1,000 pound Bench Press failure at Mr. Olympia

[redsamurai]

it always amazes me the ignorance of the masses, and not just in regards to bench shirts. training in a shirt DOES increase your raw max. my own personal raw max went up 40 lbs in 5 months without me EVER doing one RAW 1RM during that entire time. people i train have also seen their raw bench go from shirt work, and world record holders i've spoken with have confirmed the same in their experiences

hey, I thought so too....but too many plifters have told me otherwise. Too many plifters say so in writing too. It was certainly surprising to me......I'd like to hear more about this, if other people experienced your elevation in raw max from using a shirt....??

 

[silver_shadow]

I agree that all sports undergo changes.....but lifting is something primal. I don't want to see equipment take it over. If shirts were that "functionally" good for you......football players would use them, strongmen like Pud would use them. But they're so lift specific......they don't translate into anything else. I'm appalled at learning that training in a shirt doesn't even elevate your raw bench.......there's no point then. I would use a shirt if it helped me get over a raw plateau. And they do stabilize the weight.....a TON!! That's why you can press more.......Rychlak get's out of the suit groove and misses the lift badly. Now supposedly Rychlak can't bench more than 600 raw.....the New England PL federation called him on it.....he didn't even acknowledge the charge....so there's probably some truth to it. So big gene get's 400 pounds out of his shirt. Now Mendelson......he bench's 730 raw, I'm more impressed with that boy than I am with Rychlak. 730 raw, 1000 with a shirt......so he works both. And he actually looks athletic....unlike Rychlak.

lifting isn't the only primal sport. what about swimming for instance - aren't they benefitting fromt the new suits? i don't remember anyone question why swimmers use the new suits rather than ordinary speedos.

and if we are to ask why shirts and suits, why not go a step further and ask why juice as well? and that would apply to all sports. isn't that assistance as well? but here on EF, we never question it because we rationalize that the top guys in their respective sports are doing it so anyone not juicing would be left behind. same logic with shirts and suits.

 

[Scotsman]

it always amazes me the ignorance of the masses, and not just in regards to bench shirts. training in a shirt DOES increase your raw max. my own personal raw max went up 40 lbs in 5 months without me EVER doing one RAW 1RM during that entire time. people i train have also seen their raw bench go from shirt work, and world record holders i've spoken with have confirmed the same in their experiences

and layoff bashing gene. the man has accomplished what NO ONE else has in competition, benching 1010. you should give the man respect for what he's done instead of trying to tear him down, considering less then .5% of anyone on this site will ever be able to say they've benched half that much in whatever is available at the moment

also the apf recently announced the addition of raw lifting in our federation so now EVERYONE who CHOOSES to, really what all of this is about, can compete on the playing field they choose, and hopefully start to put an end to all the BULLSHIT talked in this sport, from mostly outsiders, ie gymrats, as to why equipment is allowed, how it's not fair, or that it's fake lifting(????), blah blah blah

Exactly, my point was more that people who train specifically for shirted benching more than likely don't test their raw max.

Cheers,
Scotsman

 

[redsamurai]

lifting isn't the only primal sport. what about swimming for instance - aren't they benefitting fromt the new suits? i don't remember anyone question why swimmers use the new suits rather than ordinary speedos.

and if we are to ask why shirts and suits, why not go a step further and ask why juice as well? and that would apply to all sports. isn't that assistance as well? but here on EF, we never question it because we rationalize that the top guys in their respective sports are doing it so anyone not juicing would be left behind. same logic with shirts and suits.

I agree with you....I don't think swimming suits should be allowed. And even in sports like golf and tennis......you have to stop somewhere. Men's tennis is becoming ridiculous.....guys that a couple years ago would struggle to launch a 115mph serve....are putting up shit in the 120's now. And the top guys are hitting close to 150. But I have to disagree with you......none of these sports are as "primal" as lifting. I want lifting to remain pure.

 

[LAN T]

roids, bench shirts what's next hyraulic implants

 

[mm107]

roids, bench shirts what's next hyraulic implants

roids, high number of reps, no stenght, and gay porn.....oh wait thats the life of a BBer.

thats like saying roids are not used in bbing.

 

[silver_shadow]

or in soccer, football, athletics, cycling, swimming, hell even in baseball!

 

[blut wump]

Let's take Formula 1 back to Flintstone basics.

 

[cboogsrun]

looks like i need to get THAT shirt lol

i believe some equpiment is better, in fact i had a pdf where the equipment was tested for sttrenght/stretch/etc

but crap 300lbs out out a shirt is insane.....

Not a 100% but I think scott mendelson puts up 700's raw and 1000's geared up. That is 300lbs! I'm not knocking any of these guys but their range of motion is so little by the time they arch and the insanely wide grips. I'm much more impressed with a 15 year old kid putting up 315 with his back flat on the bench than I am by a guy who arches and uses a shirt that he has to pull 500lbs down to his chest just to be able to press it. just my 2 cents.

 

[Scotsman]

Not a 100% but I think scott mendelson puts up 700's raw and 1000's geared up. That is 300lbs! I'm not knocking any of these guys but their range of motion is so little by the time they arch and the insanely wide grips. I'm much more impressed with a 15 year old kid putting up 315 with his back flat on the bench than I am by a guy who arches and uses a shirt that he has to pull 500lbs down to his chest just to be able to press it. just my 2 cents.

Scott wasn't pressing 1,000 lbs when he hit the 713 raw more like low 900's. Which is still like 200lbs, but it's not just because of the shirt it's more how he trains. There is a rumor that he's going to try and break 800 raw this year.

Cheers,
Scotsman