becoming a modern urban myth................you put on muscle which increases your metabolism which will help you burn fat.

People at lower bodyfat end up getting that 'hardening' or 'vascularity' from steroids BECAUSE THEY HAVE A LOW BODY FAT SO YOU CAN SEE IT.

Also this is the forgotten part, THEY ARE A LOW BODYFAT CAUSE THEIR TRAINING AND DIET ARE BANG ON.

As for fat burners, clenbuterol is completely over-rated, and your beta-2 receptors will adapt to the stimulation within about 2 weeks, so that means great fat burning results for about 2 weeks, they you have to up the dose.

In the meantime though, your thyroid gland is being suppressed.

When you come off - REBOUND fat regain. Competitive BBers get this all the time, but their focus is often to peak for a competition, NOT to have a fantastic lean physique year round (even though a lot of them do BECAUSE THEY HAVE THEIR DIET AND TRAINING BANG ON). I do see loads of them, most of them are trainig nattie though.

Personally, I think you are looking in the wrong area.

We ALL would love it if we could just take something and make having a great body easy, but it doesn't work that way.

How long did it take you to do that damage to your body? 4 years?

It isn't going to get sorted out from a cycle of steroids............

BTW, I am a natural and I do get some flack for giving advice about steroid cycles, but even I know that the last cycle you posted is ridiculous, far too many compounds.

I would highly recommend you get at least 6 months to a year of serious training and time to experiment with your diet before you even consider doing a cycle.

You have some great genetics to work with, you really don't need the drugs.

Get a copy of Tom Venuto's Burn the Fat, Feed the Muscle or Nelson Montana's the Bodybuilding Truth, or a book by Chris Aceto, Everything you ever wanted to know about fat loss, or Championship Bodybuilding, or the new book by Stuart McRobert, Build Muscle, Lose Fat Look Great.

I assert at your body fat and recent re-entry into training and eating healthy, you will just mess yourself up and make if far more difficult to maintain a fantastic healthy body for life.
 
just one thing Tat, Anavar has solid scientific studies, not just Bro-ology, showing that it preferentially burns visceral and abdominal fat compared to controls (placebo and other steroids).

the mechanisms would be
1) var is a powerful anticatabolic, and belly fat is mostly cortisol mediated, and
2) var causes the release of higher levels of hg.h, which will help total body fat reduction
3) the lean mass metabolism boost you mentioned
 
Mavafanculo said:
just one thing Tat, Anavar has solid scientific studies, not just Bro-ology, showing that it preferentially burns visceral and abdominal fat compared to controls (placebo and other steroids).

the mechanisms would be
1) var is a powerful anticatabolic, and belly fat is mostly cortisol mediated, and
2) var causes the release of higher levels of hg.h, which will help total body fat reduction
3) the lean mass metabolism boost you mentioned
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Thanks hun.................I am still learning loads, and why I always say 'nattie'.

In some ways it make this drug seem almost too good to be true, however, isn't it one of the really mild anabolics with very few androgenic effects.........

I have heard lads are not impressed with the results they get off Anavar.
 
Mavafanculo said:
yeah, its not really used by guys for putting on size, but its magical in cuting, hardening or pre-contest.
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A can see why girlie BBers use it now.............I just like all my bits/blonde body hair/face exactly as they are and wouldn't want to take a chance of messing with it, even though the chances of sides can be low for women, there are always sides......................................
 
Tatyana said:
A can see why girlie BBers use it now.............I just like all my bits/blonde body hair/face exactly as they are and wouldn't want to take a chance of messing with it, even though the chances of sides can be low for women, there are always sides......................................
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speaking from experience *cough* it pretty much leaves girlie bits alone at moderate doses. but it does increase female libido, probably via lowered s.h.bg.

Winny etc are sometimes another story as I'm sure you've seen in your travels lol jeeeeezzzz
 
Mavafanculo said:
speaking from experience *cough* it pretty much leaves girlie bits alone at moderate doses. but it does increase female libido, probably via lowered s.h.bg.

Winny etc are sometimes another story as I'm sure you've seen in your travels lol jeeeeezzzz
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I have seen some of the changes in women, sometimes it is quite nice, however, the changes are cumulative, so everytimes she does another cycle....................................

It can end up being not so nice. Some lads LOVE it, but the majority don't.

I think it can be the same with the lads, some get gyno, some GFs will not mind that bit of extra breast for awhile, some it would completely put them off.................
 
Tatyana said:
A can see why girlie BBers use it now.............I just like all my bits/blonde body hair/face exactly as they are and wouldn't want to take a chance of messing with it, even though the chances of sides can be low for women, there are always sides......................................
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yea we like it too :heart:
 
Mavafanculo said:
Dony

keep in mind that there's no one MAGIC RIGHT ANSWER. there are alot of ways to skin a cat.

imo, at 21% and limited cycle history, you might try:

1) just diet and excercize/cardio until you plateau

you can find lots of great healthy diets and diet discussion on the diet forum and muscle food forums -> http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/diet-bodybuilding/ http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/muscle-food-bodybuilding/

2) then add in an ECA stack (or just the ephedrine and caffiene without the aspirin), 20/200/200 twice a day until you get down near 12-14%. some of the thermogenic products by the sponsors have been getting good feedback as well

3) once you get to 12-14%, it starts to get more difficult losing fat without also losing muscle. the ideal steroid to add would be non-aromatizing, strongly anti-catabolic, and be lypolitic. anavar is a good choice. test/proviron is added to replace the endogenous test you'll lose from h.pta shutdown.

you might try
test cyp 250 weekly (just a replacement dose)
proviron 50mg daily (free test, act as a mild anti-a for the test)
anavar 30-60mg daily in divided dose

those doses are typical and may be too high or too low for you depending on receptor density, sensitivity etc. they're just guidelines.

anavar has many studies showing that it preferentially burns visceral and abdominal fat compared to placebo controls and compared to controls using other steroid compounds.

just as important, var is a great anti-catabolic and it stimulates endogenous GH release (which is probably the reson for its fat burning utility)

good luck
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here in my state you can get ephedrine in small doses is there anyone that offers it in large does, I used it back in the day when Xenedrine used to have it, and it worked great I'd like to try that ECA stack where do I get it?
 
i know the fda lifted the ban on it, so its out there, but I havent had to buy it in years so dont know where. I should probably check since my stock is running out

one thing to consider, when the FDA put the politically-economically motivated ban in effect a few years back, companies worked around it by adding guifennesin (sp?) to the formulas. these preparations will still have the thermogenic weight loss effects , but you wont get the energy boost - the stimulent effect. for some thats good I guess ---- so depending on what you want (stim effect or not) careful to read the label on the product you buy
 
Mavafanculo said:
check your K messages
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nice, but does anybody remember how much ephedrine was in the old Xenedrine pills, if I remember right it was 25mg a pill, I read some where that you need around 100mg a day to see the best results from ephedrine but everything is doses so low now you would have to take a shit load of pills to do what 4 of the old pills would do
 
those are 8mg - so a dose typical is 3 pills 2 times a day - you see how many pills is included in that package lol?

I know it sux I used to have 25 mg pills
 
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