HGH or DECA for healing? Both?

[Rekrul]

Hello fellas,

So I'm planning my next cycle out for this coming summer and need some input.

I am going to run 400mg cyp/150-200mg deca for 12 weeks this coming summer. I will aslo be running 50mg var for the last 6 weeks. Now I'm considering running HGH for a total of 16-20 weeks coinciding with this cycle at 2iu a day. The reason for using the GH and DECA is for a nagging joint injury that has been bothering me for almost a year now, it has gotten better but I want to really get rid of it as much as possible. So what are your thoughts? would the DECA alone be sufficient? Or should I pony up at get some GH?

 

[axe3]

Funny you should ask sir:

I got into a life changing accident almost 5 years ago and now live with chronic pain. I have done everything under the sun to relieve it. What has completely turned my life around is a run of deca. I have been on it since early sept. I am running 150mg/wk along with 250mg/wk of test. My accident completely redefined pain for me. on a scale of 1-10 if im at an 8 I'm curled up in a ball in bed and am basically useless. I lived at a 6. It was like a migrane headache. After a couple of wks on deca I dropped to a 3. I have since incorperated hgh...and my pain is minimal. I will be coming off the deca in a few weeks and am hopeful that the hgh alone keeps my pain from spiking

 

[Rekrul]

Funny you should ask sir:

I got into a life changing accident almost 5 years ago and now live with chronic pain. I have done everything under the sun to relieve it. What has completely turned my life around is a run of deca. I have been on it since early sept. I am running 150mg/wk along with 250mg/wk of test. My accident completely redefined pain for me. on a scale of 1-10 if im at an 8 I'm curled up in a ball in bed and am basically useless. I lived at a 6. It was like a migrane headache. After a couple of wks on deca I dropped to a 3. I have since incorperated hgh...and my pain is minimal. I will be coming off the deca in a few weeks and am hopeful that the hgh alone keeps my pain from spiking

Man, I'm sorry to hear that. I feel for ya, I don't think my pain is at your level its more or less a constant 4 or so. It really has changed my life, I can't sit or stand for prolonged periods of time. It has made me increasingly more moody and irritable, I guess you really don't know how bad chronic pain is until you go through it yourself. Your input is reassuring, I'll be trying the deca for sure. But my goodness is good GH expensive.

 

[RickO'Shea]

would deca be good for Patella Tendonitis?

 

[Gamer2Be08]

To use deca as a healer and GH as well.. You either need to not work out or work out light, real light.. Otherwise your masking the pain and when you come off deca and GH, it gets much worst..

Best joint tendon healer combo:
Deca
GH
IGF
Test
No lifting....

 

[axe3]

Man, I'm sorry to hear that. I feel for ya, I don't think my pain is at your level its more or less a constant 4 or so. It really has changed my life, I can't sit or stand for prolonged periods of time. It has made me increasingly more moody and irritable, I guess you really don't know how bad chronic pain is until you go through it yourself. Your input is reassuring, I'll be trying the deca for sure. But my goodness is good GH expensive.

Sounds like your pain is fucking with your head...which is the case with all people suffering from chronic pain. I had to sleep in a chair for over a year and couldnt lay on my back for more than 10 mins w/o being brought to tears.

I would honestly bail on the var and do a light Longer cycle of test and deca (250 test/150 deca/wk). This exact cycle changed my life. People that only know me post accident dont even recognize me now (attitude/physique/aura/world view) - honestly im my old self...and I thought that I had lost that.

Feel free to drop me a pm any time - I actually spent 2 months in a pain mgmt clinic and would be more than happy to support or bounce ideas around. Dont lose hope in getting rid of this!!

 

[Rekrul]

To use deca as a healer and GH as well.. You either need to not work out or work out light, real light.. Otherwise your masking the pain and when you come off deca and GH, it gets much worst..

Best joint tendon healer combo:
Deca
GH
IGF
Test
No lifting....

My issue is localized to my left hip. I have cut out heavy squats and heavy leg presses. I focus on real strict form light ass to grass squats and SL deadlifts, focusing on hamstrings and glute activation as well as really stabilizing my core. So you think even if the issue is the hip I should refrain from lifting other parts reasonably heavy?

Axe, I think I may do that. My only concern is I'm weary of staying on for longer than 12 or so weeks. I have plenty of HCG on hand though.

 

[axe3]

Rekrul: Its underatandable being nervous about being on for longer than 12 wks. This is actually a good sign. It means you take this shit seriously. And I like and respect that. That being the case I'd go for 12 weeks if I were you. If you dont already do so keep a pian log (it is increadibly easy to forget and you really want to be able to chart how things are going). I log mine 3x/day morning post exersize and evening. If you dont have one keep one for at least 2 wks prior to starting your run. Establish a firm baseline of where you are. This way if you have really good pain mgmt results and good pct recovery protocol you can manipulate the length of your next run as well as possibly even lower the doseage and do it right in order to return to your previous lifestyle

In terms of going reasonably heavy on other body parts not effected by your pain its a judgement call. The thing is you really want to take care of your body and listen to what its telling you. I promise you this your days of heavy lifting are most likely over. But its no real biggy you have muscle memory and you can still look pretty good going "light". Im personally 6'"0 190# and around 9% (abs/very vascular). Im not at my competative weight or bf but still look very good all things considered.

Good luck!!

 

[TONY83]

Deka good for healing=BS(I speak from my experience!!)

 

[mr.sagat]

To use deca as a healer and GH as well.. You either need to not work out or work out light, real light.. Otherwise your masking the pain and when you come off deca and GH, it gets much worst..

Best joint tendon healer combo:
Deca
GH
IGF
Test
No lifting....

Take drugs like Deca and Anavar to increase collagen synthesis, so that your tendons will heal at an accelerated rate. Testosterone (And most steroids) will decrease collagen synthesis, so if you do have to take it, take only enough to not get deca dick or still have some libido.


Gamer2Be08 is wrong about the testosterone and the lifting part. Moderate-high dosage Testosterone is not your friend if you are looking for help with tendons. Also you need to exercise the body part that has the problem, but not in a bodybuilding manner, exercise it like a physical therapist would. You need to stretch the affected parts, and do some MINIMAL weight when it is appropriate, to keep up circulation and blood flow to the affected area.
I'm an armwrestler (Tendonitis is normal to me) and I can say that from experience, taking Anavar and doing some recommended PT exercises (My sister is a PT has made a HUGE difference to my problems...