Health care bill passed, say goodbye to your doctor!

[kx250rider]

Although there's still hope that this insanity will meet it's end when the house & senate get together, it's looking bad for now that it could become law.

Just a few thoughts here:

Insurance companies are barely making money now, and they will all leave town if this bill becomes law. Remember when they passed a law that all homeowners insurance companies had to sell earthquake insurance in California? They all packed up & quit selling homeowner policies immediately. So the state was forced to repeal that law, and created state socialized quake coverage to stack onto a regular homeowner policy. (CA Earthquake Authority). That coverage is totally useless, and I don't have it. The same exact thing will happen with medical insurance in the USA. Obama says the private insurance industry will remain, but it won't when it can't make a living anymore. Then the government will step in, and establish a public socialized plan, which will be the end of medical advancements in the USA.

For anyone who thinks that paying a small co-pay is helping you, you're sadly mistaken. Insurance policies are reactive; not proactive. Meaning, they will not pay for you to go get a REAL physical, or to investigate an ache or pain, unless your symptom falls under a written guideline in the policy. So often, things like cancer will go so far as to be hopelessly incurable by the time the symptoms get so bad that your doctor is allowed to test for it. The only thing the Obamacare bill is good for, is the prenatal care and birthing of illegal immigrant babies.

Forcing employers to pay for health care for workers is going to cause firings, layoffs and bankruptcies nationwide. It will drive good doctors to retire or quit, as they aren't going to want to be puppets of the insurance companies, if they're GOOD doctors. And if this crap goes as far as it has in Canada, you will be on a 6-month waiting list for emergency surgery, and you'll die before your turn ever comes up.

Now I've said all the doom & gloom, and here's the real answer that the Left will NEVER NEVER admit to; STOP THE DAMN FAKE LAWSUITS that are causing the cost of medicine to soar in the USA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If your doctor didn't have to pay $250,000 a year in malpractice insurance, he/she'd be able to see you for $25, and you'd get open heart surgery for $500. No insurance or government nannyism needed. Just keep $1000 in a special savings account, and you're fine. But sadly, the truth can't be told, and the real solution to mecical costs can't happen, since most of the lawmakers and our President are lawyers themselves.

Charles

 

[mrplunkey]

It's going to be a huge mess.

You can't bring-in a bunch of previously denied people and add coverage for more pre-existing conditions and offset the cost by making a few additional people buy health insurance. The numbers just don't add up. Higher rates are coming.

There are so many clever ways to drive costs down and it's uncanny how congress has managed to avoid all of them.

 

[EnderJE]

There are so many clever ways to drive costs down and it's uncanny how congress has managed to avoid all of them.

It reminds me what I used to say about my politicians.

"Are you even trying?!?!"

 

[mrplunkey]

It reminds me what I used to say about my politicians.

"Are you even trying?!?!"

We've split the payer (gubment) from the consumer (patient) from the provider (doctor) from the purchaser (hospital) -- and then we expect the system to work.

It's crazy. We could save tens of billions per year (or more) simply by giving the hospital a lump sum and use a portion of that money to contract (or outright hire) the physician. Add-in a token copay (i.e. 2%) on services starting with the first $1 and you'd strip additional tens of billions (or more) in cost.

 

[binö]

in america every man and woman will own a benz and a mansion!
that's how i read this bill.

 

[kx250rider]

What amazes me, is that not only here, but other forums where I hang out, there's NOBODY who thinks this bill is a good one. Some people say there are 1 or 2 good points, but I have yet to hear of anyone who gives it full blessings. If this is true, who the hell do the House and Congress think they're representing????!!!!!!

In most political debates, from religion in government to abortion to immigration, there's always a basic 50/50 split between people who are for and against. This one's a different animal!

Charles

 

[binö]

What amazes me, is that not only here, but other forums where I hang out, there's NOBODY who thinks this bill is a good one. Some people say there are 1 or 2 good points, but I have yet to hear of anyone who gives it full blessings. If this is true, who the hell do the House and Congress think they're representing????!!!!!!

In most political debates, from religion in government to abortion to immigration, there's always a basic 50/50 split between people who are for and against. This one's a different animal!

Charles

meh, i think if you expanded your polling group you'd see more support.

 

[DJ_UFO]

What amazes me, is that not only here, but other forums where I hang out, there's NOBODY who thinks this bill is a good one. Some people say there are 1 or 2 good points, but I have yet to hear of anyone who gives it full blessings. If this is true, who the hell do the House and Congress think they're representing????!!!!!!

In most political debates, from religion in government to abortion to immigration, there's always a basic 50/50 split between people who are for and against. This one's a different animal!

Charles

They are not representing anybody anymore. One thing is their campaign, plus mind control, and a totally different agenda is when they are in power. We are one step closer to the new order. But try to wake up the people. Good luck. lol

 

[mrplunkey]

meh, i think if you expanded your polling group you'd see more support.

I'd genuinely like to see someone explain how this bill is going to reduce health care costs. That's what suprises me -- premiums have to increase.

 

[EnderJE]

I'd genuinely like to see someone explain how this bill is going to reduce health care costs. That's what suprises me -- premiums have to increase.

I can. It's call magic!

 

[redsamurai]

Or we could hit the food industry with a bow shot and let them know that their days of poisoning the populace is over. Ever thought of that? Nope, bet you didn't cause you're wealthy and can buy real food. Climb down from your tower and you "might" start to get a grasp of what's going on in this country and why our health care costs are as high as they are. Here's some good reading to get you off on the right foot.

Let me google that for you

We've split the payer (gubment) from the consumer (patient) from the provider (doctor) from the purchaser (hospital) -- and then we expect the system to work.

It's crazy. We could save tens of billions per year (or more) simply by giving the hospital a lump sum and use a portion of that money to contract (or outright hire) the physician. Add-in a token copay (i.e. 2%) on services starting with the first $1 and you'd strip additional tens of billions (or more) in cost.

 

[redsamurai]

Let me google that for you

 

[mrplunkey]

Or we could hit the food industry with a bow shot and let them know that their days of poisoning the populace is over. Ever thought of that? Nope, bet you didn't cause you're wealthy and can buy real food. Climb down from your tower and you "might" start to get a grasp of what's going on in this country and why our health care costs are as high as they are. Here's some good reading to get you off on the right foot.

Let me google that for you

If this is about Americans stuffing too many twinkies and pork rinds into their mouths then yes, we've got a huge problem. But I don't see what being rich has to do with having to put-down the ho ho. It's typical American thinking though -- blame the maker of the twinkie instead of the guy who just ate 12 of them in one sitting.

Now if this is about the organic food scam, I completely support that. Organic food is a voluntary tax on anti-big business people and conspiracy theorists, which can only be a good thing. I support lotteries as well.

 

[redsamurai]

blame the maker of the twinkie

yes, absolutely!! At some point we have to. You know there's something ironic here. You don't want marijuana to be legal because of some roundabout logic that you'll eventually have to foot the bill for that persons unproductivity or blah blah blah. Yet you're ok with processed foods being legal despite the fact that their very consumption is what's driving up the health care costs in this country which has cost "YOU" personally a hell of alot more than the marijuana smoking population.........although admittedly there's probably alot of intersection between the two. S

Now if this is about the organic food scam, I completely support that. Organic food is a voluntary tax on anti-big business people and conspiracy theorists, which can only be a good thing. I support lotteries as well

can you explain to me what the "organic food scam" is? Is it that you think regular food is being labeled as "organic"? yes, that would be a scam......but is "real" organic food a scam to you? I don't understand.

 

[kx250rider]

I can. It's call magic!

It's hocus-pocus allright....

Charles

 

[mrplunkey]

yes, absolutely!! At some point we have to. You know there's something ironic here. You don't want marijuana to be legal because of some roundabout logic that you'll eventually have to foot the bill for that persons unproductivity or blah blah blah. Yet you're ok with processed foods being legal despite the fact that their very consumption is what's driving up the health care costs in this country which has cost "YOU" personally a hell of alot more than the marijuana smoking population.........although admittedly there's probably alot of intersection between the two. S

Pot combined with our ridiculous social welfare system costs us enough already. Legalizing it would just waste more money. Now if someone wants to waive their rights to all social welfare programs in exchange for the right to use any and all drugs, I'd do that deal in a heartbeat. Are you up for that? 100% surrender of food stamps, government loans, welfare, medicaid, etc. etc. -- and you get a pass to use any drug you want.

A twinkie tax is a terrible idea for a number of reasons. Besides feeding our ever-expanding nanny state, it's an unrealizable system. Who sets the twinkie tax? What gets taxed more -- one twikie or two orders of french fries? What if those fries are "all natural" (whatever the hell that means). What if they are organic too? Oh, I've got one better. What gets taxed more -- a twinkie or downing 12 all-natural egg yolks and another 32 ounces of organic orange juice? So is 5 grams of high-fructose corn syrup worse than 50 grams of fructose?

That's the problem with all these great social engineering ideas. They ignore the underlying problem of personal responsibility and instead deliver of a whole new set of perverse incentives and unintended consequences.

can you explain to me what the "organic food scam" is? Is it that you think regular food is being labeled as "organic"? yes, that would be a scam......but is "real" organic food a scam to you? I don't understand.

We've argued organic food before. Go plat and look the thread up. Besides, you should go plat anyway to support the site.

If you want to pay a premium for food you percieve to be better, have at it. Just don't complain about the price. Organic food is a voluntary tax, which I completely support.

 

[redsamurai]

Pot combined with our ridiculous social welfare system costs us enough already. Legalizing it would just waste more money. Now if someone wants to waive their rights to all social welfare programs in exchange for the right to use any and all drugs, I'd do that deal in a heartbeat. Are you up for that? 100% surrender of food stamps, government loans, welfare, medicaid, etc. etc. -- and you get a pass to use any drug you want.

I'm not buying that pot costs us anything. I think that's too difficult a statistic to even remotely begin to calculate. There's too many people in this country who are productive "BECAUSE" they smoke marijuana.......alot of fucked up people out there who wouldn't be able to leave their house without being high. I know you won't beleive this and that's because you have limited social exposure, VERY limited. You're simply regurgitating the baseless decades old arguments that were handed down to us by the previous generation. Just because people aren't willing to work 80 hours a week doesn't mean theyr'e not productive, but to the past generation that was exactly why they didnt like pot......it made people too aware of what was going on.

A twinkie tax is a terrible idea for a number of reasons.

I'm talking about simply outlawing the whole factory processes that lead to that kind of poison. But a tax doesn't sound like a bad idea either. Make it affordable only to those that can afford the inevitable health care bills that come with that indulgent lifestyle. I understand your point about where do you make the cutoff, but that doesn't seem like too terrible a problem.

That's the problem with all these great social engineering ideas. They ignore the underlying problem of personal responsibility and instead deliver of a whole new set of perverse incentives and unintended consequences.

what you're not understanding is that personal accountability is a non issue when it's all that you can afford. As a society that has to be fixed no ifs ands or buts. And with our growing population we don't have a choice. Driving down health care costs has to start with an acknowledgement that the over indulgent american paradigms have to come to an end.

 

[mrplunkey]

I'm not buying that pot costs us anything.

I'm sure you don't. Meth probably doesn't cost us anything either, since those people are probably very productive while they are buzzing. It's an impossible calculation.

I'm talking about simply outlawing the whole factory processes that lead to that kind of poison. But a tax doesn't sound like a bad idea either. Make it affordable only to those that can afford the inevitable health care bills that come with that indulgent lifestyle. I understand your point about where do you make the cutoff, but that doesn't seem like too terrible a problem.

So you get to run around declaring foods legal or illegal? That's priceless. I really don't like celery or licorace -- let's add that to the list.

what you're not understanding is that personal accountability is a non issue when it's all that you can afford. As a society that has to be fixed no ifs ands or buts. And with our growing population we don't have a choice. Driving down health care costs has to start with an acknowledgement that the over indulgent american paradigms have to come to an end.

Society has to be fixed? Oh cool! I'm ok with that as long as I get to decide which fixes to implement.

And food is plenty cheap, as long as you aren't some ninny running around looking for chickens that meditated twice a day in order to lead stress-free lives. Man up, go to Costco and buy the big-ass 24 pack of chicken breasts and move on.

And you'll never legislate overindulgance. The only fix for that is personal responsibility.

You still haven't platted up either. What's up with that?

 

[redsamurai]

So you get to run around declaring foods legal or illegal? That's priceless. I really don't like celery or licorace -- let's add that to the list.

It's not about personal likes or dislikes, it's about the impact on society that a particular food, or more aptly a particular process, has on society. I'm sure there are ways to make a twinkie that doesn't entail putting chemicals in it to give it shelf life of 100 years. I'm sure you can make a beverage that tastes like coke yet doesn't dissolve pennies.


Society has to be fixed? Oh cool! I'm ok with that as long as I get to decide which fixes to implement.


No, you don't get to decide. Bluntly stated.



And food is plenty cheap



correction, shit food is plenty cheap.





You still haven't platted up either. What's up with that?


care to explain why you care whether I'm plat or not?

 

[mrplunkey]

Quote system giving you trouble?

It's not about personal likes or dislikes, it's about the impact on society that a particular food, or more aptly a particular process, has on society. I'm sure there are ways to make a twinkie that doesn't entail putting chemicals in it to give it shelf life of 100 years. I'm sure you can make a beverage that tastes like coke yet doesn't dissolve pennies.

So you just want twinkies that rot faster and cokes that don't "dissolve pennies". See, this whole time I thought you were worried about all the high-fructose corn syrup and trans fats in junk food.

No, you don't get to decide. Bluntly stated.

But it sure can't be you either can it? As excited as I would be for you to finally get a job, I have to think you'd be way over your head.

correction, shit food is plenty cheap.

No, food is plenty cheap. It's embarassing how cheaply you can buy the basics like long grain rice, black beans, lentils, etc. etc. And meat is plenty cheap too -- just buy in bulk and freeze it. Now if you want your cow to be ran on a treadmill each day, fed conflict-free grass and listen to Mozart as part of a stress-free life, then of course it's going to be expensive. But that's your own choice to pay for all that useless, silly crap. Get off your high horse, leave the ridiculous organic foods scam store and go to Costco/Sams like everyone else.

care to explain why you care whether I'm plat or not?

Sure -- two reasons. First, it would make it easier for you to look-up all the ridiculous crap you've posted in the past. You know, the same tired, old arguments you keep losing. That would be a huge time saver for both of us.

Second, let's take a moment and empathize with this site. Think about how much money EF spends just storing your periods (as in "....") and your quotation marks (as "in" ") on its server. Doesn't it bother you to consume so many resources yet not make even a token gesture to pay for them?

 

[75th]

This is why I loves me some Obama:

1) Candidate Obama routinely promised to introduce competition in the market and said, while he favored single-payer, he didn't think that was feasible. This was the genesis of the public option. It was his middle way of introducing competition to the market place. The campaign sold the health plan largely on the back of a robust public option. OFA still champions a public option. The campaign ads all stressed the public option. It's not some idea the liberals of the party just adopted and foisted upon the guy. He used it to court the base both during the primaries and the general election. It's the reason he resorted to "floating" the idea of dropping it. You don't "float" breaking a promise you never made.

President Obama never took a public stance on the public option other than saying he'd "prefer" it. And then douchebag Rahm Emmanuel was dispatched to kill it the second the fight over it threatened to hold up or kill the bill. Emmanuel was enough of a prick to publicly unfold this strategy as the strategy they had all along in the WSJ a few weeks ago. That is, the strategy was to lock the left into support by baiting them with the public option, then turn on them and fuck them over the minute that it would be politically infeasible for them to back out of support.

2) Senator and Candidate Obama supported drug reimportation.

President Obama cut a deal with PHARMA that explicitly forbade drug reimportation, lobbied to get the drug reimportation amendment to the bill killed, and has the gall to have David Axelrod claim he still favors drug reimportation.

3) Candidate Obama mocked Senator Clinton's proposal of a private insurance mandate thusly: "This is a little like solving the homeless problem by mandating everybody buy a house. The people who haven;t bought a house havent bought one because they can't afford it."

Oh, my stars and garters! There is a fucking PRIVATE INSURANCE MANDATE in this bill.

4) Candidate Obama mocked Senator McCain for being out of touch with workers by proposing a tax on the health insurance plans they had traded away wages to maintain.

This bill taxes those plans.

5) One of the main arguments for health reform was to address the correlation between rising insurance premiums and flat wages in the US.

There is precisely jack shit in this bill that addresses that problem and taxing the insurance policies of working Americans actually makes their plight even worse. Not only do they still have flat wages in deadend jobs, but the one saving grace of that shitty job is now significantly devalued.

Basically, the one and only good thing coming out of this plan is the elimination of taking into consideration preexisting conditions when you attempt to go out and buy insurance (which you are now forced to do).

 

[brandonp005]

Socialism sucks! It has never worked. This damn government is so power hungry, they don't give a damn about ruining this GREAT nation!

 

[redsamurai]

Quote system giving you trouble?



nope, just tryin it a different way. Does it bother you? awwwww, mind doesn't adapt quick does it?





But it sure can't be you either can it? As excited as I would be for you to finally get a job, I have to think you'd be way over your head.



<sigh> Not sure what your obsession with my employment status is but I'm part of a family business. And with my investments and the money I made from my book I'm doing just fine. No I'm not worth as much as you but I don't care......you seem to think me indigent because of this fact... I bought a brand new car this year bro so I'm doin just fine alright?



No, food is plenty cheap. It's embarassing how cheaply you can buy the basics like long grain rice, black beans, lentils, etc. etc. And meat is plenty cheap too -- just buy in bulk and freeze it. Now if you want your cow to be ran on a treadmill each day, fed conflict-free grass and listen to Mozart as part of a stress-free life, then of course it's going to be expensive. But that's your own choice to pay for all that useless, silly crap. Get off your high horse, leave the ridiculous organic foods scam store and go to Costco/Sams like everyone else.



1) Don't lecture me on lentils and brown rice etc., those are my staples so I know their price.......and you can't judge how cheap food is by one or two ingredients. The food you make that has lentils and/or brown rice in it has other things too....and that's what adds up. So it's not as cheap as you think but it is not completely unaffordable, I'll grant you that.


2) Don't know where you get mozart and conflict free grass.........I'll settle for plain ole grass, that would be great. But as I'm sure you're aware, or maybe you're not and I"m giving you too much credit.........cows in this country aren't fed grass. They're not hardly allowed to eat what they are naturally compelled to because corn is cheaper. Problem is corn makes for a very unhealthy animal. Their immune systems do not develop properly and their meat is then parasite ridden at best and at worst they are uberly susceptible to major bacteria like E-coli. This is why they have to pump them full of steroids and hormones. So let's recap........the meat is not as nutritious because corn doesn't provide the animal with the same vitamins and minerals that grass does. The meat is also pumped full of toxins from ground up shit they're allowed to eat like candy, pasta factory floor leavins, little bit of concrete to fatten em up, and just a little bit of chicken manure to go along with it. And then on top of all that all the bad hormones they get pumped with to counter act their shit diet. No you can "man up", as if you know what that term means , and go buy some costco bullshit. Me, I'll just cut down my meat consumption in general and when I do, I'll eat the free range.





Sure -- two reasons. First, it would make it easier for you to look-up all the ridiculous crap you've posted in the past. You know, the same tired, old arguments you keep losing. That would be a huge time saver for both of us.

Second, let's take a moment and empathize with this site. Think about how much money EF spends just storing your periods (as in "....") and your quotation marks (as "in" ") on its server. Doesn't it bother you to consume so many resources yet not make even a token gesture to pay for them?[/QUOTE]




Hmmmmm, no...I smell your vast amount bullshit. Something else is going on, out with it.

 

[mrplunkey]

Red! Glad you signed-on today. I need your help.

I bought a steak last night and paid $10 extra for "all organic" meat. But when I ate it, I could "feel" the strife in the meat. If I farted into a jar, sealed it up and sent it to you, could you please smell it and tell me if I got ripped off?

P.S. You're still not plat. Accomplished authors working with successful family businesses should support EF.

 

[redsamurai]

Red! Glad you signed-on today. I need your help.

I bought a steak last night and paid $10 extra for "all organic" meat. But when I ate it, I could "feel" the strife in the meat. If I farted into a jar, sealed it up and sent it to you, could you please smell it and tell me if I got ripped off?


1) sure, why not.....it would be interesting to see what your farts are made of. Something tells me roses and lilac.....

2) $10 extra huh? That's funny cause where I shop australian free range is actually just a tad cheaper. If you want deals on american free range beef you'll probably have to have it shipped directly to you. I keep meaning to get around to checking on that cause I hear that there's real good deals. But since I don't eat that much meat anymore is it worth the bulk order for me......???? If you and your family eat a ton of meat it's probably something you ought to look into.


P.S. You're still not plat. Accomplished authors working with successful family businesses should support EF.



P.S Never said I was an "accomplished" author.....one book and enough money to cover my schooling for a year maybe two is pretty good, not complaining.....but I'm not calling myself "accomplished". Also didn't say my family business was successful.......yet.


P.S.S You're still copping to why you want me to plat up. Everything you do is self serving so I'm not buying the "you should support EF" crap. I'll bet there's a very good specific reason why you've got a boner for me goin plat.........hmmmmmm, I wonder.....???

 

[mrplunkey]

Redsam:

You can't wait almost a full day lke that and still expect the right kind of fart. They're back to the protein-powder sytle ones now.

I've searched high and low for a job your finally qualified to do, you like it, but you can't answer the call. Don't give-up on the whole fart-sniffer idea though. That job's got your name written all over it.

And no boner talk. Don't gay this thread up like you've done others in the past. What other threads you ask? Plat up and search for yourself. See? It's a real time-saver as well as a great way to support the site. Now plat up!

 

[redsamurai]

tell me the real reason you want me to go plat?

 

[mrplunkey]

tell me the real reason you want me to go plat?

It began when I noticed how some of your arguments are repetitive and often inconsistent. In the past, I'd always attributed it to you being stoned or drunk while online. Remember how I've done posts in the past where I've asked you if you've read your previous post?

Then I noticed how you started to re-hash the old organic food scam argument we had some weeks ago. I started to link the original thread in my response and decided to make you search yourself -- until it hit me that you probably couldn't search since you aren't plat.

Which led me to this: You wear this site out as do I -- but I pay for it. And then you do posts about how you're self-supportive (I'm plat, I can find one of those for you too), so it begs the question -- why not fork over a pittance in cash and support the site?

Bottom line: Why not support a site you use multiple times a day since you claim to have the means to do so?

 

[redsamurai]

It began when I noticed how some of your arguments are repetitive and often inconsistent. In the past, I'd always attributed it to you being stoned or drunk while online. Remember how I've done posts in the past where I've asked you if you've read your previous post?



I can do a search, why I just did one the other day. This hasn't come up in previous discussions of ours AND whether I'm plat or not doesn't interfere with "YOU" doing your own search and supposedly "pwning" me with my past statements. In fact....the fact that I"m not plat should work out for you givin your previous argument. No.....something more is going on, are you going to man up and admit to it?



Then I noticed how you started to re-hash the old organic food scam argument we had some weeks ago. I started to link the original thread in my response and decided to make you search yourself -- until it hit me that you probably couldn't search since you aren't plat.



Drug-resistant infections lurk in meat we eat - Infectious diseases- msnbc.com

you mean this ^^^^ "tired" old argument? hmmm, doesn't seem so "tired" to me. In fact, I'll be making a seperate thread about this later, you're more than welcome to join.




Which led me to this: You wear this site out as do I -- but I pay for it. And then you do posts about how you're self-supportive (I'm plat, I can find one of those for you too), so it begs the question -- why not fork over a pittance in cash and support the site?

Bottom line: Why not support a site you use multiple times a day since you claim to have the means to do so?




again, nice try with this.....but you're just not smart enough. Anyway......I claim to be doing just fine, but that doesn't mean I can spend money left and right. "right now", this just isn't money I care to spend right now. GOod for you that you're doing great, but you know full well I'm in school.

 

[mrplunkey]

again, nice try with this.....but you're just not smart enough. Anyway......I claim to be doing just fine, but that doesn't mean I can spend money left and right. "right now", this just isn't money I care to spend right now. GOod for you that you're doing great, but you know full well I'm in school.

What does smart have to do with supporting or not supporting the site?

$71.82 for 9 months = $7.98 / month

and you post daily (as do I) so:

$7.98 / 30 days per month = less than 27 cents a day

I've got news for you: Just about every hair-brained hippie libtard cause you support these days is going to cost you a lot more than 27 cents a day. Do you believe the gubment is going to deliver your organic beef, medicinal marijuana and healthcare to your doorstep all for free?

 

[redsamurai]

Do you believe the gubment is going to deliver your organic beef, medicinal marijuana and healthcare to your doorstep all for free?

Don't know what you talkin bout willis cause I can grow my 'erb nigga!

 

[mrplunkey]

Don't know what you talkin bout willis cause I can grow my 'erb nigga!

Yet can't afford $0.266 per day?

 

[redsamurai]

Yet can't afford $0.266 per day?

nigga I'm sayin I can grow my own swank

 

[mrplunkey]

nigga I'm sayin I can grow my own swank

Maybe you could offer people a toke for $0.266/hit.

 

[AztecWarrior]

Although there's still hope that this insanity will meet it's end when the house & senate get together, it's looking bad for now that it could become law.

Just a few thoughts here:

Insurance companies are barely making money now, and they will all leave town if this bill becomes law. Remember when they passed a law that all homeowners insurance companies had to sell earthquake insurance in California? They all packed up & quit selling homeowner policies immediately. So the state was forced to repeal that law, and created state socialized quake coverage to stack onto a regular homeowner policy. (CA Earthquake Authority). That coverage is totally useless, and I don't have it. The same exact thing will happen with medical insurance in the USA. Obama says the private insurance industry will remain, but it won't when it can't make a living anymore. Then the government will step in, and establish a public socialized plan, which will be the end of medical advancements in the USA.

For anyone who thinks that paying a small co-pay is helping you, you're sadly mistaken. Insurance policies are reactive; not proactive. Meaning, they will not pay for you to go get a REAL physical, or to investigate an ache or pain, unless your symptom falls under a written guideline in the policy. So often, things like cancer will go so far as to be hopelessly incurable by the time the symptoms get so bad that your doctor is allowed to test for it. The only thing the Obamacare bill is good for, is the prenatal care and birthing of illegal immigrant babies.

Forcing employers to pay for health care for workers is going to cause firings, layoffs and bankruptcies nationwide. It will drive good doctors to retire or quit, as they aren't going to want to be puppets of the insurance companies, if they're GOOD doctors. And if this crap goes as far as it has in Canada, you will be on a 6-month waiting list for emergency surgery, and you'll die before your turn ever comes up.

Now I've said all the doom & gloom, and here's the real answer that the Left will NEVER NEVER admit to; STOP THE DAMN FAKE LAWSUITS that are causing the cost of medicine to soar in the USA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If your doctor didn't have to pay $250,000 a year in malpractice insurance, he/she'd be able to see you for $25, and you'd get open heart surgery for $500. No insurance or government nannyism needed. Just keep $1000 in a special savings account, and you're fine. But sadly, the truth can't be told, and the real solution to mecical costs can't happen, since most of the lawmakers and our President are lawyers themselves.

Charles

What gives you authority to deem malpractice(some are real) lawsuits fake? I might be assuming but your views could be bias based off the knowledge you have on the medical industry. You know an awful lot, so this issue could be effecting you directly in terms of profit.

 

[mrplunkey]

What gives you authority to deem malpractice(some are real) lawsuits fake? I might be assuming but your views could be bias based off the knowledge you have on the medical industry. You know an awful lot, so this issue could be effecting you directly in terms of profit.

The good news is you wouldn't have to decide what's fake and what's real. You could get massive cost improvements by doing two things:

1) Cap malpractice lawsuits as long as physicians follow the published, accepted guidelines of their professional societies. There are some really good guidelines out there, but physicians go above and beyond due to the need for defensive medicine.

2) Losers should pay the court costs and attories fees in all torts (not just malpractice). No one should ever be able to force someone else to settle just because it would cost less than fighting it in court.

 

[AztecWarrior]

The good news is you wouldn't have to decide what's fake and what's real. You could get massive cost improvements by doing two things:

1) Cap malpractice lawsuits as long as physicians follow the published, accepted guidelines of their professional societies. There are some really good guidelines out there, but physicians go above and beyond due to the need for defensive medicine.

2) Losers should pay the court costs and attories fees in all torts (not just malpractice). No one should ever be able to force someone else to settle just because it would cost less than fighting it in court.

Just wondering, what's your backround relating to the medical field?

 

[mrplunkey]

Just wondering, what's your backround relating to the medical field?

Parents started in medical supplies around the time I was born.

Family medical business started when I was 4 (38 years ago)

I've worked for a combination of the family business, for myself and for General Electric since 1992. It's been a broad range of functions: Engineering, marketing, mergers and acquisitions, etc. etc. I've been on the commercial side, but I've also worked in policy, standards, patient safety, etc. etc. The products have ranged from surgical accessories, orthopedic softgoods, patient monitoring equipment, wound care, plastic commodities, etc. etc.

I entered the academic side of medicine in 1996 as well, but that would be a very long read.

So technically I would be on the commercial and academic side of health care.