10 mg dbol effects on HPTA?

[hardrock]

Assuming natural test levels are normal. How much would 10 mg dbol spread throughout the day shut down HPTA? I know it's best to do first thing in the morning to piggyback natural test spike, but I'd like to do one(5mg) in the am and one pm.

 

[zoom]

According to most the theories I've heard, you should take both in the morning to limit HPTA suppression.

As to how much it shuts you down, I haven't seen any studies, but I do know one local doctor that says the three times he's had patients that did 10mg every morning and had blood tests, it reduced their natural production by a minimum of 40%. If I remember correctly, he said one guy's test production dropped by just over 60%.

Unless someone convinces me otherwise with a study, I'm not going to do a dbol bridge. It sounds nice in theory.

 

[hardrock]

Thanx for the response, but it's not a bridge. Starting with normal test levels.

 

[hardrock]

anyone else?

 

[DownUnder23]

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[A|pine]

Check this out - How would this be for a cutter?

10mg Dbol AM ED
25-30mg Denkall or comparable Var ED
6-8 weeks Total.

With only 10mg you could get some benefits w/out the bloat and water retention of a higher does. Right?

Is this just a foolish idea to include some Dbol? Any other thoughts or comments?

 

[bigerisbetter]

Thanx for the response, but it's not a bridge. Starting with normal test levels.

If it is not a bridge what is it? Is it going to be a cycle?

 

[Koivu_11]

10mg ED is useless... You get :
-poor results
-and you're shut down to a level where it's obvious that you're shut down

 

[A|pine]

W/ var though? Still useless?

 

[sigmund]

I made some nice, permanent gains following this 8 week cycle:

1 * dbol and 2 * spanish generic var (9am)
1 * dbol (12pm)
1 * dbol (4:30pm)
2 * spanish generic var (5:30pm)

No bloat and no obvious ball shrinkage

 

[robby]

even 10mg of d-bol will shut you down, IMO. i've read somewhere
that 10mg of d-bol will shut you down within 2 weeks. so if you
plan to do a cylce, do it, but go with higher dosage.
good luck

 

[hardrock]

If it is not a bridge what is it? Is it going to be a cycle?

Not a cycle in itself. I am also taking GH @ 2 iu per day and just thought the dbol might help a little. Ifi's going to shut me down, then I'll save it.

 

[Silent Method]

10mg ED is useless... You get :
-poor results
-and you're shut down to a level where it's obvious that you're shut down

Compared to baseline, even 5 mg puts nitrogen retention way up. It may not be "worth" it compared to the cost/benifit ratio of higher doses, but I wouldn't call it useless.

 

[A|pine]

Yes Im talking about using 10mg Dbol in the AM on a Var cutting cycle. Its mild to begin with - the Dbol is just for a lil boost. Better than if you ran just the Var and its so cheap anyhow. Anyone see anything wrong witht his?

 

[hardrock]

Compared to baseline, even 5 mg puts nitrogen retention way up. It may not be "worth" it compared to the cost/benifit ratio of higher doses, but I wouldn't call it useless.

So if I were to just run 5mg upon waking, it would help a little? Yet without compromising HPTA much? I only have 70(5mg) thai's anyway, so it's not worth saving for a cycle in the future.

 

[genarr4]

Well the only way to know for sure is get your test levels checked before you start and several times during.

 

[panerai]

Effect of an anabolic steroid (metandienon) on plasma LH-FSH, and testosterone and on the response to intravenous administration of LRH.

Holma P, Adlercreutz H.

Plasma levels of testosterone, luteinizing hormone (LH) and follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH) as well as the response of LH and FSH to the intravenous administration of 100 mug of luteinizing hormone releasing hormone (LRH) were measured in 16 well-trained athletes (mean age 30 years) before and after 2 months of daily oral intake of 15 mg of metandienon, and anabolic steroid (Anabolin, 17 alpha-methyl-17beta-hydroxy-1,4-androstadien-3-one, Medica, Finland). All athletes continued to train regularly, just as they had done for several years. During administration of metandienon the mean plasma testosterone level fell 69%, from 29.4 +/- 11.6 nmol/1 to 9.1 +/- 7.5 nmol/1. The mean plasma levels of LH and FSH also fell significantly (P less than 0.001 and P less than 0.01, respectively), both about 50%. Because LH and FSH levels were low after administration of the steroid the maximum stimulation values after LRH administration were also lower than pre-treatment values although the mean increments did not differ significantly before and after administration of the anabolic steroid. However, after treatment, the FSH response curve had a biphasic pattern in most subjects, with peaks at 10 to 20 and 50 to 60 min after the iv injection of LRH. Administration of LRH after the treatment period had no effect on FSH secretion in two subjects and no effect on LH secretion in one. Our results show that administration of an anabolic steroid causes a pronounced lowering of plasma levels of testosterone, LH and FSH but causes no gross alteration in the response of LH secretion to stimulation by LRH. The reason for the biphasic response pattern of FSH to LRH administration in most subjects is not known.

PMID: 793272 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

 

[Nighthawkk]

I have done an 8 week bridge of 10mg ED in the morning of russians. Strength and mass still increased as normal, but I used no ancillaries and got puffy/sore nips in week 5. Kept little of the gains too as I felt I was shut down afterwards. I don't recommmend it.

 

[buckwheat1]

Did you run armidex with the 10mg to keep the estrogen related suppression down?

 

[panerai]

Did you run armidex with the 10mg to keep the estrogen related suppression down?

What is "estrogen related suppression"?

 

[macDbol]

ive been takeing only 5mg the past 2 or 3 weeks in the morning instead of 10mg with my post cycle therapy, so far so good, balls are comming back.

 

[Riker29]

Hm,

On another board (which much less post volume but a LOT of experts, and no, I wont say which one becuiase I dont want a bunch of high school kids signing up for it - LOL) there consensus seems to be that doing a low dose, say 10 mg, RIGHT WHEN YOU WAKE UP in the morning, will NOT shut you down.

 

[panerai]

10mg upon awaikening will not shut you down, but personally I highly doubt that it will let you recover.
Some people had blood test as proof that they recovered. Did they had tested their dbol?lol...well, may be it's possible after relatively short (8 weeks) cycle, if user is very young...

 

[Riker29]

10mg upon awaikening will not shut you down, but personally I highly doubt that it will let you recover.
Some people had blood test as proof that they recovered. Did they had tested their dbol?lol...well, may be it's possible after relatively short (8 weeks) cycle, if user is very young...

Yeah, there IS a difference between something that will shut you down, and something that will prevent recovery.

For example from what I understand, Proviron will NOT shut you down by itself. However it WILL PREVENT restoration of HPTA (like after a cycle).

From what I have read also, morning dBol will not shut you down by itself (at a low dose and in a healthy person). However if you have supressed HPTA (as in after a cycle) morning DBol wil prevent recovery (or at least make it take a lot longer).

 

[buckwheat1]

HPTA is influenced by levels of androgens and estrogen. If you are not juicing and you take a-dex your estrogen levels will go down and your testosterone levels will go up. But there is obviously not only a feedback loop for estrogen but for androgens also. One theory is that androgen suppression is determined by how strongly the AR binding. Since d-bol is considered to bind weakly to the AR in low doses the suppression can be low. But since d-bol aromatises so heavily the estrogen suppression set in and caused the estrogen to signal inhibition of LH. So if you take care of the level of estrogen generated you, do morning only dosing , coupled with a low dose 10mg , LH suppression can be kept to a min and allow recovery to occur.