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Nasser1997o2 said:
I will admit that I come from a place of ignorance when it comes to everyone's own knowledge of the use of peds.

I also take a very health conscious focus on ped use.

I do know how to read my own bloodwork, but i understand that alot of people might not be able to.

I wouldn't attempt to do my own plumbing work, so yes I was wrong.
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Nah it's not that you were wrong, I could see you wrote from a place of your own perception at the time. Humbleness is a great attribute brother respect
 
Chopper25 said:
Sorry Swcc. I said my piece about you on the other forum, and I also believe I am the reason why you got banned from it too. Nothing I did personally, but I did manage to bring your true colours out. Now that I am reading other people comments, I can relate to them because I went through the same thing, and people do have a right to know about your coaching method.

I signed up to Scww at the beginning of the year and had a goal to put on

I think that would be me you are talking about. Yes I had heart failure about 4 years back and went to him with a goal to put on weight and then do a cut for the last for months. Told him I was on apixiban, bisoprolol, perindoprol etc. He had me on 1000mg test, 400 deca, 250 e, 5iu GH, 10iu lantus, 5iu novo pre and post, t3, t4. One stage I told him that I was delaying really achy in the joints all over and he said, I don't know, I'm not a doctor or physio. Maybe go and see one. Also had me on clen too. Ended up going to hospital via ambulance where I remained in hospital for a few days with AF. I sent him a text when I got home to chat and he said he was too busy to call, and leave a message with any questions. I thought you wouldn't even treat an animal like that.

Also when I was approaching my cutting phase, he dropped my carbohydrates to a low level and told me to keep everything else the same regarding peds and training. I sent him a text later to say, shouldn't I drop the insulin if my carbs are lowered and he replied, yes take out the slin. Luckily I have a fair understanding about this stuff and if I did want he said, I could be dead to this day.

I made a comment on his coaching page on the other forum and touched a nerve with him. Then he bagged me saying, all I wanted to do was take large amounts of gear, called me an old poofter, said I didn't follow anything he advised and so on. The only thing I didn't follow was three exercises at the gym because they didn't have those machines. Everything else I followed exactly what he said to do.

I said my piece on the forum and he not long got booted off. I still have every message saved to prove it.

I will agree with the other guys. Swcc is dangerous and should not be coaching. I could have died twice following his protocol. His messages and check ins were always short and sweet. I said at one stage my sex drive is killed, and my joints all over a really aching. I said should I get bloods taken and he said it's up to you. I felt like he had no time of day to put any effort into training me. Also one stage I asked told him I could only get masteron prop and not enethate. He cracked the shits with me as he was down Melbourne preparing for a comp and wanted no contact. I thought, if you haven't got the time to talk, why take money off me.

I then signed up to coach Gainsman and the difference was out of this world. Gainsman was have long conversations on the phone, always left detailed voice messages about things, explained things really well to me and had a lot of time to coach. I've been training for 36 years and I'm not a dumb cunt, but wanted a coach to get me to a competition level, just not compete.

I also heard a whisper that he used to be a support worker and used to take advantages of the clients he looked after. Can't exactly remember in what way, but he is a dog. I don't think he will reply to my comment here as he knows I am right in what I am saying about him, also I have proof. I. Wouldn't have gone this far with it all, it's only because of his insults and utter lies he said about me I chose to put it up on the forum. Happy to share the messages with the admin team here to get him booted off as a coach.
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Fucken hell.

Extremely lucky to be alive my brother, holy shit.
Please take care of yourself going forward too - clen with heart failure and those dosages is just fucken what the fuck..
 
Chopper25 said:
Sorry Swcc. I said my piece about you on the other forum, and I also believe I am the reason why you got banned from it too. Nothing I did personally, but I did manage to bring your true colours out. Now that I am reading other people comments, I can relate to them because I went through the same thing, and people do have a right to know about your coaching method.

I signed up to Scww at the beginning of the year and had a goal to put on

I think that would be me you are talking about. Yes I had heart failure about 4 years back and went to him with a goal to put on weight and then do a cut for the last for months. Told him I was on apixiban, bisoprolol, perindoprol etc. He had me on 1000mg test, 400 deca, 250 e, 5iu GH, 10iu lantus, 5iu novo pre and post, t3, t4. One stage I told him that I was delaying really achy in the joints all over and he said, I don't know, I'm not a doctor or physio. Maybe go and see one. Also had me on clen too. Ended up going to hospital via ambulance where I remained in hospital for a few days with AF. I sent him a text when I got home to chat and he said he was too busy to call, and leave a message with any questions. I thought you wouldn't even treat an animal like that.

Also when I was approaching my cutting phase, he dropped my carbohydrates to a low level and told me to keep everything else the same regarding peds and training. I sent him a text later to say, shouldn't I drop the insulin if my carbs are lowered and he replied, yes take out the slin. Luckily I have a fair understanding about this stuff and if I did want he said, I could be dead to this day.

I made a comment on his coaching page on the other forum and touched a nerve with him. Then he bagged me saying, all I wanted to do was take large amounts of gear, called me an old poofter, said I didn't follow anything he advised and so on. The only thing I didn't follow was three exercises at the gym because they didn't have those machines. Everything else I followed exactly what he said to do.

I said my piece on the forum and he not long got booted off. I still have every message saved to prove it.

I will agree with the other guys. Swcc is dangerous and should not be coaching. I could have died twice following his protocol. His messages and check ins were always short and sweet. I said at one stage my sex drive is killed, and my joints all over a really aching. I said should I get bloods taken and he said it's up to you. I felt like he had no time of day to put any effort into training me. Also one stage I asked told him I could only get masteron prop and not enethate. He cracked the shits with me as he was down Melbourne preparing for a comp and wanted no contact. I thought, if you haven't got the time to talk, why take money off me.

I then signed up to coach Gainsman and the difference was out of this world. Gainsman was have long conversations on the phone, always left detailed voice messages about things, explained things really well to me and had a lot of time to coach. I've been training for 36 years and I'm not a dumb cunt, but wanted a coach to get me to a competition level, just not compete.

I also heard a whisper that he used to be a support worker and used to take advantages of the clients he looked after. Can't exactly remember in what way, but he is a dog. I don't think he will reply to my comment here as he knows I am right in what I am saying about him, also I have proof. I. Wouldn't have gone this far with it all, it's only because of his insults and utter lies he said about me I chose to put it up on the forum. Happy to share the messages with the admin team here to get him booted off as a coach.
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That’s fucking wild.
 
Trumpy said:
Glad you’re with Gainsman now. I knew he fucked you up, but I didn’t know the full stack though. I thought it was just test and eq.

Literally put you in hospital and ignored you. Faaaark.
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@Chopper25 was an amazing client to work with and I really enjoyed helping him
I was very shocked to hear what he had been through and the advice he had received with his previous coach
But we cleaned everything up, dropped his doses right down and had him ready for a photoshoot looking amazing at 50 years old and most importantly healthy too
I'll attach a photo of how he looked at the end with minimal gear + the right guidance and support to show to everyone reading this you don't need to push the limits and risk your health especially if you're not competing
If a coach ever asks you to do something you're uncomfortable with please question it
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Gains Man said:
@Chopper25 was an amazing client to work with and I really enjoyed helping him
I was very shocked to hear what he had been through and the advice he had received with his previous coach
But we cleaned everything up, dropped his doses right down and had him ready for a photoshoot looking amazing at 50 years old and most importantly healthy too
I'll attach a photo of how he looked at the end with minimal gear + the right guidance and support to show to everyone reading this you don't need to push the limits and risk your health especially if you're not competing
If a coach ever asks you to do something you're uncomfortable with please question it
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That’s mad. Great job, both of you.
 
shnagzy said:
Ok so yes those bloods are real, I did them myself before even signing on and sent them to you after asking if you wanted to see. The turinabol question is also real, as I was asking due to being able to get it for free. I had no idea and was able to get something for free that would usually cost me a bit, who wouldn't ask?

I'm not spreading any abuse, any slander or any lies. I haven't been going around saying stupid shit and I haven't threatened anything or any one at any time.

I just wanted to state facts and explain my side of the story and will continue to do so, as well as being 100% truthful about things I have said or that are claimed about me, such as above.
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Think. You paid for cycle advice then, just cos someone gave you product for free, asked if it can be added.

On that basis the 100 or so vials I have here need to be used in any cycle I do. Even if they are not appropriate for the plan
 
SteveMobsterG said:
Think. You paid for cycle advice then, just cos someone gave you product for free, asked if it can be added.

On that basis the 100 or so vials I have here need to be used in any cycle I do. Even if they are not appropriate for the plan
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Just so you do know, the actual conversation started with "Random question but what would you rate more, anadrol or turinabol? If my mate comes through I may get my hands on some for free lol" that was it. I was asking literal advice
 
SteveMobsterG said:
Think. You paid for cycle advice then, just cos someone gave you product for free, asked if it can be added.

On that basis the 100 or so vials I have here need to be used in any cycle I do. Even if they are not appropriate for the plan
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Tell me why mods aren’t taking this pack of pin cushion wolves and fucking their accounts off this forum. Bullying and gang mentality achieving absolutely fuck all.
 
Concubine said:
Just when it seemed like there was some sense, old mate idreamofhenrysballs waltzes back in.

I suggest keeping the threats to a minimum, if you truly want to pay a visit, or be at his show, let me know and I’m happy to ensure you’re dealt with appropriately.

With the authorities of course, you see because I’m not a spineless meathead junkie making threats online.
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Go ahead and do it because im doing exactly what i said
 
This guy was clearly just pushing gear and had no regard for anyone's health and safety as long as he was getting his pocket lined. Who puts a 20 year old on his very first cycle on 750 test, 350 primo, 150npp, 100 mast, 18iu HGH and 4iu novorapid. I'm surprised he hasnt un alived someone! Im new to the "industry" he claims to know so much about and even i know you shouldn't run more than 1 compound on your first cycle so you can assess how your body reacts, how would you even know what his having sides too!!!!!! and this psychopath is telling kids to take insulin. Thats just fucking wild! People like this have no place in a community that's trying to achieve their goals in a safe respectful way! You wanna push gear and have no regard for your customers go sell rec drugs on the corner. I hope no one supplies this guy so he cant harm anyone else!
 
Chopper25 said:
Well I was and over 50 years old
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Over 50 years old and still can’t think for yourself, sounds like early onset dementia my guy.

I think I remember you from ASF, you’re the guy that got his ass laughed off the forum for titrating your own dosages and then caught out being a weirdo and inviting your coach to your house in QLD.

Small world my guy.
 
Mast e baiter said:
What are you 11?
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A man that calls himself Mast e baiter questioning others maturity? Hi pot, meet kettle. I’m 11 and still wise enough not to blast gear because daddy said so.

Speaking of, the 20 year old douchette buys and sells the same shit he’s blasting to his family, for profit through telegram. Who’s telling his family what their dosages should be? Likely the numb skulled tik tok brained idiot that is claiming his coach put him on blast protocol, then pushes the product to his own flesh and blood. One day you’ll be scraping recycled Jimmy Carr jokes off your dead mums jacked tits.
 
Concubine said:
A man that calls himself Mast e baiter questioning others maturity? Hi pot, meet kettle. I’m 11 and still wise enough not to blast gear because daddy said so.

Speaking of, the 20 year old douchette buys and sells the same shit he’s blasting to his family, for profit through telegram. Who’s telling his family what their dosages should be? Likely the numb skulled tik tok brained idiot that is claiming his coach put him on blast protocol, then pushes the product to his own flesh and blood. One day you’ll be scraping recycled Jimmy Carr jokes off your dead mums jacked tits.
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You need to put down the pipe champ.
 
Mast e baiter said:
You need to put down the pipe champ.
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Concubine said:
A man that calls himself Mast e baiter questioning others maturity? Hi pot, meet kettle. I’m 11 and still wise enough not to blast gear because daddy said so.

Speaking of, the 20 year old douchette buys and sells the same shit he’s blasting to his family, for profit through telegram. Who’s telling his family what their dosages should be? Likely the numb skulled tik tok brained idiot that is claiming his coach put him on blast protocol, then pushes the product to his own flesh and blood. One day you’ll be scraping recycled Jimmy Carr jokes off your dead mums jacked tits.
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and seeing as were picking on each others names. "Unlike a primary wife, a concubine had lower social standing and fewer legal rights"
How fitting of a name for a little champ
 
shnagzy said:
Just so you do know, the actual conversation started with "Random question but what would you rate more, anadrol or turinabol? If my mate comes through I may get my hands on some for free lol" that was it. I was asking literal advice
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That's fine. But that's not where the convo ended.

If it had been me I'd have taken the drol and tbol and just added to the stash for later. Free is free right?
 
Thanks Gainsma
Gains Man said:
@Chopper25 was an amazing client to work with and I really enjoyed helping him
I was very shocked to hear what he had been through and the advice he had received with his previous coach
But we cleaned everything up, dropped his doses right down and had him ready for a photoshoot looking amazing at 50 years old and most importantly healthy too
I'll attach a photo of how he looked at the end with minimal gear + the right guidance and support to show to everyone reading this you don't need to push the limits and risk your health especially if you're not competing
If a coach ever asks you to do something you're uncomfortable with please question it
View attachment 182679
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Gains Man said:
@Chopper25 was an amazing client to work with and I really enjoyed helping him
I was very shocked to hear what he had been through and the advice he had received with his previous coach
But we cleaned everything up, dropped his doses right down and had him ready for a photoshoot looking amazing at 50 years old and most importantly healthy too
I'll attach a photo of how he looked at the end with minimal gear + the right guidance and support to show to everyone reading this you don't need to push the limits and risk your health especially if you're not competing
If a coach ever asks you to do something you're uncomfortable with please question it
View attachment 182679
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Thanks Gainsman. Was a pleasure working with you, even though it was only for a short time. Your a true gentleman 👍
 
Concubine said:
“But he told me too” ooo I’m just a frail little boy and the big big man told me what to do and I had no choice. Fuck off you little cunt I bet your mum still wipes your shitty arse.
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Concubine said:
A man that calls himself Mast e baiter questioning others maturity? Hi pot, meet kettle. I’m 11 and still wise enough not to blast gear because daddy said so.

Speaking of, the 20 year old douchette buys and sells the same shit he’s blasting to his family, for profit through telegram. Who’s telling his family what their dosages should be? Likely the numb skulled tik tok brained idiot that is claiming his coach put him on blast protocol, then pushes the product to his own flesh and blood. One day you’ll be scraping recycled Jimmy Carr jokes off your dead mums jacked tits.
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I’ve never seen someone suck someone’s else’s cock so hard on a forum lmao. Tell me you’re not Swcc’s bf without telling me you’re Swcc’s bf
 
Concubine said:
Over 50 years old and still can’t think for yourself, sounds like early onset dementia my guy.

I think I remember you from ASF, you’re the guy that got his ass laughed off the forum for titrating your own dosages and then caught out being a weirdo and inviting your coach to your house in QLD.

Small world my guy.
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So I just decided to read all the posts on this thread and wow, my name just got brought up from obviously one of Scww's fan club. You are right about one thing buddy, at the beginning before I had an issue with Swcc I did in fact invite him up for a break after be finished his competing just to get away from things, as I didn't actually mind the bloke at the time. I won't lie, and I never do. I also offered to pay him extra coaching money when I was already up to date, as I thought he was struggling financially when he wanted more in advance. I'm not a rich person, but I said I could probably give him an extra 2 weeks if he is struggling. He said he was financially fine, so that is that.

Now for the other parts you mentioned, I can think for myself buddy. Swcc said so many lies about me in that post and that is why I reacted and decided to tell the truth. I did not titrate the dosages up on my own accord. Like I said, I followed everything he said to do from the start to finish. I did ask a lot of questions over the time regarding training, nutrition and gear but somehow, Swcc managed to twist that on the forum and make me look I did everything myself, and all I was interested in was taking large amounts of gear and wouldn't listen to anything he advised. That was It was the completely opposite to what really happened, and I followed everything he said 100 percent of the way. So I can think for myself buddy, I just chose to follow what my coach said because that is the reason why I signed up to him, also I wanted to get to a level that I have never taken it too for the first time. Also if I chose to do everything myself and not listen to his advice, why would I waste $70 a week on a coach?

For example, his training involved only three sets for biceps. I'm used to doing say 10 sets to 12. So I asked a question. Another, do I take the most c every day or just on training days? Another, do I take dextrose before the nova or just have it with my pre workout meal? Things like this were asked. Now if that is me not thinking for myself, well dementia must be kicking in.

So one out of your three comments is infact right. The other two, far from the truth.

So you must be one of the guys on the other forum that was part of his fan club right? Well that says a lot about you then. It takes one fuck head to know another fuck head. I can see why you like and believe this heartless low life. Your probably the cunt that showed him how to steel from the supermarkets? Any wonder you are backing him up.

My advice to you. Get your facts right before you start shooting your mouth off about something you know nothing about. One thing about me is I never lie, and I sure as hell don't like being accused of something I don't do, or say. That's when I get defensive.
 
Chopper25 said:
So I just decided to read all the posts on this thread and wow, my name just got brought up from obviously one of Scww's fan club. You are right about one thing buddy, at the beginning before I had an issue with Swcc I did in fact invite him up for a break after be finished his competing just to get away from things, as I didn't actually mind the bloke at the time. I won't lie, and I never do. I also offered to pay him extra coaching money when I was already up to date, as I thought he was struggling financially when he wanted more in advance. I'm not a rich person, but I said I could probably give him an extra 2 weeks if he is struggling. He said he was financially fine, so that is that.

Now for the other parts you mentioned, I can think for myself buddy. Swcc said so many lies about me in that post and that is why I reacted and decided to tell the truth. I did not titrate the dosages up on my own accord. Like I said, I followed everything he said to do from the start to finish. I did ask a lot of questions over the time regarding training, nutrition and gear but somehow, Swcc managed to twist that on the forum and make me look I did everything myself, and all I was interested in was taking large amounts of gear and wouldn't listen to anything he advised. That was It was the completely opposite to what really happened, and I followed everything he said 100 percent of the way. So I can think for myself buddy, I just chose to follow what my coach said because that is the reason why I signed up to him, also I wanted to get to a level that I have never taken it too for the first time. Also if I chose to do everything myself and not listen to his advice, why would I waste $70 a week on a coach?

For example, his training involved only three sets for biceps. I'm used to doing say 10 sets to 12. So I asked a question. Another, do I take the most c every day or just on training days? Another, do I take dextrose before the nova or just have it with my pre workout meal? Things like this were asked. Now if that is me not thinking for myself, well dementia must be kicking in.

So one out of your three comments is infact right. The other two, far from the truth.

So you must be one of the guys on the other forum that was part of his fan club right? Well that says a lot about you then. It takes one fuck head to know another fuck head. I can see why you like and believe this heartless low life. Your probably the cunt that showed him how to steel from the supermarkets? Any wonder you are backing him up.

My advice to you. Get your facts right before you start shooting your mouth off about something you know nothing about. One thing about me is I never lie, and I sure as hell don't like being accused of something I don't do, or say. That's when I get defensive.
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Sorry about hearing what you went through bro and put trust into someone with your health.
I would never have bothered worrying about his financial situation and paying extra.
Pretty sure he sent like 500+ "New members" which were all "clients" of his to evo to post their TDs on Ironclads thread every week.
Pretty sure he must be the most successful coach in Australia with that many clients so money would have been flowwwiiinnggggg 😆
Thats not me poking shit at Clad but thats what everyone was told over at EVO. That they were SWCCs clients.

P.s youre looking awesome now bruz!
 
Wheelhouse87 said:
Sorry about hearing what you went through bro and put trust into someone with your health.
I would never have bothered worrying about his financial situation and paying extra.
Pretty sure he sent like 500+ "New members" which were all "clients" of his to evo to post their TDs on Ironclads thread every week.
Pretty sure he must be the most successful coach in Australia with that many clients so money would have been flowwwiiinnggggg 😆
Thats not me poking shit at Clad but thats what everyone was told over at EVO. That they were SWCCs clients.

P.s youre looking awesome now bruz!
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My 2c... biggest fake coach in aus, no coach woukd evo have that many clients!!!! And like u said @Wheelhouse87 the money would of been flowing... I dnt by it at all
 
Wheelhouse87 said:
Sorry about hearing what you went through bro and put trust into someone with your health.
I would never have bothered worrying about his financial situation and paying extra.
Pretty sure he sent like 500+ "New members" which were all "clients" of his to evo to post their TDs on Ironclads thread every week.
Pretty sure he must be the most successful coach in Australia with that many clients so money would have been flowwwiiinnggggg 😆
Thats not me poking shit at Clad but thats what everyone was told over at EVO. That they were SWCCs clients.

P.s youre looking awesome now bruz!
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Wow, that's a lot. Any wonder he didn't have the time to coach. Thanks brother. 👍
 
Wheelhouse87 said:
Sorry about hearing what you went through bro and put trust into someone with your health.
I would never have bothered worrying about his financial situation and paying extra.
Pretty sure he sent like 500+ "New members" which were all "clients" of his to evo to post their TDs on Ironclads thread every week.
Pretty sure he must be the most successful coach in Australia with that many clients so money would have been flowwwiiinnggggg 😆
Thats not me poking shit at Clad but thats what everyone was told over at EVO. That they were SWCCs clients.

P.s youre looking awesome now bruz!
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He did a group buy with his group at the time - this group buy included members such as @abolone @VigorousSteve and many others.

SWCC himself did not actually participate in that group buy - he only made the introduction to @VigorousSteve who led the group buy himself in coordination with his broader group.

I do not know SWCC. Have had no association with him other than I knew he coached a few of the other lads and so thought it may be a good opportunity to sponsor him as well. Similar to Demon Throne - had no idea about the background as I do not know the 'deep' history of the forums.

And - also to be fair - I believe at the time - that group were SWCC's clients - @VigorousSteve and others can speak for themselves. I understand they also like many others in this forum discussion have since cut ties with him as a coach once things came to the fore.

Cheers
Clad.
 
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