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1-T Ethergel/Boldione cycle: Results

MIKERAZ said:
I was under the impression androgenic and anabolic are the same thing. Animal stated if somethigns very anabolic its automatically very androgenic like 1-test he says also is 7 times as androgenic

absolute value means its value and thats determined by the index

Jesus.


It's 3.5 times as androgenic, BTW.
 
Saturday marked the end of week 5 on my stack. I have to say, the vascularity and mild, but steady strength gains and muscular endurance gains have been pretty sweet. Every week, squating becomes easier and easier, even though my working set of 8 reps gets heavier and heavier.
Any how, I've seemed to stay at 208, with out much change in weight. It may be something that I have control over, but aren't doing anything about. I really should think about kicking my caloric intake up, if I want to get over the 210 mark.
Other than that, my workouts are intense, pumps are great, and I really can't complain at all. Not to mention, I have experienced no side effects what so ever. I don't know, I feel like most of my entries are repetative, but everything is remaining good and isn't changing, which can be a good thing and a bad thing. So we'll see what is in store for me for this last 3 weeks. I can only hope it's great!
 
pa1ad said:



Well animal said..... Well animal said.........


anabolic means the ability of a compound to produce hypertrophy of skeletal muscle

androgenic means ability of a compound to increase weights of androgen responsive organs (in classical assay this is prostate and seminal vesicles)

The ratio of the first to the second determines its therapeutic index and its suitablity to use in clinical medicine - where the goal is as much differentiation between the two as possible.

So for methyl 4-AD, even though it assayed out pretty decent as far as anabolic potency goes, it had a bad index because it was also very androgenic.

Example of a product with a very good index is oxandrolone (anavar). This product is quite anabolic, while at the same time possessing very little androgenic activity.

this is BASIC ANABOLIC STEROID SCIENCE!! You should not even be discussing the subject unless you understand these concepts

Please do not talk to animal, he is a treasure trove of misinformation

Well i dont think animal's intellegence should be insulted i mean the man invented the Fina kit , And discoverd how to seperate test in synovex using methanol so he definetly has merit.


You said That methyl-4ad junk assayed out pretty decent , they dont release pretty decent assayed AAS i mean look at dianabol,Anadrol ,fina all these compounds assayed out INCREDIBLY Well anabolicly against testosterone thats why they got released.

I read some post that dianabol is the king of all assayed steroids
 
MIKERAZ said:


Well i dont think animal's intellegence should be insulted i mean the man invented the Fina kit , And discoverd how to seperate test in synovex using methanol so he definetly has merit.


You said That methyl-4ad junk assayed out pretty decent , they dont release pretty decent assayed AAS i mean look at dianabol,Anadrol ,fina all these compounds assayed out INCREDIBLY Well anabolicly against testosterone thats why they got released.

I read some post that dianabol is the king of all assayed steroids


The fina kit? What is that, a solvent and a filtration apparatus? That is genius?

He did NOT discover how to seperate the estradiol benzoate from synovex. You are just too stupid to realize this. The man has no means to test for estradiol benzoate so how does he know that he seperated it out? Cuz the final product did not give gyno? I got news for you my friend, many a folk take straight synovex and have no problems. You are a sucker for believing that bullshit. I have the means to test for steroids on GC/MS. I am very tempted to discredit him once and for all. But why bother? If i do then you will still believe him cuz you are fucking brainwashed. Will you drink the cyanide laced kool aid when he demands you too? methinks you will....

You still do not understand about anabolic steroids and the drug market in general. Many steroids assayed out just as good as the aforementioned steroids but never made it to market. Probably for economic reasons mostly or perhaps intellectual property concerns. Do you understand? No, of course you don't. Why do i bother?

Dianabol was actually a very so so steroid according to assays.
Why do you continue to make these idiotic statements? Will you not go do some real research? Do you not know how to use a fucking library?
 
This is why I don't get into these conversations, I know when I'm in way over my head :). I just try to sit back and learn. I wish I had the time to go read up on this particular subject.
 
pa1ad said:



The fina kit? What is that, a solvent and a filtration apparatus? That is genius?

He did NOT discover how to seperate the estradiol benzoate from synovex. You are just too stupid to realize this. The man has no means to test for estradiol benzoate so how does he know that he seperated it out? Cuz the final product did not give gyno? I got news for you my friend, many a folk take straight synovex and have no problems. You are a sucker for believing that bullshit. I have the means to test for steroids on GC/MS. I am very tempted to discredit him once and for all. But why bother? If i do then you will still believe him cuz you are fucking brainwashed. Will you drink the cyanide laced kool aid when he demands you too? methinks you will....

You still do not understand about anabolic steroids and the drug market in general. Many steroids assayed out just as good as the aforementioned steroids but never made it to market. Probably for economic reasons mostly or perhaps intellectual property concerns. Do you understand? No, of course you don't. Why do i bother?

Dianabol was actually a very so so steroid according to assays.
Why do you continue to make these idiotic statements? Will you not go do some real research? Do you not know how to use a fucking library?

Well first off chill out bro, This whole argument started when Notpuff asked about methyl-4ad , and i just told him that,
A) it's a dumb question because it would be inneffective
B)very hard to do
then we got into the argument about potency , which i based my arguments on my theory's , i do admit you know much more then me regarding AAS but even youd agree with me on the methyl-4ad because no Diol EVER assayed out better then its beta-hydroxyd counterpart. I'm sorry if i insulted you.

Animal tests for estrogen sing PA strips.
 
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pa1ad said:

Will you drink the cyanide laced kool aid when he demands you too? methinks you will....

Pat, I always like your posts (and products) but you just might be dating yourself with that comment :D

...damn I feel old
 
Well, for those that are following my weekly posts, this past Saturday marked the 6th week of being on this stack. Unfortunately though, it seems that the fun is coming to an end.......about 2 weeks early!!
I was informed days ago that Molecular wouldn't be shipping any more 1-T Ethergels until some time in June. For what reason, I don't know. But never the less, we sold our last bottle the day before I found out the bad news, and I'm going to run out this week. So, I don't get to see the effects of an 8 week cycle like I originally planned.
Personally, I don't believe my results were going to get much better than what they are currently. As of now, I've went from 197ish to 208ish, which I've maintained for 3-4 weeks now. My strength has increased a little, though not much. My muscular endurance is up, and I'm very impressed with this aspect, just because I'm off creatine and typically the only times I'm able to train strong through an entire work out is when I'm on creatine. When I'm not on creatine, I get too tired too quickly. I just don't have the endurance to last sometimes. This stack definitely helped to change that.
And lastly, as I've said before, the pumps have been fantastic and I've been more than happy with the increased vascularity. All and all, I have good things to say about this cycle. I definitely would like to see if there's a big difference in results between a 1-T Ethergel only cycle and this cycle I've done.
So I'll make posts as I continue along with what I have left for doses. Once I'm out, I'll begin Clomid. Right around that same time period, I'll reload creatine and hopefully that there will help me to hold some of my gains. Wish me luck!
 
Yesterday marked my last day of this stack. As I explained in my previous post, I'm unable to continue because I've run out and have no way of getting any more. So, today I started using clomid @ 100mg per day. It's not going to last me too long, but it's all I have and I have to make do with what I got.
I've also started taking in 20+ grams of glutamine daily and I'll start using creatine again in a few days. Hopefully, all of these things, coupled with a strict diet, I'll maintain my strength and weight.
Personally, I think it's a reasonable thing. I didn't gain all that much weight or strength, so I feel as though it's reasonable for my body to hold onto this new muscle and maintain my current level strength. So need less to say, I guess this thread is just about done. I'll put in one more post next week during my creatine load to tell people how I'm doing maintaining my new gains. Wish me luck!
 
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