should galveston/houston be rebuilt??

[rnch]

ya'll seem to forget the city of new orleans did not flood because of hurricane katrina.

the city flooded the day AFTER hurricane katrina passed close to the city.

the city of new orleans flooded because of the FAILURE of the FEDERAL levies built and maintained by the United States Corps of Engineers, a FEDERAL agency.

 

[nimbus]

galveston, houston, and florida hurricanes, mid-west tornadoes, california earthquakes...these were all the result of natural disasters.

the flooding of new orleans was an UN-natural disaster, brought on by faulty levies built and maintained by the Unites States Corps of Engineers, a FEDERAL agency.


IF....


IF....

IF the FEDERALLY built and maintained levies had actually been built and maintained to the FEDERALLY PROMISED AND ASSUMED specifications; new orleans would had been high and dry in august of 2005.


tawk amongst yo'selves about FEDERAL liability here.

what would have happened if no levies were ever built?

 

[nefertiti]

if you live below sea level, and yo shit floods, sorry. If you live on the side of a mountain, and it's known to be a fire area or prone to mudslides, sorry. If you live on the coast and you have hurricane damage, sorry. YOU get insurance if you can get it, but federal dollars, oh HELL no. I don't feel like paying for stupidity OR vanity, whatever keeps you living there.

Here's the reason not to rebuild parts of NO, look at how many feet it's BELOW sea level.

Wikkipedia: New Orleans, Louisiana - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

On the other hand, a report by the American Society of Civil Engineers claims that "New Orleans is subsiding (sinking)":[29]

“ Large portions of Orleans, St. Bernard, and Jefferson parishes are currently below sea level — and continue to sink. New Orleans is built on thousands of feet of soft sand, silt, and clay. Subsidence, or settling of the ground surface, occurs naturally due to the consolidation and oxidation of organic soils (called “marsh” in New Orleans) and local groundwater pumping. In the past, flooding and deposition of sediments from the Mississippi River counterbalanced the natural subsidence, leaving southeast Louisiana at or above sea level. However, due to major flood control structures being built upstream on the Mississippi River and levees being built around New Orleans, fresh layers of sediment are not replenishing the ground lost by subsidence.[29] ”

Vertical cross-section of New Orleans, showing maximum levee height of 23 feet (7 m).A recent study by Tulane and Xavier University notes that 51% of New Orleans is at or above sea level, with the more densely populated areas generally on higher ground. The average elevation of the city is currently between one and two feet (0.5 m) below sea level, with some portions of the city as high as 16 feet (5 m) at the base of the river levee in Uptown and others as low as 10 feet (3 m) below sea level in the farthest reaches of Eastern New Orleans. [30]

Clearly, you and I maintain completely different philosophies in life when it comes to helping one another.

I also find it very arrogant to think anyone has the right to tell someone else that their home, their history, their culture, isn't worth saving.

 

[redguru]

Clearly, you and I maintain completely different philosophies in life when it comes to helping one another.

I also find it very arrogant to think anyone has the right to tell someone else that their home, their history, their culture, isn't worth saving.

Helping one another is one thing, forcing someone to help another is another. I feel all victims should be allowed one trip to the trough. If you aren't suitably insured and prepared the next time around, shame on you.

 

[Grumpy Old Man]

what would have happened if no levies were ever built?

Catfish would be living where Burbon Street was/is/might be.

Works for me? Nope, well maybe. But I think people should be livin in a place that is free from crime, poverty, bad weather, and most of all stupid people proof. I don't like mean people either.

 

[nefertiti]

Helping one another is one thing, forcing someone to help another is another. I feel all victims should be allowed one trip to the trough. If you aren't suitably insured and prepared the next time around, shame on you.

I agree about insurance, but a lot of the repair work being done down there is infrastructure, public space. A lot of people will never go back there, and it can't be left looking like a war zone. Not one person in the entire country was actually burdened by any federal money that went towards that. Hell, I probably contributed more than 99% of the country.

 

[txbondsman]

Clearly, you and I maintain completely different philosophies in life when it comes to helping one another.

I also find it very arrogant to think anyone has the right to tell someone else that their home, their history, their culture, isn't worth saving.

Oh Idk, I'm presently on 3 different service related organizations that help poor, I have for years raised money for several charities, the Shriners Camp for Crippled Children, Shriners Burn Center, and others. I take in broken bikes, mostly from Wal-mart and fix them for the needy kids at X-mas time. Last year we fixed about 35 bikes, tricycles, and other toys. I'm almost 50 so that's about 30 years worth of charitable work.

Why is it "arrogant" not to want to keep rebuilding somebodies house because they want to be living in Malabu or some other Cali area that burns or slides down the mountain just so they can say they live in the hollywood hills? I think THAT's arrogant. It's just plain assanine to live below sea level and think that the government should keep building and re-building, for what? It's below sea level for Christ's sake! IT'S GONNA FLOOD! AGAIN!!It looks like they would get tired of losing their shit to flooding, I would. I'd WANT to leave. But if they don't want to, well, that's their fault. Arrogant? I guess so.

 

[rnch]

i don't recall reading anything about people living on land built on the below sea level, tidal flood plane of land AKA Washington, D. C. leaving.........

 

[Grumpy Old Man]

Oh Idk, I'm presently on 3 different service related organizations that help poor, I have for years raised money for several charities, the Shriners Camp for Crippled Children, Shriners Burn Center, and others. I take in broken bikes, mostly from Wal-mart and fix them for the needy kids at X-mas time. Last year we fixed about 35 bikes, tricycles, and other toys. I'm almost 50 so that's about 30 years worth of charitable work.

Why is it "arrogant" not to want to keep rebuilding somebodies house because they want to be living in Malabu or some other Cali area that burns or slides down the mountain just so they can say they live in the hollywood hills? I think THAT's arrogant. It's just plain assanine to live below sea level and think that the government should keep building and re-building, for what? It's below sea level for Christ's sake! IT'S GONNA FLOOD! AGAIN!!It looks like they would get tired of losing their shit to flooding, I would. I'd WANT to leave. But if they don't want to, well, that's their fault. Arrogant? I guess so.

I lost everything in my mobile home in the tornado, I put it right back here cause I lived here the last 20 years and every year I get a new single wide!

pretty smart I think...

 

[billfred]

1) Houston nor Galveston are below sea level. Remember they put in a wall to make Galveston 15ft above sea level.

2) I seriously doubt there will be many people from Tx living in hotel rooms for six months wanting more government handouts until they can get a new house handed to them.

3) I doubt there will be much federal help at all with this one. Texas has it's own money so why would you ask that complete shit outfit of FEMA to get involved.

4) Texans are survivors and will move on quite quickly. In 60 days this will be cleaned up and will never make news again.