My new OTC cycle...

[Powerlifting57]

Im done takin AAS so im going to do an OTC cycle in october...Since all of needtos peroducts are going way side im getting it together now. I am thinking of doing diesle, beast and epi-strong along with maybe 1-t or derma. I would really love to run test with this but im not.

Here is what im thinking,

wks 1-5
Epi@ 45/45/45/30/30
DB @ 80/80/80/80/40

wks 5-10
BD 30/40/40/30/20

How does this look? I know it might be a little on the high side i may decrease the MG`s.

Which one should i add 1-t or derma??? Dermatherm target also maybe in the mix because of my stubborn fat on my lower abdomen.

 

[needtogetaas]

Im done takin AAS so im going to do an OTC cycle in october...Since all of needtos peroducts are going way side im getting it together now. I am thinking of doing diesle, beast and epi-strong along with maybe 1-t or derma. I would really love to run test with this but im not.

Here is what im thinking,

wks 1-5
Epi@ 45/45/45/30/30
DB @ 80/80/80/80/40

wks 5-10
BD 30/40/40/30/20

How does this look? I know it might be a little on the high side i may decrease the MG`s.

Which one should i add 1-t or derma??? Dermatherm target also maybe in the mix because of my stubborn fat on my lower abdomen.

I would use the dermacrin as a 4 week bridge between the first and second run.

 

[Powerlifting57]

Any way i could run it as a bridge and with the BD? The compound in BD makes me lethargic as hell.

 

[SouthernLord]

Im done takin AAS so im going to do an OTC cycle in october...Since all of needtos peroducts are going way side im getting it together now. I am thinking of doing diesle, beast and epi-strong along with maybe 1-t or derma. I would really love to run test with this but im not.

Here is what im thinking,

wks 1-5
Epi@ 45/45/45/30/30
DB @ 80/80/80/80/40

wks 5-10
BD 30/40/40/30/20

How does this look? I know it might be a little on the high side i may decrease the MG`s.

Which one should i add 1-t or derma??? Dermatherm target also maybe in the mix because of my stubborn fat on my lower abdomen.

DB@80? AS in Dieselbolan at 80mg a day? Diesel is 15mg PP and 25mg EM how is it possible to dose it at 80mg. Either way that is an insane dose lol. I would not run it over 45mg ed. 60 would be pushing it, but I am under the impression you are an AAS vet, so you know your body better than I do.

As far as the lethargy is concerned with Beast, you need to up your complex carbs when running it. This is the only thing that will help with the lethargy with the exception of heavy stims. Heavy stims and Beast = super high blood pressure so I would avoid that. Proper cycle support supps will help somewhat too. AI's Cycle Support is what I would use along with Forged Liver.

Here is the cycle I am planing for a month from now.

Cycle
Diesel 45/45/30/30
Beast 00/00/20/20/30/30

Support Supps
AI Cycle support two serving ED throughout cycle and PCT
Forged Liver ED throughout cycle and PCT
15g Fish Oil daily throughout cycle and PCT
Skeletal Balm
Osteo Bi Flex

PCT
Nolva 20/20/10/10
Clomid 50/50/25/25
Forged 00/00/04/04/04/04

I know, I know.....Clomid and Nolva suck

I would consider the above cycle "Advanced" as far as DS cycles are concerned.

 

[needtogetaas]

good shit SL bro.

 

[Powerlifting57]

DB@80? AS in Dieselbolan at 80mg a day? Diesel is 15mg PP and 25mg EM how is it possible to dose it at 80mg. Either way that is an insane dose lol. I would not run it over 45mg ed. 60 would be pushing it, but I am under the impression you are an AAS vet, so you know your body better than I do.

As far as the lethargy is concerned with Beast, you need to up your complex carbs when running it. This is the only thing that will help with the lethargy with the exception of heavy stims. Heavy stims and Beast = super high blood pressure so I would avoid that. Proper cycle support supps will help somewhat too. AI's Cycle Support is what I would use along with Forged Liver.

Here is the cycle I am planing for a month from now.

Cycle
Diesel 45/45/30/30
Beast 00/00/20/20/30/30

Support Supps
AI Cycle support two serving ED throughout cycle and PCT
Forged Liver ED throughout cycle and PCT
15g Fish Oil daily throughout cycle and PCT
Skeletal Balm
Osteo Bi Flex



PCT
Nolva 20/20/10/10
Clomid 50/50/25/25
Forged 00/00/04/04/04/04

I know, I know.....Clomid and Nolva suck

I would consider the above cycle "Advanced" as far as DS cycles are concerned.

DB is 25 mg and 15mg so thats 40mg it would be 2 doses of each. I dont view that as a high dose. I know my cycle is a little over the top but for some reason thats what it takes for me to see results from OTC products.

I know you are supposed to eat alot of carbs on BD. Most of the time when i use it, its as a recomp. It pulls fat/water off me like you wouldnt believe. I have always used it while taking low carbs.


Like i said i may modify it during cycle. I just know in the past when i used m-drol, p-plex and methyl-e it was at retarted high doses. Now the purity factor of needto`s products may allow me to lower the mg.

PS: Thanks for the info bro, since this is for bulking i hope to not have the issues i have with the Beastdrol compound. BTW i will be taking ALOT of supports with this cycle along with high cals. I will also take needto`s advice and use dermacrine as a bridge. My PCT will consist of the same PCT i would do as if i was using AAS.

 

[SouthernLord]

DB is 25 mg and 15mg so thats 40mg it would be 2 doses of each. I dont view that as a high dose. I know my cycle is a little over the top but for some reason thats what it takes for me to see results from OTC products.

I know you are supposed to eat alot of carbs on BD. Most of the time when i use it, its as a recomp. It pulls fat/water off me like you wouldnt believe. I have always used it while taking low carbs.


Like i said i may modify it during cycle. I just know in the past when i used m-drol, p-plex and methyl-e it was at retarted high doses. Now the purity factor of needto`s products may allow me to lower the mg.

I understand your fuzzy math

Try Derma with the BD. When I used Derma with Epi it was night and day as far as lethargy is concerned. I did not even think of derma until I re-read your post.

Keep us posted when you start the cycle.

 

[Powerlifting57]

I understand your fuzzy math

Try Derma with the BD. When I used Derma with Epi it was night and day as far as lethargy is concerned. I did not even think of derma until I re-read your post.

Keep us posted when you start the cycle.

I will keep you and needto posted when i start. I dont think anyone has used his products at these doses, so it will be interesting to see the outcome.

My cals will be around 6500-8000. The 8000 will be on cheat days most likely. The majority of the cals will be in the morning. I will cut carbs around 6pm to keep some of the fat off.

Needtosleep will also be in order as well.