1-ad/4-ad cycle

[goldbergdaman]

Starting my cycle on Monday, so I thought I should get started on my journal for this in case anyone is interested.

Stats
20 years old
5'9
180

Supplements
400 mg 1-ad (Ergopharm)
600 mg 4-ad (Avant Labs)
Multivitamin
5g Creatine/Day
N-Large II
Lots of Water

Workout Split
Legs
Chest, Biceps
Back
Shoulders,Tris

Dosing Schedule
Breakfast-100 mg 1-ad, about 6 squirts 4-ad
Lunch-100 mg 1-ad
6 o clock-100 mg 1-ad, about 6 squirts 4-ad
Post workout-100 mg 1-ad
Hour before bed-about 6 squirts 4-ad

I think that is about everything. Oh, planning on 4,000 calories/day. I can post my workout and/or diet if anyone is interested in that. If you guys think of anything you wanna know that I left out just lemme know. Thanks for reading guys.

 

[Dante B.]

Why the 6/6/6/ dosing of 4-ADerm (Avant 4-Diol)? Each application will last for approximately 12 hours, so one dosing come morning, one come evening (about twelve-hours later) would make do (as well would it be easier).

 

[goldbergdaman]

Thanks for the tip Dante. I usually get up at 6:30 or so, so I will do one dose then and then another when I get home from school and work at 6:30 at night.

 

[goldbergdaman]

Day 1

Weight is 180 this morning. I'll weigh at 6:30 when I wake up from here on out. There's not really that much to report on today since today wasn't a workout day. Got legs tomorrow night. Didn't have any problems with any of the doses, no pain urinating or anything like that. I drank a ton of water today though, so I'll be sure to keep that up. I took my 1-ad with breakfast, lunch and the last one with my meal at 6 pm. Applied the 4-ad at 6:30 when I woke up and then at 6:30 at night. I was hungrier than usual it seemed. I try to eat every 2-3 hours and it seemed I was eating again after 2 hours because I was so hungry. That's really all I have to report on today, nothing exciting, but it's the first day so I didn't expect anything. Im going to keep the dosage at 300 for the next four days or so and then make the decision to either stay or bump it up to 400, so we'll see how the next few days go. I'll post again tomorrow night after my workout.

 

[adverse]

im 20
5'9
170
and i was thinking about the same cycle for myself. keep posting your progress and let me know if its working for you.!

 

[goldbergdaman]

Got a quick question for anyone that can help. I put on my second dose of 4-ad at about 6:30 and I usually get to the gym at around 9:30 or 10 on workout days. Is this going to be enough time for the 4-ad to absorb and be effective or should I split that last dose up, taking half at 6:30 and half after I shower after the workout?Thanks guys.

 

[Dante B.]

Fine that would be, 6:30, the last application made. Several hours as may they pass is time enough for the 4-Diol to absorb, not a worry over water contact (via sweat, swim, or shower). However, you should not scrub the area hard when you bathe (if after 6:30. It would help to shave the area before this second dosing so as to remove the stratum corneum).

 

[goldbergdaman]

Day 3

Had to do legs tonite instead of yesterday nite, had a lecture to go to last nite that I had forgot about. Anyways, I've been feeling pretty tired and hungry these past two days. I knew I'd be more hungry, but I didn't think I would be this tired all day. So I've been taking naps whenever I get a chance to help that out. On to tonites workout. Weights were slightly up in pretty much everything. Nothing too drastic. I'm expecting my squat and front squat to go up regardless because I switched from parallel to all the way down about a month ago. I was able to get in a few more sets than I can usually handle though. I'm still at 300/600 for my doses. Havent had any problems with either one of them so far. Only side effects are being hungry and tired. I will weigh tomorrow morning, that will probably determine if I finish out this week at 300 or bump it up to 400 a few days early. Im trying not to expect too much this first week, Ive been counting on this stuff to really kick in next week or maybe this weekend. We'll see how it goes tomorrow. Oh yeah, thanks for answering my question Dante, that was why I had planned on doing 200 x 3 at first but it has been easier to just do it twice a day. Time to go eat,update yall tomorrow.

 

[sheriff]

im on second bottle of 1-ad and i get the tired feeling alot is that a side effect?

 

[goldbergdaman]

im on second bottle of 1-ad and i get the tired feeling alot is that a side effect?

Yeah, a lot of people that take it get that tired feeling from what I've read. 4-ad should help you out with that. I havent felt tired today, was even wide awake for my entire 8 o clock this morning, doesnt happen too often . So that is encouraging. I guess yours will probably be more prominent since I assume you're taking 1-ad by itself. How is your cycle going so far? Oh yeah, was 183 this morning. Could just be water weight, but always fun to watch the needle go up . Today is day 4.

 

[SlapItHard]

One thing I noticed with the 4-AD spray is it makes the skin on my upper arms kinda dry after a few days applications. Other than that I haven't noticed much side effects from 1-ad or 4-ad except a few pimples, which is funny cause I haven't had any for years.

 

[goldbergdaman]

Sup guys. Sorry not updating these last two days, been real busy with school and work. Today is day 6, weight was 185. Had a really good back workout today. Deadlift was up 10 pounds from last workout as was db rows. Chin ups ended up being pretty much the same as last week, but I'm five pounds heavier so I got stronger in those too. Gym closed earlier than I thought it was supposed to,so I didnt get to do shrugs but I'll get em tomorrow. I still have that tired feeling most of the day and I'm not as hungry all the time as I was on like day 2 and 3. Still eating the same amount , its just now it seems like I have to force myself on some meals. My back is starting to break out a little bit, but other than that I havent noticed any side effects, been pounding the water all week so that has probably helped a lot. I shave my head so if anyone is wondering about hair loss,I'm afraid I wont be much help on that . I was thinking that a little tanning might help clear up my back, that shouldnt cause any problems with the 4-Aderm should it? If anyone has some input on that I'd love to hear it. That's pretty much all I've got for right now. Halfway to my goal of 190 already so I'm pretty happy. I'll try my best to update every day from here on out. Later on

 

[SlapItHard]

I was 175-180 when i started, im on week 5 now and up to 205 and I still look damn lean.

 

[goldbergdaman]

I was 175-180 when i started, im on week 5 now and up to 205 and I still look damn lean.

Thats some great gains man! Whats your stack look like?

 

[goldbergdaman]

Day 7

Weight was 186 this morning. Today I started taking 400 of 1-ad instead of 3, well see how that works. Had another good workout yesterday, was shoulder and triceps day. All weights were up. I can tell that I've gotten bigger and it doesnt really look like I'm holding much water so that is good. Got a lot more veins showing than usual too. I guess the way to really find out how much water I'm holding is to see how much I keep after my cycle is over. Havent noticed any side effects really except that my back is starting to break out on my shoulders some. It also seems that I have to use a few more warm up sets than usual to get ready to lift,anyone else have that happen with them? Nothing really exciting to report today though, just thought I'd throw in a little update. Nothing exciting except ND getting the #3 spot in the BCS poll today .Sorry had to throw that in there,been almost ten years since they started 7-0 cant let it go unnoticed. Anyways, thats all I got for now. Have more tomorrow night after leg workout.

 

[goldbergdaman]

Day 10

Woke up this morning and was 190, was surprised as hell. I had moved up to 400 of 1-ad on monday but I didnt expect to go up this much. I didn't drink any more water than normal so I don't know what else it could be. Maybe I just held a little more than usual, we'll see when I weigh tomorrow morning I guess. Anyways, had my leg workout last nite. Started off with front squats and did my 5 sets on there and then my lower back began to cramp up terribly. There was really no way I could do regular squats after that, so I went ahead and did my heavy extensions thinking the cramping would subside enough for me to do squats last. It never did though,so I got in a couple on leg press instead. Just added a few more leg curl sets instead of doing sldl afterwards like I usually do,didnt think my back could take it. It was pretty much cramped the entire workout, this was the first time its happened. I've read of guys on roids cramping up in their lower back, could this be the same thing for me? If it did this after squats I can just imagine what it'll feel like after deadlifts this weekend or hopefully this was a one time thing. Does anyone have any other explanation for this? Thanks to anyone that can offer any input on this. Got chest and biceps tomorrow nite,will have another update then. Later

 

[voodoo]

The lower back pump can happen, even while not "on" anything. More common on, been reported with 1-AD as well.

It can be a big problem for some, its not like you are used to a pump in the lower back.

If it is just a pump/pain, not to worry too much. Pay attention to your body - you don't want to mask a injury.

 

[FunkMasterFlex]

just started bout hte same cycle. Hope it goes as well as it been going for you. I am at like 5700 cals and double works outs haha. I am going nuts but itsonly a 2 week and 2 week recovery. Feels good after the first day. Wish i did have to eat so much. But GOOD LUCK with the rest of your time.

 

[goldbergdaman]

Day 16

Sorry bout lack of updates, school and work has kept me really busy this past week. I'm sitting at 193-194 as of today and just started my second bottle of 1-ad. I'm considering maybe bumping it up to 500 next week for my last week just to finish the bottle off, still have 4-ad dose at 600. May have to move that up some if I decide to bump up the 1-ad next week. I'll see how the rest of this week goes before I make that decision though. Weights have continued to increase in my workouts, hope I'm able to keep all these strength gains. I'm starting to break out a little more this week than the previous two also and sex drive has been pretty much dead the last week or so, that just seemed to hit all of a sudden. Those were to be expected though, so no unusual sides that I can notice.

Thanks for the reply Voodoo. I had never gotten pumps in lower back before I started this cycle, just wanted to make sure that it wasn't anything that I was doing wrong or anything. I've been stretching it out more since it happened and that seems to help out a lot.

Funkmaster-Damn,thats a lot of calories . (and I thought 4,000) was a lot. What are you planning to do for your post cyle recovery? Starting to prepare for mine with just one and a half weeks to go. Good luck with your cycle man.

 

[pa1ad]

Day 10

Woke up this morning and was 190, was surprised as hell. I had moved up to 400 of 1-ad on monday but I didnt expect to go up this much. I didn't drink any more water than normal so I don't know what else it could be. Maybe I just held a little more than usual, we'll see when I weigh tomorrow morning I guess. Anyways, had my leg workout last nite. Started off with front squats and did my 5 sets on there and then my lower back began to cramp up terribly. There was really no way I could do regular squats after that, so I went ahead and did my heavy extensions thinking the cramping would subside enough for me to do squats last. It never did though,so I got in a couple on leg press instead. Just added a few more leg curl sets instead of doing sldl afterwards like I usually do,didnt think my back could take it. It was pretty much cramped the entire workout, this was the first time its happened. I've read of guys on roids cramping up in their lower back, could this be the same thing for me? If it did this after squats I can just imagine what it'll feel like after deadlifts this weekend or hopefully this was a one time thing. Does anyone have any other explanation for this? Thanks to anyone that can offer any input on this. Got chest and biceps tomorrow nite,will have another update then. Later

Unfortunately this happens with steroids / prohormones sometimes. Anadrol and 1-AD seem to be particularly bad in this regard.

I think maybe it has something to do with nerve impingment or blood flow occlusion. The lower back is a sensitive are so a sudden hypertrophy of the spinal erectors may through all sorts of shit off balance.

Additionally, your supporting muscles in your lower torso may be lagging behind the rest of your lower back muscles. there is an exercise to work these and you do it sitting or laying down. Suck in your lower abs as much as you can - like you are pulling your waist in from your belt. You should not be flexing your abs at all - it is a sucking in exercise not an ab flex exercise. This exericse causes all the supportive muscles around your spine area and inner ab region to contract. Keep this contracted for 20-30 seconds or so and then relax. Do this every chance you get. It really helped me with my back problem

 

[Dante B.]

I was thinking that a little tanning might help clear up my back, that shouldnt cause any problems with the 4-Aderm should it?

One gram of Pantothenic Acid (Vitamin B5) has served many rather well. Tanning is fine providing that you allow some time to pass before doing so (at least thirty-minutes----perhaps better the more)

 

[goldbergdaman]

Day 18

Weighed in at 193 this morning. Got my leg workout tonite. Workout schedule has been all messed up this week because of midterms but I'll still get everything in. Why would people schedule midterms during the first week of the NBA season? Don't they know I have the League Pass and need lots of free time to watch my games ? . Really nothing new to report today, hoping for a real good leg workout tonite. Interested to see how my back holds up this time.

Pat- Thanks for the advice. I've been doing the exercise you suggested the past two days, shall see if that helps any in my lifting tonite. If not,hell its only a week and a half left. I can put up with it for that much longer. I really appreciate your response though.

Dante-Thanks for the tip, I'll check that stuff out. I didn't think the tanning would interfere as long as I let it dry enough, but just wanted to make sure.

Sorry I dont have anything more exciting to report today, just thought I'd get in a quick update before I go to work. Will have a better one either tonite or most likely tomorrow morning. Later.

 

[ThePolishHammer]

Wicked gains man, keep the info up. I may just have to do some border hopping (im in canada), and pick up some of the shit. Hope things go well for you post cycle. Anything planned for post cycle drugs? Liquidex, clomid?