UAW got their wish

[goin on 4T]

coerce \kō-ˈərs\
Function:
transitive verb
Inflected Form(s):
co·erced; co·erc·ing
Etymology:
Middle English cohercen, from Anglo-French *cohercer Latin coercēre, from co- + arcēre to shut up, enclose — more at ark
Date:
15th century

1 : to restrain or dominate by force <religion in the past has tried to coerce the irreligious — W. R. Inge>

2 : to compel to an act or choice <was coerced into agreeing>

3 : to achieve by force or threat <coerce compliance>

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Going to someone who doesn't want to sign a card and telling them that they are "doing you wrong" if they don't sign it because they would be denying you your "right to an election" is clearly coercion. That's union tactic 101 -- it's like telling a girl you're going to just "put the tip in" and "we can stop anytime you want." And I like that analogy, because in both cases the recipient is gonna get fucked!

Easy Plunky I just got up about 30 min still haveing my first cup of coffee and my head is still sore from the swolen blood cells trying to find there way through the small vessels in my brain. I also did not know that coersion included:
to restrain or dominate by force I thought it mearly meant to us tactical persuasion. I know they do what ever they feel they need to do to get the vote they need that is why I thought that was such a light word. So get off my a** JK

 

[mrplunkey]

Easy Plunky I just got up about 30 min still haveing my first cup of coffee and my head is still sore from the swolen blood cells trying to find there way through the small vessels in my brain. I also did not know that coersion included:
to restrain or dominate by force I thought it mearly meant to us tactical persuasion. I know they do what ever they feel they need to do to get the vote they need that is why I thought that was such a light word. So get off my a** JK

My bad... I had that extra cup of coffee this morning. I figured I needed the extra kick. Doing a follow-up lecture on EOQ calculations, Q-system and P-systems -- this stuff can get soooo boring in the blink of an eye. Just finished my charts on correlated ordering patterns and on de-trending demand data. I'd like to do one that removes seasonality but frigging Excel 2008 doesn't have an Analysis ToolPak. So it's Matlab or nothing, but unleashing Matlab on MBA students will most likely make their heads explode.

Oh, and I do really dislike unions. I fought (and won against) the Teamsters in the mid 1990's and those guys are the biggest thugs on the planet.

 

[goin on 4T]

My bad... I had that extra cup of coffee this morning. I figured I needed the extra kick. Doing a follow-up lecture on EOQ calculations, Q-system and P-systems -- this stuff can get soooo boring in the blink of an eye. Just finished my charts on correlated ordering patterns and on de-trending demand data. I'd like to do one that removes seasonality but frigging Excel 2008 doesn't have an Analysis ToolPak. So it's Matlab or nothing, but unleashing Matlab on MBA students will most likely make their heads explode.

Oh, and I do really dislike unions. I fought (and won against) the Teamsters in the mid 1990's and those guys are the biggest thugs on the planet.

No offense taken! As for the inventory calcs. Have fun on a Saturday!
And I hate unions too.. Outdated like welfare. Well maybe not the later for the next few years.

 

[chewyxrage]

Obama's platform includes support for a new law that would make secret ballot voting for unions illegal. Right now, people scared of unions will claim to support them -- especially when the high-pressure "card signing" drive hits.

Well, unions and their supporters coerce people into signing cards which just indicates they want to have an election -- and that's how their strongarm tactics work. They'll say: "Sign the card, you still get to vote however you choose." So people forced into signing cards then participate in the secret ballot and vote against the union in private. It drives unions nuts, so they want to make secret ballots illegal.

The new proposed law states that if they simply get 50% of the employees to sign cards -- a process that is ANYTHING but private, they union is automatically certified and no secret ballot voting will occur. Unions are spending $360M on this presidential election to get it passed.

Anyone doubting what I've said? Think it's some sort of "spin"? Then go here: H.R. 800 - Summary: Employee Free Choice Act of 2007 (GovTrack.us)

Or just Google: "House Resolution 800: Employee Free Choice Act of 1997". It passed the house on 3/1/2007. It stopped there because Bush pledged to veto it.

Only in America with the assistance of the media could a resolution *stopping* secret ballot elections stay out of the public eye. This is one of those things being swept under the rug until after the election.

THANKYOU! Nobody is aware of this and I hate to be one issue voter but this is it for me.....This is the most idiotic act proposed and nobody seems to even know it....The entire point of a secret ballot is to let the workers decide for themselves without scrutiny from their co-workers, this destroys that entire concept...

 

[walliwalibus]

Real easy now.... come on kiddies.....

 

[mrplunkey]

THANKYOU! Nobody is aware of this and I hate to be one issue voter but this is it for me.....This is the most idiotic act proposed and nobody seems to even know it....The entire point of a secret ballot is to let the workers decide for themselves without scrutiny from their co-workers, this destroys that entire concept...

It's incredible that anyone would support a non-secret ballot. On election day, an NLRB observer (basically a union supporter), a union observer(s) and management observer(s) are on site anyway. The opportunity for fraud is zero, as the ballot box is sealed and whisked-off by the NLRB member the moment the election is over anyway.

It's yet another example of your freedoms being taken away quietly. People will scream and bemoan the Patriot Act -- yet we can't find a single person on this board who's suffered from it. Yet this law will take away a freedom from millions of workers and no one in the mainstream media says a word...

Interesting, isn't it?

 

[SpyWizard]

what was the number??

$4600 of every new car goes to paying retirement benefits ??

Is that right??

idiots..

 

[juiceddreadlocks]

what was the number??

$4600 of every new car goes to paying retirement benefits ??

Is that right??

idiots..

:wtf: :wtf:

 

[EnderJE]

It's incredible that anyone would support a non-secret ballot. On election day, an NLRB observer (basically a union supporter), a union observer(s) and management observer(s) are on site anyway. The opportunity for fraud is zero, as the ballot box is sealed and whisked-off by the NLRB member the moment the election is over anyway.

It's yet another example of your freedoms being taken away quietly. People will scream and bemoan the Patriot Act -- yet we can't find a single person on this board who's suffered from it. Yet this law will take away a freedom from millions of workers and no one in the mainstream media says a word...

Interesting, isn't it?

You can't find a single person on this board who can prove direct damages of the patriot act or the bill that you mentioned.

However, you can find alot of opinions.

 

[mrplunkey]

You can't find a single person on this board who can prove direct damages of the patriot act or the bill that you mentioned.

However, you can find alot of opinions.

Well HR 800 hasn't passed yet. If it does pass, are you trying to say there won't be people affected by not having access to a secret ballot union election?