1st Cycle - Anavar Only - Help Appreciated

[phonefool]

Background: 29 (30 in a couple months) 5 ' 10" , 210 lbs, been lifting since 2003, and looking for that extra boost. Several dudes I workout with on all different gear, gh even got a couple buddies on the ph's, have considered it all but always backed away due to the sides. I always said if i try something it will be Var and I have researched it heavily and believe I am ready. I am not looking for mass or even crazy strength...just a boost that will be easy to maintain after, so it is a weak cycle - I am not looking to up the dose below, just want advice on support and pct I have planned out.

Also, the Var i picked up from a trusted local is liquid - 30ml at 20mg/ml. Although trusted in the gym - I am trying to be prepared for possibility of it being fake (winstrol maybe). Let me know what you guys think.

week 1 - 10mg ed (see how my body reacts, might up to 20)
week 2 - 20mg ed
week 3 - 20mg ed
week 4 - 30mg ed

PCT -
Toremifene 100 / 75 / 50 / 25
Reversitol by iforce (will follow as directed on bottle)

on cycle: All vitamin shoppe branded:
For Liver:
Liver Support w/Milk Thistle
NAC

For Lipids:
Flax Oil (3g daily enough?)
Policosanal

For Blood Pressure
Hawthrone Berries Extract (1.8% vitexin)

I did not grab any Saw Palmetto, do not usually see it recommended for Var- any advice on that? Also i hear libido can drop (hope not on my weak cycle) but the amount of tribulus/aveena sativa recommended too expensive, and not interested in proviron or test shots (defeats the purpose of low side cycle). If libido gets bad thought about grabbing a bottle of Vitrix or T-bomb2, not sure if its worthless or will help - open to suggestions.

Let me know what you all think...and in the even the anavar is faked (although i doubt it) anything else i should consider?

Also i understand its best to split the Var dose and take it after I eat for best results? Agreed? How bout the Torem? Do i need to split it? ALso best after meal?

By the way i have been taking creatine, NO 2 , several different PWOs - and plan to stop all those while on cycle above. Better for blood pressure and also to confirm results if i am not mistaken?


Thanks.

 

[elmarcouk]

Dont stop the creatine! It acts as a synergist to the Anavar, therfore increasing gains. Definitely stop the NO2 products though, the pump on the Var is insane enough as it is!

 

[phonefool]

will do - thank you - everything else looking good tho?

 

[sweed]

doses are very low. keep a constant dose. 40 mgs ed for 4 weeks.
Looks like you have not been around here that long, but we always suggest test as a first cycle, but we will help those that are serious. Research is key and that's good that you have done that.

a few ?'s --- what is toremifene?? we have some sponsors here that have some better natural products that are great for pct. search sustain alpha, test recovery stack from pp (premordial performance) (sponsor)
also some other stuff to help are Unleashed and Post Cycle.

Again, Welcome!!

 

[-SD-]

what is Hawthorne Berries Extract?

 

[elmarcouk]

what is Hawthorne Berries Extract?

Its an anti oxidant fruit. Quoted from another website

Hawthorne Berry is widely used as a heart tonic, particularly in Europe. It can be used to help regulate blood pressure
and break down cholesterol and fat that may contribute to heart disease.

 

[-SD-]

Its an anti oxidant fruit. Quoted from another website

damn, i need to use that regardless of whatever else im taking, sounds like good stuff

 

[Lambruh]

anavar by itself will shut down your natural test production rapidly

Short-Term Oxandrolone Administration Stimulates Net Muscle Protein Synthesis in Young Men -- Sheffield-Moore et al. 84 (8): 2705 -- Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism

This study shows decrease in testosterone levels of 37% after only 5 days of 15mg oxandrolone ED in healthy males. Scroll down to figure 3.
http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/vol84/issue8/images/medium/eg0895923003.gif

proviron doesn't have any sides other than grabbing free bound test, libido, some hardness and AI benefits (but without any testosterone in your system that's useless)

i've ran var/winny all bunch of different compounds by themselves, they do work in getting you hard/strength up but it took me awhile to bounce my test production back and I do notice the sides from not having any testosterone.

take Var twice ED (wake/night) it's 9 hour acting


If chosen that's your first cycle, then it is what it is. My opinion you're not running it long enough or at a high enough dose to feel any results. You'll get some minor pumps and hardess near week 2-3 then about 48 hours after your last dose your hardness and the feeling depletes. Then week 4-5 your hormones are going to be trying to recover from having making zero testosterone, which may lead to sides. In the end you're going to be upset that you really didn't gain much from it and the meantime your natural hormones and andro's are all tampered with.

I would highly consider at least test prop @ 125-150mgs EW, you won't get sides that low. Your body produces close to that naturally anyways

 

[phonefool]

i may continue the cycle for a second month (running 8 weeks total) if i like how the first 4 weeks are working out...as far as proviron goes, i have heard of hairloss as a side.....and i know test prop is often recommended , but even at a low dose i hear those who are gyno prone can get a flare up from prop? note excited to lose my libido but should come back easy with proper PCT no?

as far as when my cycle is over....you mention hormones and andro's all tampered and having zero testosterone.....did you see my PCT listed above? wont the Toremifene Citrate (SERM) stacked with Reversitol (AI) help get me back in check quickly? whether i run a 4 week or 8 week i thought this PCT would be adequate?

 

[micksnowdog]

i considered this for a first cycle also, now my opinion is why bother??? seriously if you wanna juice get on something that you're gonna see some good results from. needto advised me of a different first cycle that blew my mind. if you join needto's underground he will sort out diet, training, pct, juice and where to get it and guide you through the whole process start to finish.