10 weeks into 17 week cycle

[38532nd]

I am started on 10th week of dbol cycle/ start 9th week of test E on wednesday / start of the 3rd week of EQ.I know people 10 week dbol cycle is kinda high but running thistle and NAC to fight the liver problems so relax and enjoy the show

Stats
height 6'2
start weight 220lbs body fat approx 16 %
current weight 235lbs. body fat approx 19%
Desired weight by week 18 215lbs. 8 % bodyfat

The only measurement I really noticed drastically was bicep from 15.25 to 16.75 inches.....my site is billygunsdotcom.....check it out some time

current cycle
weeks 1-10 dbol pyramid from 15mg a day to 40 mg a day and back down to 15mg by week 10
week 2 Test E 250 mg
weeks 3-7 Test E 500mg
weeks 8-9 Test E 750 mg
weeks 10-15 Test E 600 mg
week 16 Test E 300mg

week 7 EQ 150mg
week 8-16 EQ 300mg
week 17 EQ 150mg

Starting Clen week 13\14 and week 17\18
Starting ECA week 11\12 and week 15\16
Diet
morning 16oz. milk\4 mini muffins
snack protein bar
lunch 16oz. steak\ 90 sec uncle ben's rice
snack peanut butter crackers
dinner either 3 pork chops\3 chicken cutlets\or spare ribs w/greens and bread
bed timesnack 16oz. milk

weights in the gym
bench start 225 6 reps max\ 1 rep max 255
bench current 225 10 reps max\ 1 rep max 275
lat pull down to the rear start 160 10 rep max
lat pull down to the rear current 200 10 rep max
squat start 185 10 rep max
squat current 225 10 rep max

Feel free to add your comments wether good or bad......

 

[Mr.X]

I suggest you drop the milk and replace it with an egg white protein mix. Your diet doesn't seem to be dialed in at all.

 

[38532nd]

I am looking for mass at this point so I went with milk. I don't use any protein supplements because they are all fake.False advertising!!!! If these protein drinks where really a good source of protein they would be considered a meal not a supplement. If it was real protein in the shake you would be able to just drink a shake with no other source of protein in your diet(no steak /tuna/ chicken would be needed if these shakes really contained true protein).......

 

[al420]

I am looking for mass at this point so I went with milk. I don't use any protein supplements because they are all fake.False advertising!!!! If these protein drinks where really a good source of protein they would be considered a meal not a supplement. If it was real protein in the shake you would be able to just drink a shake with no other source of protein in your diet(no steak /tuna/ chicken would be needed if these shakes really contained true protein).......

I have to agree w/ Mr. X - your diet looks bad - real bad. So - let me make sure I got this straight - your shooting ASS into your body, but are also sure the protien powders are fake - that is about as dumb as it comes buddy - LMFAO - research is your friend - on the cylce your on you need to be taking in at least 350+ grams of protien - you arent even close.

 

[38532nd]

I understand your point but take 5 minutes to think. If protein powders were all real protein then your should be able to use them as your only source of protein RIGHT? But you can't Right? So tell why is protein powder considered a supplement and not a food source.Stop believing everything you hear spend your money on real food it's proven time and time again by arnold and Big louie. They didn't have these back then.

 

[38532nd]

Everyone has their idea of a great diet but , I don't see anyone listing their great idea just blasting instead. I thought we were all here to feed off ourselves???

 

[guitrole1]

Everyone has their idea of a great diet but , I don't see anyone listing their great idea just blasting instead. I thought we were all here to feed off ourselves???

Here is a great example:

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=451826&highlight=makavelli

 

[38532nd]

Thanks for the thread

 

[Behemoth]

You need to look at some of Pintoca post about diet...

 

[38532nd]

I'll check them out thanks for the input!!!

 

[38532nd]

Pintoca seems to be for cutting I am still lokking to bulk a little more

 

[Neo22]

Good luck with the cycle. You really didn't need one period> Your squat numbers are terrible to be honest. You obviously had a lot more naturally you could have done. Obviously your training or eating was shit before and probably still is now. 225x10 for squat and doing test and dbol LOL

EDIT: After looking at what you have for diet or whateverthefuckitis, you diet is complete garbage. It appears to me you are another young one who has done no research on diet or training and thinks that sauce is going to cure it. I'll be honest you are probably going ot lose all you have gained, and more than likely comeback weaker.

 

[Neo22]

I have to agree w/ Mr. X - your diet looks bad - real bad. So - let me make sure I got this straight - your shooting ASS into your body, but are also sure the protien powders are fake - that is about as dumb as it comes buddy - LMFAO - research is your friend - on the cylce your on you need to be taking in at least 350+ grams of protien - you arent even close.

160oz of milk for that matter LOL. After his first workout for his first meal he is drinking milk of all things LOL. This kid needs to be sterilized. Protein powders are not fake that is the dumbest shit I have ever hear LMFAO

 

[Behemoth]

Pintoca seems to be for cutting I am still lokking to bulk a little more

Correct...he has done some incredible things cutting while maintaining lean body mass.

So if you could follow a basic plan...some what similar to what he has laid out...you could add quality mass.

He also has several tools on one thread at your disposal. Calorie calculators and different things...that would help you dial in the number of cals that are necessary to make the gains that you are wanting.

 

[38532nd]

Geez Neo I see alot of guys are here to throw there weight around. No wonder alot of users get a bad rap. Some of you guys need to lay off the gear your giving the world a bad outlook on it. If you can't control yourself in a chat room I would hate to see you in person. Good luck and please stop the gear your ruining it for the rest of us controled people.

 

[38532nd]

Thanks for the info Baboon. Makes sense

 

[SgtSlaughter]

Should have saved your money and spent it on food. You can do what you want to do naturally with a good diet.

I eat more than you and I'm cutting... get your diet right.

And you say you want to bulk? Why do you want to be 215 then... and you're going up in LBM and Fat?

 

[38532nd]

Sgt. Right now I am still bulking. But in the end that is where I want to lean out to.

 

[SgtSlaughter]

Gotcha.

7 weeks left you can get really lean if you have a 110% clean diet and train your ass off.

I deff. reccomend reading through the entire diet forum, you can get to where you want to be but it's not going to be easy... as not much worth doing in life is.

 

[Neo22]

Geez Neo I see alot of guys are here to throw there weight around. No wonder alot of users get a bad rap. Some of you guys need to lay off the gear your giving the world a bad outlook on it. If you can't control yourself in a chat room I would hate to see you in person. Good luck and please stop the gear your ruining it for the rest of us controled people.

WTF are you talking about, I'm not on gear. I'm allowed to give you my opinion, you are just another beach boy who should never have touched aas. Your numbers are complete shit. There are plenty of people that have hit 400+ on squatting, deadlifting and benching without touching anything. YOu obvously have no clue about nutrition and training which is why I called you out. If you feel the need to say I'm a juicer because I'm not holding back anything then so be it. I actually have less test in my system than most on this board hence why I was put on HRT>

 

[dosteov]

I suggest you drop the milk and replace it with an egg white protein mix. Your diet doesn't seem to be dialed in at all.

This guy's diet looks like shit. What brand of EggWhite Protein powder do you recommend Mr.X? So many companies on the market (none of which are regulated by the FDA), not sure which is legit (kind of like all the UG labs...).

 

[38532nd]

Sorry neo but, why do you feel the need to insult people? That will take you no where in life. Even if all I was going for was a beach body so be it. Since when is looking good a bad thing? So your not on gear well then your just an ass naturally.P.S. how many people do you know who broke the arm completly in hald and came back from 4 surgeries on a elbow to lift? Not many I'm sure. As for bodybuilding I am planing on stepping on stage in the next year. So no I'm not a beach body buddy. I have had some great help from guys like www.daveplaumbo.com / www.derekanthony.com / www.briantharris.com so get your act together and check yourself into an angermangement session or to cause you have a issue that needs help

 

[MadManiac13]

Good luck with the cycle. You really didn't need one period> Your squat numbers are terrible to be honest. You obviously had a lot more naturally you could have done. Obviously your training or eating was shit before and probably still is now. 225x10 for squat and doing test and dbol LOL

EDIT: After looking at what you have for diet or whateverthefuckitis, you diet is complete garbage. It appears to me you are another young one who has done no research on diet or training and thinks that sauce is going to cure it. I'll be honest you are probably going ot lose all you have gained, and more than likely comeback weaker.

What, you guys don't eat mini muffins for breakfast?

 

[38532nd]

I have seen a approx. a 15 lb. gain in 10 weeks so far how is my diet so bad after all I am seeing a decent gain? It includes high protein moderate carbs and low fat so if it is so bad prove it by your own diet not some other superfreaks diet on here give me yours to compare then!!!!

 

[dosteov]

What, you guys don't eat mini muffins for breakfast?

Lol..What the fuck is a mini-muffin? Aren't they made by Hostess? They sell them between the cubcakes and twinkies I think.

 

[al420]

This guy deserves some kind of award for blasting back at EVERYBODYS opinion that his diet is TOTAL SHIT - not to mention his extra long cycle - most people can't handle that they are too weak and fat for AAS - this guy is just fat little weakling

I think I may switch from oatmeal w/ my moring shake to mini muffins------ LOL - WTF are Mini Muffins - -

 

[38532nd]

I make them myself in smaller trays. approx 100 cals. per muffin I usually have 4 ed.

 

[38532nd]

I'm not blasting back at anyone that dosen't draw the first straw. I simply posted my cycle and right off the bat you guys start with the your diet SUCKS!!! well like I said help a brother out and give your input or post your diet that compares instead of BLASTING......I'm here for input but not assholes

 

[reigninghard]

I'm not blasting back at anyone that dosen't draw the first straw. I simply posted my cycle and right off the bat you guys start with the your diet SUCKS!!! well like I said help a brother out and give your input or post your diet that compares instead of BLASTING......I'm here for input but not assholes

Feel free to add your comments wether good or bad......

THis is what you asked for, if you cant handle it then don't ask.....by the way, most of the comments are right on the money, so i would have to generalize that youre wrong and they are right.

 

[slat1]

Real food is the most important resource for a bodybuilder. Protein powders are called "supplements" because they can assist you in building your caloric intake while getting more protein in you that you would not otherwise be able to. Be it time or digestion.
The reason you can't rely totally on powders is that they do not contain naturally occuring phytonutrients that occur in real food.
That said. Unless one is taking in quality whole foods they may be better off using powders then what is classified as "junk food"

 

[38532nd]

reigninhard when I said good or bad that's fine it doesn't give people the right to be assholes. You can't feel a certain way without being a total ass. Look at the last comment by slatl. He made a valid point without being an ass. Thanks for the input SlatL

 

[drrman]

I am looking for mass at this point so I went with milk. I don't use any protein supplements because they are all fake.False advertising!!!! If these protein drinks where really a good source of protein they would be considered a meal not a supplement. If it was real protein in the shake you would be able to just drink a shake with no other source of protein in your diet(no steak /tuna/ chicken would be needed if these shakes really contained true protein).......

if you are looking for mass bro, why in the hell are you wanting to end up 3 lbs ligther at the end of they cycle then when you started?

you are only dropping a 8% body fat and adding a few lbs of muscle.....not very impressive considering 17 weeks of juice....not knocking you but you need to get some things dialed in in this cycle

 

[drrman]

Sorry neo but, why do you feel the need to insult people? That will take you no where in life. Even if all I was going for was a beach body so be it. Since when is looking good a bad thing? So your not on gear well then your just an ass naturally.P.S. how many people do you know who broke the arm completly in hald and came back from 4 surgeries on a elbow to lift? Not many I'm sure. As for bodybuilding I am planing on stepping on stage in the next year. So no I'm not a beach body buddy. I have had some great help from guys like www.daveplaumbo.com / www.derekanthony.com / www.briantharris.com so get your act together and check yourself into an angermangement session or to cause you have a issue that needs help

Hate to say this bro....but with 16" arms and over 6'2" you got many more cycles to go before i would think of stepping on stage my friend

 

[al420]

I'm not blasting back at anyone that dosen't draw the first straw. I simply posted my cycle and right off the bat you guys start with the your diet SUCKS!!! well like I said help a brother out and give your input or post your diet that compares instead of BLASTING......I'm here for input but not assholes

Well - Im not looking to input anything into your asshole - but for grins - my diet consits of 6-7 meals a day - 275 grams of protien and 195 grams of carbs on training days - 275 grams of protien and 100 grams of carbs on non-lifting days - no way I could do this w/out supplements. I only eat chicken, tuna, cottage cheese, natural PB, oatmeal, bananas, apples, and green beans - that is it.

You need to stay away from the crackers and muffins - I would reccomend oatmeal or yams as your only complex cabr sources - you will get the rest from your milk - also try nonfat cottage cheese in place of your PB Crackers - hell, eat it w/ them - you need way more protien to grow any quality muscle

Also - your weight is a terrible indicator of progress - I would try having your BF tested every 3-4 weeks - this is a way better indicator of true progress - that and of course the increase in weekly lifting weights - if your not setting a lot of new PR's then i would take my intensity up a notch or two.

 

[38532nd]

I just did the math again I am at approx 260 to 270g of protein a day from only food what is so bad about this!!!!!No Shakes here

 

[38532nd]

I now understand why alot of BB'ers keep to themselves in life.Minus a few of you guys who actually can carry on a decent converstaion most of you are total assholes. 3/4's of you guys are just wannabe's hiding behind a computer.I came here to talk to some people fro some input and every other word is sucks / ass/ retard I mean come on does everyone have to dis someone in here to feel like a man. You can't even see the person on the other end but are willing to knock them by a couple of lines they leave here for info so to all the haters FUCK OFF!!!! The rest thanks for the input!!!

 

[reigninghard]

I now understand why alot of BB'ers keep to themselves in life.Minus a few of you guys who actually can carry on a decent converstaion most of you are total assholes. 3/4's of you guys are just wannabe's hiding behind a computer.I came here to talk to some people fro some input and every other word is sucks / ass/ retard I mean come on does everyone have to dis someone in here to feel like a man. You can't even see the person on the other end but are willing to knock them by a couple of lines they leave here for info so to all the haters FUCK OFF!!!! The rest thanks for the input!!!

youre just too sensitive....anyways good luck!

 

[Neo22]

Sorry neo but, why do you feel the need to insult people? That will take you no where in life. Even if all I was going for was a beach body so be it. Since when is looking good a bad thing? So your not on gear well then your just an ass naturally.P.S. how many people do you know who broke the arm completly in hald and came back from 4 surgeries on a elbow to lift? Not many I'm sure. As for bodybuilding I am planing on stepping on stage in the next year. So no I'm not a beach body buddy. I have had some great help from guys like www.daveplaumbo.com / www.derekanthony.com / www.briantharris.com so get your act together and check yourself into an angermangement session or to cause you have a issue that needs help

Thats fantastic, I can also post up websites of people who give me advice, www.quincytaylor.com, www.stephenfrazier.com. But what the hell does it matter? Who gives afuck if you have had elbow surgery? YOu are not gonna step on stage at 6'2 with 15inch arms and expect to get anywhere. I'm one of the few on this board that wont hold back. YOu are a disgrace to the sport because you can't handle constructive criticism and choose to take the easy way out. You won't see rarely anyone on this board retarded enough to run dbol 10 weeks. BTW for talking shit, you are small as fuck honestly. I own you both in size and strength I was squatting what you squat within 6months of training.

PS: WHO THE FUCK EAT MINI MUFFINS FOR BREAKFAST??? WTF ARE THOSE LOL!

 

[Neo22]

I'm not blasting back at anyone that dosen't draw the first straw. I simply posted my cycle and right off the bat you guys start with the your diet SUCKS!!! well like I said help a brother out and give your input or post your diet that compares instead of BLASTING......I'm here for input but not assholes

don't you think you are the asshole? You are one of those guys that can't take blame for himself fucking up. LIke i said you never did your research or anything before even thinking of a cycle. If you had advice from all of your bowdown guys you wouldnt have such a shitty diet or shitty numbers. You should have diet and training right BEFORE you touch AAS

 

[Neo22]

I have seen a approx. a 15 lb. gain in 10 weeks so far how is my diet so bad after all I am seeing a decent gain? It includes high protein moderate carbs and low fat so if it is so bad prove it by your own diet not some other superfreaks diet on here give me yours to compare then!!!!

10lbs of that could be water, how do you know? YOu don't because you arn't constantly getting your bf tested. 15lbs in 10 weeks for a first cycle is pretty shitty especially only having 16inch arms.

 

[Behemoth]

Thats fantastic, I can also post up websites of people who give me advice, www.quincytaylor.com, www.stephenfrazier.com. But what the hell does it matter? Who gives afuck if you have had elbow surgery? YOu are not gonna step on stage at 6'2 with 15inch arms and expect to get anywhere. I'm one of the few on this board that wont hold back. YOu are a disgrace to the sport because you can't handle constructive criticism and choose to take the easy way out. You won't see rarely anyone on this board retarded enough to run dbol 10 weeks. BTW for talking shit, you are small as fuck honestly. I own you both in size and strength I was squatting what you squat within 6months of training.

PS: WHO THE FUCK EAT MINI MUFFINS FOR BREAKFAST??? WTF ARE THOSE LOL!

Why dont you get off his ass and offer him some constructive criticism?

Post your diet...offer him some options.

There is a reason that the employment ads arent filled with opennings for critics. Any lame ass punk can be a critic. Being critical of someone else's work...thats the easy part...rolling up your sleeves and helping some one is much more difficult.

And the only reason I am using the vernacular...is because thats obiviously all that you understand.

You want to help...then Help...or STFU.

And by the way, maybe you ought to try a mini muffin...it might help your lifts.

 

[VascularitY]

your not gonna drop that kind of body fat with that diet, you need a lot of help with that aspect, try the diet forums

 

[ortiz34]

First off, I have not touched AAS since January so I have no anger issues that you speak of here.(Which is totally off base)

Secondly ten weeks of DBOL?

Pyramid run your Test?



Your diet does need help.



Seriously, I have nothing to offer this guy for advice. He's way beyond our help.

 

[drrman]

i have to agree with neo here.....15lbs in 10 fucking weeks of dball is all shit weight bro.....i could easily put on 30lbs in 8 weeks on a good dosage of dball alone....especially when i was younger and newer to cycling......

 

[al420]

This has been fun today

 

[Neo22]

Why dont you get off his ass and offer him some constructive criticism?

Post your diet...offer him some options.

There is a reason that the employment ads arent filled with opennings for critics. Any lame ass punk can be a critic. Being critical of someone else's work...thats the easy part...rolling up your sleeves and helping some one is much more difficult.

And the only reason I am using the vernacular...is because thats obiviously all that you understand.

You want to help...then Help...or STFU.

And by the way, maybe you ought to try a mini muffin...it might help your lifts.

He's not getting anything constructive from me. The most he will get is that his diet is shit and that his training sucks. Maybe if he woudl have posted up before doing an asinine cycle I wouldn't have a problem. Are you talking about my lifts LOL... WHo are you to tell me to STFU?
Go swallow some bleach or something!!

 

[Neo22]

This has been fun today

I thuroughly enjoyed it. NOw im about to go eat cottage cheese along with almonds.

 

[Behemoth]

He's not getting anything constructive from me. The most he will get is that his diet is shit and that his training sucks. Maybe if he woudl have posted up before doing an asinine cycle I wouldn't have a problem. Are you talking about my lifts LOL... WHo are you to tell me to STFU?
Go swallow some bleach or something!!

Again, the reason I reverted to that is because thats all you understand. It would have been more beneficial if you would have shared your vast base of knowledge and said something that was credible.

Instead you wanted to flame the guy.

That was veeerrrrryy helpful. It stifles learning. People become more hesitant to ask when they get responses like yours.

Swallow bleach?? FTW!!

 

[golferstud84]

hey i like mini muffins... lets try not to bash those.... the mini muffins havnt done anything wrong here... they are so tasty you can just keep poppin em in your mouth

 

[Extra_Strong]

This is Funny shit. I have to say he was very quick to say you are wrong i am right.

he started off with the milk thing and bashing protien powder? i mean u could go in and replace what he said about protein power with the word milk. what would be the difference except for less protien? ha.. he asked for help and then changed it to i will teach you about fake protein powder. ha

 

[Extra_Strong]

we also never landed on the moon it was just a movie. trickers!!!

 

[rg78]

Sorry neo but, why do you feel the need to insult people? That will take you no where in life. Even if all I was going for was a beach body so be it. Since when is looking good a bad thing? So your not on gear well then your just an ass naturally.P.S. how many people do you know who broke the arm completly in hald and came back from 4 surgeries on a elbow to lift? Not many I'm sure. As for bodybuilding I am planing on stepping on stage in the next year. So no I'm not a beach body buddy. I have had some great help from guys like www.daveplaumbo.com / www.derekanthony.com / www.briantharris.com so get your act together and check yourself into an angermangement session or to cause you have a issue that needs help

REALITY CHECK, you put on about 15 pound which is about 6.5kg you way about 230 which is 102kg you've gone up 3% in b/f which is about 3kg the other 3.5kg would be water weight from the dbol so in fact you have put on NO muscle, your diet sucks arse and I had a look at your site and you look fuckin terrible for someone who claims to be 18% b/f (looks more like 23-25%) and you think your going to step on stage in the next year..... I dont think so. Im not really having a dig at you but dude your making out like your the next big thing so be prepared to cop shit for what you've posted.

Catcha

 

[drrman]

REALITY CHECK, you put on about 15 pound which is about 6.5kg you way about 230 which is 102kg you've gone up 3% in b/f which is about 3kg the other 3.5kg would be water weight from the dbol so in fact you have put on NO muscle, your diet sucks arse and I had a look at your site and you look fuckin terrible for someone who claims to be 18% b/f (looks more like 23-25%) and you think your going to step on stage in the next year..... I dont think so. Im not really having a dig at you but dude your making out like your the next big thing so be prepared to cop shit for what you've posted.

Catcha

LOL....thanks for the math bro......thats what i was thinking also....karma to you....LOL

 

[drrman]

check out this guys website.....he's actually got dieting advice on it!!

you got be be kidding me bro........is that site for real? why write up all that stuff and make it out like you have come so far and are a professional bber then post up those pics man??

 

[38532nd]

Big Babboon thanks for the input I see you are the only real person here. Why is it you all come on here to knock people????We are all here working for the same cause to be the next arnold!!!!!If you don't agree with someone lend a hand don't mock someone!!!Remember you was at that point in your life before getting to where you are today so relax take a deep breathe and help a fellow brohter if you feel they need to modify something.......

 

[reigninghard]

This is a good read.

http://www.musclemayhem.com/front/content/view/72/48/

 

[drrman]

Big Babboon thanks for the input I see you are the only real person here. Why is it you all come on here to knock people????We are all here working for the same cause to be the next arnold!!!!!If you don't agree with someone lend a hand don't mock someone!!!Remember you was at that point in your life before getting to where you are today so relax take a deep breathe and help a fellow brohter if you feel they need to modify something.......

I wouldn't be giving you hell bro...BUT....you have an ENTIRE website dedicated to yourself and your life as a bodybuilder...you have pages on your "diet"....stuff on how protein is uselss and all supplement are garbage and that only trees grow naturally.....ALL BODYBUILDERS....REAL ONES THAT IS, TAKE PROTEIN BRO!!!

Im giving you hell because you have a VERY "cocky" site to say the least bro.......i would expect to see pictures of a advance bodybuilder after reading all the talk on your site about how to eat, diet, train, what all you have learned from all these pro's etc......but from your results you have posted here and your pics bro....you look like the average guy at my gym that just started working out....let alone is on a cycle. If you are going to continue your use of steroids you need to do some research and figure out whats wrong here bro.....you should be a hell of a lot bigger than that after 10 weeks of the cycle you are running.

So in a way before you came on here you had your website and you were king of your own domain there....you could say and put anything there with no scrutiny....you can't do that here. You didn't come on asking some simple questions and for some innocent advice and post up that site bro........that site is a fucking joke man........USELESS advice there for anyone

SO do some research and get your shit together, take down that ego building website you built, and put it back up in 2 or 3 years with REAL diet, REAL results, REAL training regimen, REAL information, THEN someone might take you seriously

 

[Behemoth]

Big Babboon thanks for the input I see you are the only real person here. Why is it you all come on here to knock people????We are all here working for the same cause to be the next arnold!!!!!If you don't agree with someone lend a hand don't mock someone!!!Remember you was at that point in your life before getting to where you are today so relax take a deep breathe and help a fellow brohter if you feel they need to modify something.......

ON the other hand, You need to have the right attitude and realize when you ask for help...some the guys are going to have fun at your expense. Thats just part of it...roll with the punches...and listen to the sound advice that you are given.

Your cycle is way to long...especially if you are taking Dbol for 10 weeks.

Secondly, if you are going to put your body through the pains of AAS then get your diet perfect. You cant grow without the right fuel. Spend some time on the diet board.

There are a lot of good guys on this board. Guys that took me under their wing when I first showed up with a stupid question.

Good luck.

 

[38532nd]

ALL BODYBUILDERS....REAL ONES THAT IS, TAKE PROTEIN BRO!!!
You would be suprised how many don't use unless they are endorsing them don't believe everything you hear. I have a friend whom was sponsored by Gamma-O and took it while off the gear and said it did absolutely nothing......

 

[38532nd]

Thanks baboon I will look there for some real sound advice not just negative feed back

 

[drrman]

ALL BODYBUILDERS....REAL ONES THAT IS, TAKE PROTEIN BRO!!!
You would be suprised how many don't use unless they are endorsing them don't believe everything you hear. I have a friend whom was sponsored by Gamma-O and took it while off the gear and said it did absolutely nothing......

DUMBASS LISTEN HERE......PROTEIN's are the building blocks of muscle!!! PRO's and regular joe juiceheads all EAT hundreds of grams of protein per day and they can't get it all from CHICKE ALONE!

NOW DICKHEAD.....you say protein alone did your "friend you know" no good, well it probably didnt make him gain any muscle with no steroids involved, but if you WOULD READ AND RESEARCH you would know that steroids INCREASE protein synthesis! yes.....THEY INCREASE IT MAKING YOU BIGGER!!!

PROTEIN IS A MUST.....repeat is a MUST when on steroids! You have very much shown your fucking ignorance with your thread and your joke of a website........you going to tell me im wrong???? GO ahead and make you a poll on here..."is protein a waste of time"...........

I don't know what you are hearing or reading but pro's and EVERY OTHER bodybuilder and or person that tries to gain muscle and does it successfully does it with protein added to their diet!

Its OBVIOUS from your pictures you are doing somethign wrong bro......maybe if you would have added in 250-300 MORE grams of protein via PROTEIN powders you wouldn't look like you just stepped into a gym for the first time yesterday!

Your pictures prove you are wrong and no NOTHING about dieting and what you need to intake everyday bro......it amazes me of the ignorance of some of the people that use juice......

Do you seriously think you know what you are talking about? i've been doing this for 10 years and i knew protein was a must before i ever started juice......man you need to take that site down bro and start reading and researching the REAL truth on your diet..........Seriously....if you can deduce the obvious bro.....look at the little bit of weight you have gained with all that juice????.....i gained 35lbs my first cycle and kept 25 in only 8 weeks!

 

[jp000]

I really wish there was a way that a person's age would appear next to his screen name. The stuff that some people write make me think they must be in their early teens.......and possibly missing a chromosome.

38532nd....what is your website address, I would like to see what all the hype is about.

 

[drrman]

I really wish there was a way that a person's age would appear next to his screen name. The stuff that some people write make me think they must be in their early teens.......and possibly missing a chromosome.

38532nd....what is your website address, I would like to see what all the hype is about.

www.billyguns.com.....it was in his original post hid in there.....can you believe he is telling everyone we should not believe what we hear or know about protein!!!!

 

[38532nd]

keep blasting guys this just shows me how you really how no life but to have cyber muscles. Some people come here for input some come here because they have nothing better to do and need to feel like a tough guy on the other end of the screen. I assume by the way you carry yourself that your probably making minimum wage and have only gone as far as high school.

 

[drrman]

keep blasting guys this just shows me how you really how no life but to have cyber muscles. Some people come here for input some come here because they have nothing better to do and need to feel like a tough guy on the other end of the screen. I assume by the way you carry yourself that your probably making minimum wage and have only gone as far as high school.

HAHA....i was just pointing out how WRONG you are bro....and you say you are a IT tech....well guess what.....im a system administrator for an entire IT company bro.....a few of my credentials are....MCSE, MCSA, NET+, CCNA, A+, MCP

and i'll be glad to give you my ID numbers for each of these if you want to go online and check them yourself!

and i wasn't flexing cyber muscles.....many on here have said you diet is wrong and you keep saying you know something we don't....you keep saying protein is useless....well we told you otherwise and you still insist on saying we all are wrong! lol....and my cyber muscles on their worst day are better than your real ones shown in those pics bro!

SO......your only response you need to come up with is some research showing protein is a waste of time in a cycle bro!! GO AHEAD

 

[reigninghard]

in my opinion his cycle is shit to....dont pyramid any of it...run dbol 35-40mg ed for 6 weeks run test at 500 mg ew, and anything less than 400mg eq ew is useless. like i said before...good luck!

 

[drrman]

keep blasting guys this just shows me how you really how no life but to have cyber muscles. Some people come here for input some come here because they have nothing better to do and need to feel like a tough guy on the other end of the screen. I assume by the way you carry yourself that your probably making minimum wage and have only gone as far as high school.

BRO...you didn't come here for input...you came here in a seemed like bragging way posting up that rediculous website....which come across as an informative website for someone wanting to get into bodybuilding

you seem to already have your mind made up on what works and what doesn't....even though you are completely in left field

 

[dosteov]

BRO...you didn't come here for input...you came here in a seemed like bragging way posting up that rediculous website....which come across as an informative website for someone wanting to get into bodybuilding

you seem to already have your mind made up on what works and what doesn't....even though you are completely in left field

That fucking site is hillarious man. "I hope you got your tickets to the gun show!". What a joke man. Total tool. Typical long island dope.

 

[38532nd]

Just great glad to hear that.....but please explain what makes you such an asshole if your holding a great career why do you come across as such a moron.....As baboon put it before you have yet to offer a bit of help if it is so BAD!!!

 

[guitrole1]

Bro,
It seems like you like to create drama. I have been here for a few months, I’ve posted some questions and I’ve learned a lot. All of this with NEVER getting a negative response from anyone on this board. People here are truly willing to help if you’re open and humble. So, I think you need to ask yourself, what is it that was in your first post that is causing so many people to have negative things to say to you. I am not trying to flame you or put you down in any way. As you may have noticed earlier, I was one of the few people who tried to help without giving you any crap. I just think that when you are looking to get help from people who have much more knowledge than you do, you should be respectful instead of acting like you know so much. People want to help you, it’s just tough to want to help someone that comes across as cocky and arrogant.

I think that if you stick around and read 99% of the time and type 1%, you’ll find that there are a lot of great bros here willing to take their time to help you.

 

[38532nd]

Ok guys after asking some guys in here who have taken 2 seconds of there time to be polite about things I have gone to a great friend for some mods in my diet

Meal 1 4 egg whites, 2 whole eggs, 2 slices of dry toast, 1 cup of oats with raisins & black coffe.
Meal 2 5 ounces of pasta & 8 ounces of steak.
Meal 3 2 cups brown rice with 6 ounces of steak (top round).
Meal 4 2 cups brown rice with 6 ounces of steak.
Meal 5 6 ounces of steak with 2 slices toast with almond butter
Meal 6 1 cup of yogurt/ 2 tbsp. of peanut butter

I do agree I need to modify my diet some what and I will start this sunday and see where it leads me. I have to get to the supermarket.......

 

[drrman]

Ok guys after asking some guys in here who have taken 2 seconds of there time to be polite about things I have gone to a great friend for some mods in my diet

Meal 1 4 egg whites, 2 whole eggs, 2 slices of dry toast, 1 cup of oats with raisins & black coffe.
Meal 2 5 ounces of pasta & 8 ounces of steak.
Meal 3 2 cups brown rice with 6 ounces of steak (top round).
Meal 4 2 cups brown rice with 6 ounces of steak.
Meal 5 6 ounces of steak with 2 slices toast with almond butter
Meal 6 1 cup of yogurt/ 2 tbsp. of peanut butter

I do agree I need to modify my diet some what and I will start this sunday and see where it leads me. I have to get to the supermarket.......

OK bro....now you are on the right track.......i'll throw in some helpful advice now........that meal plan does not look bad at all if you follow it perfectly.....i KNOW YOU HATE PROTEIN powders bro, but if you can muster it up to do what i tell you it will yeild MORE results.

get you a quality whey protein.....just whey, doesn't have to be a popular brand or expensive.

now take 50g of protein and down it within 10-15 minutes after your workout.....i would take another 50g before laying down for bed, and i personally have 50g as soon as i wake up in the morning.....why is digested very quickly and is a MUST immediately after you train bro

 

[38532nd]

I was given this via email from Jay Culter so if anyone knocks it I would be surprised???? Like I said I just can't believe in protein because it can't be used as food only a supplement why is that????? If it is really a source of protein

 

[drrman]

I was given this via email from Jay Culter so if anyone knocks it I would be surprised???? Like I said I just can't believe in protein because it can't be used as food only a supplement why is that????? If it is really a source of protein

Its a source of "supplemental" protein bro......its not intended to be your entire source....just a way to raise your protein intake for the day. I PROMISE you Jay cutler has quite a few protein shakes throughout his day man....if he tells you different he's a liar!

At 220 lbs you should be intaking 450 grams of protein or so per day on all the juice you are taking.......even that diet doesn't even come close to 450g protein per day. Protein is so very important when lifting, more than ever when on steroids as protein is what your body uses to build the muscle and the steroids main job is to aid in this

 

[38532nd]

I am looking some input on this diet mod????

 

[38532nd]

Thanks for the input DRRMAN I will think about it what brand do you perfer????

 

[drrman]

Thanks for the input DRRMAN I will think about it what brand do you perfer????

i prefer whatever is the cheapest usually!! as long as it is pure whey and doesn't have a lot of carbs.....like the 5lb jug of EAS pure whey....some taste a little better than others but it all tastes very bland and like shit in general to me......some kinds are pretty good but they ahve much added calories and fat, such as muscle milk.

 

[38532nd]

Got ya I have approx 7 weeks left on the gear I will pick some up tonight and try. I will let you know if I see any major difference. I am open for corrective opinions that back it up

 

[al420]

Ok guys after asking some guys in here who have taken 2 seconds of there time to be polite about things I have gone to a great friend for some mods in my diet

Meal 1 4 egg whites, 2 whole eggs, 2 slices of dry toast, 1 cup of oats with raisins & black coffe.
Meal 2 5 ounces of pasta & 8 ounces of steak.
Meal 3 2 cups brown rice with 6 ounces of steak (top round).
Meal 4 2 cups brown rice with 6 ounces of steak.
Meal 5 6 ounces of steak with 2 slices toast with almond butter
Meal 6 1 cup of yogurt/ 2 tbsp. of peanut butter

I do agree I need to modify my diet some what and I will start this sunday and see where it leads me. I have to get to the supermarket.......

That is a big improvement - I think you will see it and feel better as a result. That is way more carbs than I can take in. You might consider loosing the cabrs after 3 on non-lifting days.

Still would love to see some supplements in there. Protien powders are real. Dosen't your jaw start to hurt eating all that steak - not to mention the bunghole - you gotta be shitting constantly on that much food. Conrats on the changes either way.

 

[al420]

Thanks for the input DRRMAN I will think about it what brand do you perfer????

I bet there is a old poll on this - favirote protien powder -

Mine is Vanilla Optimum Nutrition - it's 30 bucks for 5lbs or 36 50gram servings at GNC, which is probably the most expensive place to buy but location, location, location - it mixes real easy, taste is fine - not gritty.

I put a cup of oatmeal, one banana, 2 scoops of protien, and 1 tbsp of natty PB in my morning shake - it is BY FAR the highlight of my day taste wise - damm, I wish it was morning

 

[gtrcivic]

stick w/the basics, chicken, tuna, steak, fish along with protein powder for protein sources...oatmeal, some veggies, baked potatoes, brown rice for carbs.... lift hard and heavy along with cardio and you should be fine....

 

[al420]

I really wish there was a way that a person's age would appear next to his screen name. The stuff that some people write make me think they must be in their early teens.......and possibly missing a chromosome.

38532nd....what is your website address, I would like to see what all the hype is about.

Just check his bio - it is all there, but I warn you - you will need a ticket - "to the gun show" LOL

 

[rg78]

Thanks dude i just revisted your site to have anyother laugh. But seriously are you for real or is that site a joke?

 

[viczeva]

Thanks dude i just revisted your site to have anyother laugh. But seriously are you for real or is that site a joke?

i was just gonna post something like this. it has to be a joke, and if its not. PLEASE, please by the love of god all mighty, read like uve never read before. best of luck.
vic

 

[38532nd]

Everyone gets there start somewhere right!!!

 

[immortalis]

I am looking for mass at this point so I went with milk. I don't use any protein supplements because they are all fake.False advertising!!!! If these protein drinks where really a good source of protein they would be considered a meal not a supplement. If it was real protein in the shake you would be able to just drink a shake with no other source of protein in your diet(no steak /tuna/ chicken would be needed if these shakes really contained true protein).......

QUOTE=38532nd]
I understand your point but take 5 minutes to think. If protein powders were all real protein then your should be able to use them as your only source of protein RIGHT? But you can't Right? So tell why is protein powder considered a supplement and not a food source.Stop believing everything you hear spend your money on real food it's proven time and time again by arnold and Big louie. They didn't have these back then.[/QUOTE]

Are you actually trying to be serious? .... seriously? lol

 

[38532nd]

Yes...I tried some protein last night and this morning and holy shit literally....I had to shit after both shakes this sucks....I eat everything else and I'm fine.....Explain that..I can't stand needing a bathroom after I eat something...

 

[drrman]

Yes...I tried some protein last night and this morning and holy shit literally....I had to shit after both shakes this sucks....I eat everything else and I'm fine.....Explain that..I can't stand needing a bathroom after I eat something...

ever heard of a "protein fart" bro......its common knowledge protein digest relatively quick....and the gas will only get worse....but im telling you bro....ITS A MUST HAVE

 

[38532nd]

I guess but I work in a small office and farting is not an option.....It's hard to duck and run.....LOL

 

[immortalis]

ever heard of a "protein fart" bro......its common knowledge protein digest relatively quick....and the gas will only get worse....but im telling you bro....ITS A MUST HAVE

You must spread some Karma around before giving it to DRRman again.

 

[Neo22]

www.billyguns.com.....it was in his original post hid in there.....can you believe he is telling everyone we should not believe what we hear or know about protein!!!!

And this guy was talking shit to me?? LOLOLOL

LMFAO
LOL
LOLLERCOASTER
LOLLERSKATES !!!

 

[38532nd]

I don't smack people who don't throw the first stone....you deserve what you get....

 

[al420]

I want to know what your plan is about the site - posting progress pics is fine, but all the diet advice you give is not from your knowledge - it is a lot of "I have a friend who" - anyway, you don't want someone taking your advice as it is not sound - you owe it to innocent others to take that crap off your site.

Also - the workouts don't seem to mention deadlifts - and your using lat pulldows as your main back exercise???? This is no way to the stage my friend - you gotta be deadlifting and doing chins for your back - lat pulls are crap for size and depth.

I really hope you will change the site and accept that you have a long way to go - like DRRman said a few posts ago - 2-3 years minimum - which is not all that long

I would also suggest you start a poll on protien supplements - who uses them, and who does not - not sure that anyone else will agree w/ your opinion -

 

[38532nd]

I wish I could do deadlifts but since I shattered my elbow in the accident I can only go so far on the elbow. I don't want to tear anything...

 

[Extra_Strong]

I wish I could do deadlifts but since I shattered my elbow in the accident I can only go so far on the elbow. I don't want to tear anything...

so what are you limitied to? do you do tri's?

are you saying with your arms straight it could be pulled to hard?

 

[Neo22]

I wish I could do deadlifts but since I shattered my elbow in the accident I can only go so far on the elbow. I don't want to tear anything...

If you can bench press and do lat pulldowns you can deadlift. If you bulid up the tendons in your elbow like you should have it wouldnt be a problem. I'm sorry dude but you will never step on stage with that kind of attitude. You have no business running AAS if you can't even do pullups or deadlifts.

 

[al420]

I wish I could do deadlifts but since I shattered my elbow in the accident I can only go so far on the elbow. I don't want to tear anything...

At your size/level, to get big you HAVE to: Squat, Chin, Bench, Military Press, and Deadlift - that is fact. Every thing HAS to be done w/ free weights - everything. Your elbow will be fine - start light and make it work - my training partner's elbow is wrecked from a motorcycle accident and when he reps military dumbell presses w/ the 110's I can feel how fucked his elbow is - but guess what - he pushes throught it - I think that is the #1 quality in all BB's -they won't give up for shit

Further more - if you can do push-downs, skull crushers, and dips then you can deadlift. Don't waste your time doing curls - you want some real guns start deadlifting tomorrow

 

[Extra_Strong]

At your size/level, to get big you HAVE to: Squat, Chin, Bench, Military Press, and Deadlift - that is fact. Every thing HAS to be done w/ free weights - everything. Your elbow will be fine - start light and make it work - my training partner's elbow is wrecked from a motorcycle accident and when he reps military dumbell presses w/ the 110's I can feel how fucked his elbow is - but guess what - he pushes throught it - I think that is the #1 quality in all BB's -they won't give up for shit

Further more - if you can do push-downs, skull crushers, and dips then you can deadlift. Don't waste your time doing curls - you want some real guns start deadlifting tomorrow

ya ya and rows and cleans

 

[al420]

ya ya and rows and cleans

Agreed - totally

 

[Extra_Strong]

Agreed - totally

i knew you would