universal healthcare % to die if you have cancer

[SpyWizard]

In the USA if you get prostate cancer you have a 10% chance of dieing, if you have health insurance or if you have the welfare health insurance..

If you live in the UK where there is Universal healthcare owned funded and directed by the government there, you have a 604% higher chance of dieing, in Norway (didn't someone say we should go the way of norway a few days ago??) you have a 457% more chance to die from treatment or lack of treatment for just Prostate cancer.. wow.

us 10%
Uk 604%
norway 457%

On another note, at least it will be change, and the people that mostly get prostate cancer are the elderly.. 54yr olds and up..

At least it's change right??

Now, i'm not so naive as to not catch the real #'s.. in the usa it is 10% chance.. uk 604% more chance than the usa.. that's still a very large and disturbing increase or failure to cure and prevent death from this 1 disease.

 

[mrplunkey]

Drugs and medical devices can be made or broken over tiny margins. The entire multi-billion Vioxx meltdown was over differentials in the low single-digits.

When you compare US cancer survival rates to rates in socialized systems, they are easily 10x to 100x what it would take to completely wipe out any medical company.

 

[musclemom]

What do y'all think about the fact that the AARP supports universal healthcare?

 

[JumpBallWinner]

I'm a little confused by how these percentages are possible. US, 10% chance to me would mean that for every 10 people who get prostate cancer, 1 will die. How can you have 604%? Does that mean that for every 1 person who gets prostate cancer, around 6 people die in the UK? That would mean that everyone who gets prostate cancer dies from it, and 5 people who don't have prostate cancer also die from prostate cancer with them.

I'm conservative and not for universal healthcare, but I'm just trying to figure out how it's possible for there to be anything more than a 100% chance for death from anything. I mean, you can't have a 604% chace for rain in the forecast

 

[mrplunkey]

What do y'all think about the fact that the AARP supports universal healthcare?

AARP sells a lot of supplemental insurance that covers gaps in medicare. As they pair-back medicare, supplemental plans can pick-up the pieces.

I also think AARP is trying to stay in the political process by supporting at least pieces of the bill. Supporting something early-on often positions you for a legislative hand-out as a bill is getting finalized.

 

[mrplunkey]

I'm a little confused by how these percentages are possible. US, 10% chance to me would mean that for every 10 people who get prostate cancer, 1 will die. How can you have 604%? Does that mean that for every 1 person who gets prostate cancer, around 6 people die in the UK? That would mean that everyone who gets prostate cancer dies from it, and 5 people who don't have prostate cancer also die from prostate cancer with them.

I'm conservative and not for universal healthcare, but I'm just trying to figure out how it's possible for there to be anything more than a 100% chance for death from anything. I mean, you can't have a 604% chace for rain in the forecast

Think of it this way. Let's say one in 400 men will die of prostate cancer. Now if those men smoke, the number increases to five in four hundred. That means smoking elevated your risk by 400% from a base mortality rate of 0.25% to 1.25%.

In the medical world, elevated risks as low as 5% can have huge legal ramifications. So the comparisons of US to socialized cancer survival rates being in the hundreds of percentage points are like the differentials you'd see from smokers, hardcore indoor tanners or chronic alcoholics -- these are huge, medically-relevant differences.

 

[musclemom]

AARP sells a lot of supplemental insurance that covers gaps in medicare. As they pair-back medicare, supplemental plans can pick-up the pieces.

I also think AARP is trying to stay in the political process by supporting at least pieces of the bill. Supporting something early-on often positions you for a legislative hand-out as a bill is getting finalized.

My husband has been a member since I don't know when (well, close to five years I guess since he's 55). They put out a magazine every 6 months, the last few months have been addressing people's concerns. Medicare's donut hole with prescription coverage is creating enormous problems for people on tightly fixed incomes.

I don't know the answer, you know I'm in favor of this and think it should have been done 50+ years ago, just FYI'ing y'all that one of the few private "powerful" lobby groups (the seniors) are sort of in favor of this.

 

[HAYEZ]

im all for healthcare!!!! im to poor to afford it..make to much to be assited by government..so my prostate cancer survival rate is 0%

ive been in the hosptial er twice this month because i dont have insurance... 1200 er bill for a few x rays and a couple scripts

fuck my credit it seems

 

[bakemeacookie]

These numbers conhfuse me. Like it's a chick or something. If this is true, then an American doctor can go to norway and make millions.

c

 

[mrplunkey]

My husband has been a member since I don't know when (well, close to five years I guess since he's 55). They put out a magazine every 6 months, the last few months have been addressing people's concerns. Medicare's donut hole with prescription coverage is creating enormous problems for people on tightly fixed incomes.

I don't know the answer, you know I'm in favor of this and think it should have been done 50+ years ago, just FYI'ing y'all that one of the few private "powerful" lobby groups (the seniors) are sort of in favor of this.

The AARP organization is for it, but I don't think nationalized health care is polling too well among seniors.

The prescription drug doughnut hole was plugged by Bush with money we simply didn't have. Now this latest plan relies on $500B in medicare cuts when we've never even successfully controlled the growth of the program -- let alone cut it. Medicare has exceeded its original projected cost by over ten times, so do we really think it's going to ever get cut?

Even the medicare auditors (in their 2009 annual report) said the current system (without Barry's add-ons) will go insolvent in 2017.

People just don't appreciate the mess we're in. Over 40% of our total government spending is linked to entitlements that have cost of living or other indexed adjustments linked to them. Another huge chunk of our spending is interest -- half of which is financed on debt of three years or less. Bascially we're wired to financially explode relatively soon (well within your and my lifetime). But the real bummer is that if we do explode and devalue at some horrendous amount (i.e. 10 to 1), the COLA's and higher interest rates will catch-up with us so quickly that we'll just sink right back into the mess.